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zednik still hospitalized.

Rosey

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MONTREAL (CP) — Richard Zednik of the Montreal Canadiens, knocked unconscious by a blow to the face by Boston’s Kyle McLaren, was still in hospital Friday with a concussion and injuries to the nose and right eye.
The Slovak winger was admitted to Montreal General Hospital’s intensive care unit Thursday night after being unconscious on the ice for five minutes following an elbow from McLaren late in the game.

Zednik, still in intensive care as of Friday morning, had a CAT scan of his head, neck and facial bones. The results of those tests were expected later Friday.

Habs Outgunned, Outgooned was the banner headline in the Montreal Gazette while the front page of the Journal de Montreal tabloid read: Therrien Declares WAR. The paper called the game a “vicious and disgraceful match.”

Veteran Montreal Gazette columnist Red Fisher called it “the mother of all cheap shots.”

Zednik was taken off the ice on a stretcher. Fights ensued and an irate Montreal coach Michel Therrien threatened retaliation against the Bruins’ top players in Game 5 on Saturday in Boston.

“If they try to go after our best players, if that’s part of (Boston coach Robbie) Ftorek’s strategy, we have no choice — we’ll go after their’s,” said Therrien, red-faced with anger after the game.

When asked if his threat will only escalate the violence, Therrien said: “I don’t care. This is what they did and this is what we’re going to do.”

On Friday, the Canadiens called in some muscle from their AHL affiliate in Quebec City. Matt O’Dette, a six-foot-five, 221-pound defenceman, had 136 penalty minutes, along with seven goals and an assist, in 48 games with the Citadelles this season. He had been practising with the Habs since Monday.

Ftorek refused comment on the incident, but McLaren said he did nothing wrong.

“I felt I him hit with my shoulder and the back of my arm and that was it,” said McLaren. “It all happened so fast.

“They gave me five (minutes) and a match (penalty) and I’ll live with that. I’ve played seven years and 400 games and never received a suspension. I don’t go out on the ice trying to hurt anybody.”

One Bruins member, who didn’t want to be identified, told the Boston Globe that Zednik became a marked man early in the series for allegedly using a leg to upend several Bruins when the referees weren’t looking.

Zednik scored both Montreal goals on power plays and leads the team in scoring with eight points in four games.

The Bruins’ 5-2 victory Thursday tied the best-of-seven Eastern Conference series 2-2.

Both Therrien and Montreal enforcer Odjick compared McLaren’s hit on Zednik to the elbow thrown by Tie Domi on New Jersey defenceman Scott Niedermayer during last year’s playoffs, which resulted in an eight-game suspension for the Toronto enforcer.

“The precedent has been set — he should be suspended for eight games,” said Odjick. “It’s just like Domi last year.

“I’d like for the league to treat everybody the same. When you try to injure someone with a hit to the head, you’re suspended for the rest of the series. You can’t have different rules for different players.”

Therrien and Ftorek had a shouting match at the benches and the game ended with more fighting in the final minute. A few fans among the jeering capacity crowd of 21,273 threw beer and soda at the Bruins bench.

Zednik looked to have taunted Byron Dafoe after scoring his second goal of the game, perhaps hoping to put the Bruins goaltender off his game.

In Game 3 on Tuesday night, Dafoe allowed three third-period goals in a 5-3 comeback win for Montreal.
 

Rosey

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the bruins are insisting the hit was clean, to me it looked like about one of the dirtiest hits i've ever seen in hockey. a really nasty flying elbow.

they keep saying he should get 8 games like domi did last year, but domi got 8 games plus the remainder of the playoffs.

mclaren should get at least that.
 

Tonedeff

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how can you or anyone compare Domi's hit to Mclaren's when Zednik actually had the puck in his possession and Mclaren was cutting off his lane to the net? makes a huge difference in the dirtiness factor...
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by Tonedeff
how can you or anyone compare Domi's hit to Mclaren's when Zednik actually had the puck in his possession and Mclaren was cutting off his lane to the net? makes a huge difference in the dirtiness factor...
because nedermeyer didn't miss a game (or did he miss one?). zednik is in the hospital with a broken nose, jaw, and face and even if the habs go to the final game the best he can hope for is to be up in the stands sipping his popcorn through a straw.

a cheap shot is a cheap shot regardless of where the puck is.

i'm all for hockey violence, don't get me wrong. but nobody should attempt to injure another player.
 

poker face

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That hit was bullshit!

the two teams were at each other pretty hard just before that and that was purley a dirty hit.
 
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Tonedeff

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I think Neidermeyer missed a game but regardless the extent of the injury shouldn't really be a factor...the intent to injure is what matters and cleary Domi's hit was a more classic act of goonery considering Neidermeyer didn't have the puck and was in his own end nowhere near the play.

I agree that the hit is probably suspension worthy but if you are using Domi's hit as a benchmark Mclaren should get three games no more.

It really sucks that quality players keep ketting hurt in the playoffs, doesn't make the games any better to watch, and even though I think Zednik is a dick for taunting Dafoe after he scored and a pretty dirty player I feel sorry for him and hope he makes a full recovery.
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by Tonedeff

I agree that the hit is probably suspension worthy but if you are using Domi's hit as a benchmark Mclaren should get three games no more.
i disagree. i think the extent of the injury is very relevent to what the suspension should be. and so does the NHL, it's one of the factors they consider.

it's my personal feeling that if you goon a guy, how long you are out should be proportional to as long as he is out. geoff bukeboom got punched in the back of the head - he never played again but the goon who did it is still playing with the wild or something. that's bullshit.

my prediction: mclaren will be gone for the rest of the playoffs, if any just to try to keep the series from turning the ice red with blood.
 

Chaos

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"I think Zednik is a dick for taunting Dafoe"

What a horrific crime...A professional athlete taunting another one during a playoff game...

PFFT!!! What pussy talk.

I'm with Rosey here, situation or not, nobody should end up in the hospital, obviously, but if this was, hmmm, a targeted assassination, somebody should pay.


C.
 

SJN

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let's not forget Domi had a track record, including a suspension for another cheap shot several years earlier on Ulf Samuelsson (admittedly no saint either).
Kyle McLaren has been a very clean player throughout his career. It wasn't a clean hit - no doubt there...but it wasn't as nasty as the end result would have you believe....I've seen much worse that result in no injury at all.

Past actions shouldn't necessarily influence the punishment, but it certainly didn't help Domi.
 

TaCk OnE?

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I agree with rosey....most consiquences in life are dictated by the result, not the potential result.

granted there could have been the same result with a number of other incidents, the fact of the matter is that there was not..

I say he's out for 10, and a huge fine.

that shit is weak, and as much of a DonCherryian I may be, that much agression is just weak (no pun intended)

ez.

go LEAFS go
 
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Tonedeff

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Originally posted by Chaos
"I think Zednik is a dick for taunting Dafoe"

What a horrific crime...A professional athlete taunting another one during a playoff game...

PFFT!!! What pussy talk.

C.

Have you ever noticed how rare it is that a hockey player taunts another? Especially a goalie after scoring? Maybe it happens in basketball and football all the time but in hockey it is simply not acceptable behaviouir because there is generally a lot more respect among the players.

That's why Zednik is a dick and a pussy....you know come to think of it if I was a dick and a pussy I would never leave the house!

hahahahahhaha
 

Chris

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Maybe its me, but the play off now seem so much dirtier, and a lot more swatting with sticks and crap.

Its reasons for this the informer needs to step up and relax the rules on fighting.

anybody know anything about this. Are the penalties different now for fighting? etc.
 

-Mercury-

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As long as we're mentioning previous suspensions, let's not forget that Claude Lemieux only got a 2 game(I think) suspension for re-arranging Kris Draper's face a few years ago.

Which just goes to show the disparity between some of the suspensions that the NHL hands out.
 

AVE

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if he gets any less than 8 games, there is something severely wrong with the NHL. Domi's elbow hardly even hurt Neidermeyer(he didn't go to the hospital), and Zednik is STILL in the hospital with a broken face? Who cares how clean this guy has been in the past, he injured someone, he should be gone, 10 games

GO LEAFS!
 

Tonedeff

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Originally posted by Rosey

i disagree. i think the extent of the injury is very relevent to what the suspension should be. and so does the NHL, it's one of the factors they consider.

it's my personal feeling that if you goon a guy, how long you are out should be proportional to as long as he is out. geoff bukeboom got punched in the back of the head - he never played again but the goon who did it is still playing with the wild or something. that's bullshit.

my prediction: mclaren will be gone for the rest of the playoffs, if any just to try to keep the series from turning the ice red with blood.

okay Rosey, I concede you have some valid points here, but I think the hit looks a lot worse than the intent actually was because of the speed/size difference/postioning of the two players...

it's amazing that I can still find it in my heart to like you considering we rarely agree on anything :p
 
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AVE

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Originally posted by Tonedeff


Have you ever noticed how rare it is that a hockey player taunts another?

thats complete bullshit. It happens every shift of every game. Hockey players have respect for one another OFF the ice, not on it.
 

*SiLver*RoBoT*

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ALERT: Boston Bruins' Kyle McLaren has been suspended for at least one game after his hit on the Canadiens' Richard Zednick last night. Details to follow on SLAM!

*over*and*out*

*SiLver*RoBoT*
 

Tonedeff

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Originally posted by AVE


thats complete bullshit. It happens every shift of every game. Hockey players have respect for one another OFF the ice, not on it.

okay, maybe if you went to the Darcy Tucker school of on-ice etiquette...but blatant taunting in the NHL is nowhere near the level it is in other leagues...and if you can name another instance of a player obvisouly taunting a goalie after he scores, I will...do something pretty amazing and humiliating!
 

AVE

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Originally posted by Tonedeff


okay, maybe if you went to the Darcy Tucker school of on-ice etiquette...but blatant taunting in the NHL is nowhere near the level it is in other leagues...and if you can name another instance of a player obvisouly taunting a goalie after he scores, I will...do something pretty amazing and humiliating!

jaromir jagr with his hand salute.......OK thats not really the same thing, but there are many other instances, all the time. If i can think of more, I'll post em.......now go do something humiliating!!:p
 
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Tonedeff

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I'm doing something humiliating right now, but I'm sort of enjoying it...is that okay?

I think you can compare taunting a goalie to showing up the pitcher after homering in baseball...both are taboo behaviour in the respective sports and generally lead to somebody getting struck real hard by a fast-moving object (elbow, baseball, fist, etc)
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by Tonedeff

okay Rosey, I concede you have some valid points here, but I think the hit looks a lot worse than the intent actually was because of the speed/size difference/postioning of the two players...

and i concede that to do that amount of damage, especially in such a dramatic way was almost certainly not mclaren's intent. did you see the look on his face after zednik's head bounced off the ice? the classic oh-shit-what-did-i-do look of terror.


it's amazing that I can still find it in my heart to like you considering we rarely agree on anything :p
i can't help being so lovable. :)
besides people who agree on everything are boring, being able to argue in a (relatively) mature fashion is a good quality. ya poopy headed new yorker.

i strongly dislike the NHL's tendancy to weigh a player's reputation into suspension considerations. if somebody gets seriously injured i think that should outweigh the track record of the aggressor. conversly if a known goon makes a dirty looking hit that really only causes minor injuries then he should not receive 10 games. but i don't make the rules or pay the bills so wtf do i know?
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by Tonedeff

I think you can compare taunting a goalie to showing up the pitcher after homering in baseball...both are taboo behaviour in the respective sports and generally lead to somebody getting struck real hard by a fast-moving object (elbow, baseball, fist, etc)
i agree. taunting the goalie after a goal is just not done in hockey. it totally lacks class.

trash talking? yes, it's incessant and some of those guys are veritable artists (i'd love to hear what shayne corson spews forth when he gets going). btu not the goalie, not after a goal. it's just not done.
 

AVE

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yes, i agree that a player should never taunt a goalie, and you're right, that does rarely happen.

But as for players taunting one another......thats really what i was referring to. What about Odjick taunting P.J. Stock by lovingly rubbing his glove in Stock's face?? I thought that was hilarious:D
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by AVE
What about Odjick taunting P.J. Stock by lovingly rubbing his glove in Stock's face?? I thought that was hilarious:D
stock didn't :D

*drive drive honk, honk honk punch*
 
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