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mingster

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by deep
In order of priority (need) by the body after a workout :

1. water -> replenish spent fluids
2. carbohydrate -> ability to store carbohydrate as glycogen and not as fat is heightened post workout, metabolic state of muscles crave it, without carbohydrate body may resort to breaking down muscle tissue in order to produce glucose. water consumed earlier will help carbohydrate to be stored in muscle
3. protein : heightened rate of protein synthesis i.e. muscle repair and growth postworkout -> 18-24 hours afterwards. if carbohydrate needs have been met then it's time to consume protein. protein prior to carbohydrate consumption may result in that protein being catabolized into glucose. (gluconeogenesis)

there's so much conflicting info out there surrounding this issue. what to eat before and after your workout and when. it's difficult to know what right and what's wrong. i've heard before that you should eat protein immediately after your workout.

what do you say about the conflicting info? what's your advice on how to take it all? i'm assuming most of these "tips" are based on scientific fact, so how come they are often so different?
 
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chooch

TRIBE Member
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no car stirry.

downtown ....?

edit: yeah Ming...i'm confused on the best way do drop my keg belly....i've started the morning workout as opposed to the evening thing...but still...when do we eat what? : (
 
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poker face

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I have a place in Brantford where I still get the old school hydroxycut type of supplements. They bug you out at first. But now I am at the point that I need to cycle.
 

Chris

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Originally posted by mingster
there's so much conflicting info out there surrounding this issue. what to eat before and after your workout and when. it's difficult to know what right and what's wrong. i've heard before that you should eat protein immediately after your workout.

what do you say about the conflicting info? what's your advice on how to take it all? i'm assuming most of these "tips" are based on scientific fact, so how come they are often so different?

Before and after, pre and post right? It depends if were talking about aerobic, ie endurance performance, or resistance training will determine what you need to eat/injest pre and post workout.
 
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JAR

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Originally posted by ChrisD
Before and after, pre and post right? It depends if were talking about aerobic, ie endurance performance, or resistance training.

how about resistance, with some aerobic.
 
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Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by mingster
there's so much conflicting info out there surrounding this issue. what to eat before and after your workout and when. it's difficult to know what right and what's wrong. i've heard before that you should eat protein immediately after your workout.

Yeah... no shit.

One of the instructors at spinning class last week (who's a legit personal trainer and Ironman athlete) said that there's only an hour window to get protein in the body after a workout - whether it be cardio or muscle training - but I've also heard from other sources that the 1-hour window theory is bunk as long as you get some protein "some time" after working out.
 

chooch

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by poker face
I have a place in Brantford where I still get the old school hydroxycut type of supplements. They bug you out at first. But now I am at the point that I need to cycle.

mail me some?




:D
 

AlyG

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by stir-fry
I got mine at a likkle health food store in Eglinton Square.

vp and eglinton for the non-scarberites

Awwww, my first mall. :D (east york baby)

And please, refrain from licking the health food stores.
 

sugar

TRIBE Member
I am slowly starting to get back into exercising again.
I visited my best friend in Florida and was truly inspired by her. She has lost 30 lbs mostly by incorporating exercise into her daily routine. Now not only does she have humungous boobs that I'm very jealous of, but she has amazing legs as well!!!

I think the key is to always change it up - like other people have suggested in this thread. I tried ashtanga yoga for the first time this week, and man, was that a workout! It is very challenging for me because I have trouble following series of directions, but at least it's not as fast-paced as an aerobics class.

I think next I'll try jogging around my neighbourhood. Just need to find a partner who is also a beginner :)
 
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Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
more conflicting info...

eating a full meal 1 hour+ before workout vs. juice /simple carbs right before the workout

on the subject of when to do weights and when to do cardio though, almost everything I've read says to do weights first and cardio after (with a quick warmup before the weights of course), and that going in this order benefits both weight loss and muscle building.
 

deep

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by mingster
there's so much conflicting info out there surrounding this issue. what to eat before and after your workout and when. it's difficult to know what right and what's wrong. i've heard before that you should eat protein immediately after your workout.

what do you say about the conflicting info? what's your advice on how to take it all? i'm assuming most of these "tips" are based on scientific fact, so how come they are often so different?

Practically speaking, I'd say that what you eat beforehand really can be up to personal preference. Me personally, I train better on a somewhat empty stomach. If I do eat anything, it'll be a small amount of complex carbs (i.e. 30-40 grams worth). For fat loss purposes there is an advantage to working on a slightly empty stomach in that lower blood sugar levels means that your body has to resort to existing energy stores (i.e. glycogen in muscle or fat tissue) in order to meet energy demands.

Postworkout nutrition I think is far more important an issue because the body is biochemically primed in a lot of ways. Primed to store carbohydrate more in muscle tissue and not in fat, primed to repair and growth muscle tissue.

Regarding the conflicting advice, I think it's important to consider the source. Fitness articles are often written by people with no real credentials and very rarely with substantiated by research. Take protein intake for example. Peter Lemon's work in the field is the bottom line, he's covered just about every aspect of it, there is not much mystery left on that issue. But talk to any meathead bodybuilder and crack open any muscle magazine and the range of reccomendations varies wildly.

The research on the subject is pretty clear because training physiologists know how important the post workout meal is for different purposes. I think the facts speak from themselves on this issue with regard to the necessity of water, carbohydrate (both simple and complex), protein. New articles in the fitness industry for example do not override long standing principles of human physiology.

To elaborate :

If you eat protein directly after your workout, it won't necessarily be bad, because again your body is primed to use that protein effectively.

However, the body does follow certain metabolic preferences. For example, when it has glucose available in the bloodstream, it will tend not to use existing fat stores. From a common sense standpoint, this makes sense. There's fuel in the blood, so why bother chewing into fat stores, which the body keeps on hand to prevent death and starvation.

More common sense proof for the order of priority in the body can come from the common knowledge that you can go without food for a few weeks but will die of dehydration within a matter of days. So hydration needs take precedent over energy needs, and energy needs take precedent over muscle growth needs.

The biochemical basis for this is that protein can be broken down into glucose when the body is in desperate need (this is one of the reasons why people who are in prolonged states of starvation have their muscle tissue waste away).

The body breaks down the muscle tissue not just because it means the body now has less shit to keep alive and thus improves survival, but because the can convert amino acids to glucose when there is no glucose provided through dietary carbohydrate. Energy can thus be derived from existing muscle.

This all taken into account, if your body is seeking carbohydrates but isn't getting them after a workout, it can catabolize incoming protein for the carbohydrate it needs. Hormones like cortisol run high during and after a workout - it's one of the chief chemicals that can help facilitate this protein -> glucose process.
 

deep

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
Yeah... no shit.

One of the instructors at spinning class last week (who's a legit personal trainer and Ironman athlete) said that there's only an hour window to get protein in the body after a workout - whether it be cardio or muscle training - but I've also heard from other sources that the 1-hour window theory is bunk as long as you get some protein "some time" after working out.

Protein synthesis (muscle repair and growth) can remain elevated for nearly 24 hours after a workout (Peter Lemon's work has indicated this).
 
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JAR

TRIBE Member
deep is smart.

so based on your research, you'd suggest water, carbs, protein, in that order?

edit: post workout.
 

deep

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by JAR
deep is smart.

so based on your research, you'd suggest water, carbs, protein, in that order?

edit: post workout.

not really my research or opinion, it's more physiological fact.

Carbohydrate can't be stored in muscle unless it is bound to water.

So if your body is dehydrated (as it would be from working out), your body can't effectively store carbohydrate in muscle tissue.

So water is first concern.

Once that's met, carbohydrate is the next concern, then protein after for the reasons mentioned.

One misconception I think people have is just how much of muscle is made up of protein. The majority of the mass of muscle tissue comes actually from water, not protein. Protein comprises somewhere near 20% of a muscle's mass. The rest of the space is filled up by water and the carbohydrate (glycogen) bound to it.

Dehydrate someone with low bodyfat percentages, drive their glycogen stores down through long bouts of exercise and you'll be able to visually see how their muscles literally seem like they've "deflated".

People on ketogenic diets, for example, consume next to no carbohydrate in their diet. Consequently their glycogen stores in muscle go down, along with the water that glycogen is bound to. Their physique ends up looking much flatter and they lose a great deal of weight.

Bodybuilders prior to a show will load up on carbohydrates so as to fill up as much space as possible inside those muscles. A few practical example to illustrate how little of muscle is actually protein.
 
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chooch

TRIBE Member
yes, thanks deep.





hey...you mean to tell me there is no effie supply in toronto??

arrgh..

<rubs keg belly>
 

Poot

TRIBE Member
Chooch - you can still get it, but you have to look around.

GNC no longer carries it, however a number of health food stores do. Noah's on Bloor had it a couple months ago, but indicated that they were not getting anymore in. You could try calling them to see whether they can direct you somewhere, or maybe another location has it, or maybe they were fibbing to me & they do have it. I do recall the cashier telling me that another health food store very close to Bloor Noah's does carry it still.

Regardless, they won't keep it on the shelf. You'll have to ask them to get it from the back, in most cases.
 

chooch

TRIBE Member
*pinches Poot's bummy*

thanks doll! do i have to use a code word or something to obtain it?

see you @ beats? we gotta meet!
 

Poot

TRIBE Member
Certainly!! :D

As for code word.... no, not exactly. But some places may ask you what you will be using it for. And it's best not to walk in all sketchy as fuck and try to purchase it either. They did tell me @ Noah's that they sometimes refuse to sell it to some people (i.e. shaky & sketched)

See you on the boat!! :D:D:D
 
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