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woah..i have a dilemma now..hmm Canada..Japan.. :/

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by mystique0217, Mar 13, 2002.

  1. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    I still can not believe this.
    Ok. I came back from Japan in the end of Feb..
    I really thought about moving back there for job experience..cause the food is sooo good..i LOVE the culture soo much.. and I always thought that it will be a great opportunity for me to work there for a bit..so then i can establish my identity more..

    After my return from Japan, I decided to do the job search wherever..cause the toronto bilingual position is not really good to be honest..

    I started applying for jobs in Japan last weekend.
    Today was my third day applying some jobs..

    I heard from three people.

    The first person said: "i would like to hire you, but because of the company policy, i can only hire someone who is a current resident of Japan" :p

    The second person said: "i like your background, but we need to hire a staff immediately as we need an employee to train from next week. However, if you are planning on returning to Japan soon, please keep in touch."

    The third person said: "please tell me more about your background and the reasons why you want to work for the position".

    So I emailed him wt my honest input:
    I fucking want to work in a company where I can visibly see my hard work and positive attitude are appreciated and somehow lead to the growth of the company.

    He emailed me back and said:
    "I have three candidates that meet the requirements.
    But if you can start working by the beginning of April, we would like to hire you."

    So I was like..woahhhhh.
    I called my dad. he said: "go for it. but just ask about pay and where about in tokyo it will be..cause you need to find a home in tokyo asap."

    I decided to ask more about the job position.
    (it is a bilingual assistant/sales oriented position).
    The company seems like a good company to work for too..

    So If it pays me enuff for me to live in tokyo.
    I think it will be good for me..finally!
    but wow.

    I am still having this dilemma..
    Should i stay in North America?
    Cause I love it here..

    I really fucking do not know wht to say..

    Please share me your input.

    thanks for reading,

    -Kumi<-still in shock..
  2. madnezz

    madnezz TRIBE Member

    wow Kumi, thats a huge change!

    BUT, I think you should totally go for it. It sounds like it's something you really want to do, and it also sounds like you're not really happy here in terms of jobs.

    This sounds like the perfect opportunity to go work at home for a while- it doesn't have to be for ever!!! *S*

    I could see how this is a big dilema for you, but I think you know that there is only one choice! *S*

    If it is enough pay, then you should follow your dream!!!!!


    plus- then I can come visit you!! :p
  3. atomic

    atomic TRIBE Member

    do you mind if I ask how much time you've spent in Japan and Canada kumi?
  4. madnezz

    madnezz TRIBE Member

    Kumi grew up in Japan- and if im not mistaken, was there for about 20 years? then came here in the past 2 years... or something like that! *S*

  5. JayIsBored

    JayIsBored TRIBE Member

    i say go for it. take plato with you too please :p
  6. atomic

    atomic TRIBE Member

    thanks madnezz :)

    Kumi, my guess is you've discovered some of the wonderful things that canada has to offer, but now you're feeling confused between two prominent cultures and you're not sure where you fit in.

    maybe you should go back and try the opportunity, because it might answer some of the questions that your subconscious has, and then after awhile you can ask yourself if you miss Canada.

    if not, problem solved. if so, come on back and you'll most certainly have a warm reception from the friends you've made here.

    if you're questioning things about your life and where you should be, you should maybe check all avenues - becase then you won't have any regrets for actions not taken.
  7. nusty

    nusty TRIBE Member

    You may want to leave the word fuck out of your applications... even if it is different in Japanese. ;)

    I have a similar delema, but it doesn't require me to leave North America, just canada to go back and work in the states for the summer. I can make better money down there (and live with my parents so I don't pay room and board) but I have a 12 month lease up here and I would love to hit the OM festival and possibly wemf. I made the drive up from NJ last year 11 hours only to have to stand for another 11 hours in line waiting to get in to wemf. Pluss I had to be back in NJ to work the following Monday. That was a very rough drive back and probably not that safe either givin my amount of sleep I got that weekend. I really can't go through that again this year. The pay difference would be about 5 to 8 dollars an hour diff. It's some serious cash diff by by the end of the summer.
  8. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    I know.. like you guys can come up with tribe japan trip or something in the near future and shite ;)

    anyway, hmm. well, i have talked of this *what about us* thingy with my significant another who lives in pittsburgh before this even happened..cause i felt as though i would be moving to Japan soon this year..and we would be so far away with each other..

    we did our talk not mentioning 2 hrs and half today..and i know that we would be fine with any changes that we may face..and he may actually try to move there to Japan..

    But this still sort of scares me..like
    i would not be able to talk to him 6 cents/minute after i move there.
    i would not be able to have him giving me a surprise visit on the weekend.
    we would not be able to set up some time to see each other once in so often IF i move there.

    a flight ticket to there costs just below 1000 bucks/canadian.

    it sure will make it difficult for both of us to see each other.
    but then i know that we are good at keeping in tough with each other..

    i also think that as long as we trust each other and value our relationship, things will stay the same.. (he agreed to it tonite..so i am less upset about possible change that we may have to face).

    i also think that i should not let this relationship stop me from having great opportunities, and i am also understanding that and do know that he would be there for me to support me and our relationship..

    but this huge change sort of scares me still..

    i mean long distance relationship [toronto<--->pittsburgh] sucked.. so i am scared.

  9. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    hehe. thanks Laura.

    my history:
    born in japan...grew up there..
    left japan at the age of 16 to usa.
    stayed there for 1 yr.
    in canada since then.

    i am 24 now.
    so i spent
    16 yrs in japan
    and 8 yrs in north america.

    but in canada, the bilingual job opportunities are much lower than it is in japan and america.

    that is the facts :)
  10. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    Re: Re: woah..i have a dilemma now..hmm Canada..Japan.. :/

    hehe.. i did not say fuck in the email back to him.
    i spoke english to him.
    and even i did in japanese, there is no such a word as FUCK in Japanese language.
    We have no swear words in Japanese language.
    there are not so good words to use..but no swearing words..SO
    i pulled out my dictionary when i learned about a word such as fuck..it said: an act of sex. intercourse.. so i initially thought that people were asking other people to intercourse..that is one nasty thing to ask..therefore, it is a no no word.. LOL

    Anyway, enough of this story.
    I know i totally hear you about the pay difference.
    It pays more there too..even you convert the exchange rate afterall..

    and you know what?
    there are jobs that require you not to even speak a word in Japanese..(there are many many english speaking jobs there..)
    people may think that english teaching job is the only kind of job that some of you maybe able to take..but you would be surprised to know that there are jobs that some of you who may not even speak Japanese can take..

    You may find your good future if you actually start looking for one ;)
  11. Plato

    Plato TRIBE Member

    jib, that was unprovoked, so fuck you.

    kumi, it doesnt have to be forever, so it would maybe not be that much of a strain between you and scott.

    but is it worth all the hassle? having to move, uprooting your life, finding a suitable home, the immense cost of things, any problems with your current landlord (i know the contract issue was prevailent in your last apartment).

    but as jib suggested, needlessly, you could take me along and i can help make the transition smooth for you :)

    i can learn to roll sushi and prepare sashimi :)

    whatever you do though, do what will make you happy.

  12. echootje

    echootje TRIBE Member

    Wherever I lay my hat, that's my home :)

    Doesn't mean you can't MOVE BACK if it doesn't suit you afterall..

    go for it Kumichan!

  13. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    ok. so i got my money business info that i needed to know.
    what i had to do was to compare how much i would be making and how much i used to make with my previous job.

    I get 1000 dollar more with this job.
    I can at least actually try to start saving up money,
    this sounds like a damn good opportunity.

    The director emailed me again with more information about the job itself.

    It sounds like a job where i am *in* the business with my partner/team...in which I would love so much..
    (i used to hate working for a company that has a client..and we need to work for the client..but it was not going anywhere..even though i had the top performance in the program, the bottom line was that the client does not know me! and it was not like my position would get higher)..

    After a good sleep,
    I also have come to think that if I bring myself to Japan, I could actually work more on my dream part (to gain the network of people with pure positive motives in whatever they choose to do so..say art..or music..)

    If this job would not work out for me, I can at least find myself
    more independent than ever financially..and would have more controls in taking actions for my dreams..

    so I think i will go for it.

    STILL need to have a lot of communication with my family and my significant friend of mine though..

    still in such a huge shock.

  14. tommysmalls

    tommysmalls TRIBE Member


    ...especially considering our conversations in the past, and especially 2 days ago...this sounds absolutely wonderful!!!

    GO KUMI GO!!
  15. Cheeka

    Cheeka TRIBE Member

    Wow Kumi you must be in shock!
    That is a pretty huge unexpected opportunity for you.
    Your head must be spinning right now.

    If that is the best place for you then you should most definitely do it. You can always come back here, and bring back the experience you have gained.
    Hopefully that will put you more in line with what you really want to be doing.

    I would be lying if I didn't say you would be very missed.
    But it sounds like that is probably the best thing for you.

    Good luck sweetie :)
  16. swenard

    swenard TRIBE Member

    I've always wanted to go to Japan. Are you serious about English speaking jobs in Japan. Because I would sell my house and move there. I can count from one to ten in Japanese if that would be a qualification.:D



    Shawn<---gonna run tings in Japan!
  17. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    hehe. shawn, you are cute :)
    yes, if you are serious about the job opportunities, give me an email mystique_kumi@yahoo.com
    i will give you this mighty job link that helped me get my own job opportunity in three days..

    still in shock..
    hm. cheeka, you are so right.
    at least i can gain the experience that i would not be able to gain working in toronto..i think i should go for it.
    however since i would need to move there in 2 weeks, i need to talk to my dad about a lot of things...

    wow..it sounds like i am really moving..
    but i should not have my hopes up.
    i need to know that i would have a temp place to stay in tokyo first!!!
  18. Cheeka

    Cheeka TRIBE Member

    well that's amazing Kumi :)- omg you must be in shock!
    2 weeks isn't much time to wrap your mind around this.
    good luck finding somewhere to stay

    I think I want to pick up and work somewhere too - sooner then later.
    Australia is the most appealing option right now - but Japan would be amazing too.
    I'll be shooting you an email to get more info :)

    make sure you keep us posted with your plans!
  19. Adam Duke

    Adam Duke TRIBE Member

    hey Kumi -

    1000 bucks more what? per month? per year?
    If it's per year, heck, you're paying that for the flight alone, not to mention first & last rent and a WAY higher cost of living...it might not be worth it for that sum....just a thought.

  20. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    per month.
    i have calculated my rent, the cost of food, and the metro pass..and then i can still save 600 doller/month.
    i think it is better than no savings..

    i still need to think lots of things though..like wow..what am i gonna do with my things at my place!

    lots to take care of in such short period of time..
  21. Bean

    Bean TRIBE Member


    Hi Kumi!

    Congratulations on the wonderful news. :)

    The decision you make must utimately be the one that you are confident about and will make you truly happy.

    If you want to talk to someone who has picked up her entire life and moved away from everyone, feel free to icq me.



    .:. Share what you know, learn what you don't .:.
  22. doodlebug

    doodlebug TRIBE Member

    hello Kumi!

    Like a lot of people are saying - just because you make this move now, doesn't mean it will be forever. This seems like a great opportunity for you and if it will benefit you in many ways - why not?
    Toronto will always be here to welcome you back if you decide to return!

    Seriously though, I have this fascination with Japan and going there and seeing it and that's just the inner me saying 'do it! it's Japan!' - but you have lived there and our situations are different.

    One thing is for sure, you seem to always have good people to back you up (both in North America and in Japan) - so go with your instincts!!!

    All the best of luck to you, and you can bet I will be e-mailing you to ask you all sorts of questions about your country while you are there if you do decide to go on this adventure!

    natalie :D
  23. mingster

    mingster TRIBE Member

    Do it Kumi! Do it!
    You know you want to! ;)
  24. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Kumi, take the road less travelled, just make sue they don't bind you in a contract in case it sucks and you want to leave.
  25. mystique0217

    mystique0217 TRIBE Member

    yes, OTIS, i totally agree with your philosophy.
    my life is only one time thing.
    the good thing is that the boss will give me 2 months period of trial session.
    if i pass, we will sign the yearly contract.
    if i do not like it, then i can always leave..
    at least i would find myself independent in japan,
    and it will allow me to get more base with all these people that i made the connections with in the music scene, it will surely help my dream to come easier..


    all i need now is some discussion with my parents and my significant friend of mine..and sort things out as to what i am gonna do for my place in toronto..

    will see :D

    thank you all of your for the great support :)
    all of your input were truly appreciated.


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