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What's Missing People...?

GrooveGirl

New Member
I would be intrigued to know what people contribute the crappy attendance factor to? I mean I see some great parties being posted, with reviews such as, "wicked vibe", "amazing music", "funky people" but LAME TURNOUT!

In my opinion there is one HUGE factor involved - Lack of decent publications to HYPE any culture whatsoever! UK, Australia, and other European countries have loads of publications that hype everything (whether it should be or not) and it is the main drawer for people to check out new music, dj's, scenes etc... Ok, so Canada sucks on that end (for now) but there must be other reasons behind promoters losing their shirts trying to give their people a culture... and people saying, "fuck it!"

Breaks cannot be separated by being labelized - Breaks is ONE! I would have to say Canada is the only one separating (FTMP). It has to grow together in order for it to survive and flourish...
So what is missing people...?
 

sauce

TRIBE Member
Missing people is a report that goes out quarterly and it lists by age all of the people that have gone missing in Canada.
Hope that helps:)
peace
sauce
 

sauce

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: What's Missing People...?

Originally posted by sauce
Missing people is a report that goes out quarterly and it lists by age all of the people that have gone missing in Canada.
Hope that helps:)
peace
sauce
And before anyone else, SMARTASS.
peace
sauce
 

KickIT

TRIBE Member
Good post. I could go on for hours on why I think the turnouts are low but I won't. I'll summarize with these points:

1) variety is good. the same old same old can only fly for so long.
2) politics are retarded. people who play them only shoot themselves in the foot.
3) broaden your customer base. promoters need to start appealing to other people. relying on the same people will not net you any good results.
4) hype. as groovegirl said, there's never any publications on the breaks scene (ie Now or Eye). Exposure is always healthy.
5) support. support those who try and support you. not going cuz you can't get in for free is lame.

That is all, let the debate begin.

*c*
 
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Angus Robinson

TRIBE Member
I think that the reason why turnouts have been low is that we are keeping to ourselves too much, and only promoting to people who ONLY like breaks... There's a whole ton of househeads and junglist who do like breaks, but they just haven't heard enough of it, or don't know anyone in the scene, or just don't know what's going on.

I think if we're going to survive, we're going to have to bring breaks to other genres. For example, setting up a breaks room at a progressive night. Many progressive DJs already spin some breaks, so this idea isn't too far-fetched. This is why I think the new Wednesday night at Tonic will be beneficial the breaks scene overall. It's exposing breaks to a crowd that doesn't normally hear it (even though it is mildly competing with the beloved Limelight ;) ).

I just think that as a scene, we're stagnating, and if we don't cross promote with other genres, we're not going to get anywhere.
 

D-Monic

TRIBE Member
I too could go on for hours, but instead, I'll just reinforce Chuck's points.

1) variety is good. the same old same old can only fly for so long.

Too true. I've even heard many die hard breakers mentioning that even they are getting sick of the same people every night. As fun as it is to be a close litle family, new blood is always good.

2) politics are retarded. people who play them only shoot themselves in the foot.

Very true. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very true.

3) broaden your customer base. promoters need to start appealing to other people. relying on the same people will not net you any good results.

Also true. Once everyone gets to know everyone else and becomes close, everyone expects to get into every event for free. Therefore, the same people come out every week, but the promoters make less and less money, forcing good nights to close.

4) hype. as groovegirl said, there's never any publications on the breaks scene (ie Now or Eye). Exposure is always healthy.

Yep. [rant]Remember when Tribe was all about covering the scene, instead of covering the scene as it relates to a select few that frequent this board? Remember when the magazine used to innovate instead of regurgitate info that everyone's already read here? [/rant] True, Canada doens't have the population density to support a magazine like Mixmag or even Mixer, but thankfully there are some magazines sprouting up that are trying to bring information and entertainment to the scene, while trying to educate at the same time. We've got a long way to go, but hopefully the wait will be worth it.

Madhatter hit the nail on the head. The new Tonic night is in the perfect position to expose new people to the music we love. It's not meant to be competition, it's meant to make our scene bigger. House people like breaks, but they rarely go to breaks nights. This way, we're bringing breaks to them... and it's working brilliantly. We need more nights like that. More nights that will appeal to other scenes. Let's let them know what they're missing out one.

5) support. support those who try and support you. not going cuz you can't get in for free is lame.

This is oh, so true. Nothing else needs to be said.
 

The Electrician

TRIBE Promoter
:)

Chuckie.. Thuhmbs up on your list... True after true after true...


It's just an exposure thing for sure... If people don't know... then how are they supposed to like...


maybe people feel like they are getting ripped off when there is a phat headliner or 2 in town, but the price is steep (I dont wanna talk about that though, its been said many times before), But at WOMP's I cram a lot of dj's in to one night for 5 bucks... that seems to work... people getting value... but the thing is... any breaks headliner from out of the country should be good value for 20 bucks... look at Simply Jeff... He hasn't playing infront of a wicked crowd in T.O. for the past like 3 years (last time at Limelight was probably the best one)... He deserves better than that... HE'S SIMPLY FRICKIN JEFF!!!

Try to support your community and your locals, b/c that's what we are... a community... treat it as such... lets have a BBQ!!!

Politics are lame... He said she said is lame... actually if it's negative it's lame... I know not everyones not perfect... that would be dumb to assume so... but just try to stay on the up and up... and just be fuckin happy... :)

This summer will be wicked for everyone... just believe that... and make it so... attendance will rise...

Have a good one...
Wesley...
 
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Uncle Bobby

TRIBE Promoter
I think we need a specific forum, you know, lika a 'breaks room' so to speak. A place where we can discuss upcoming events, learn about dee jays, and have in general, breaks related discussions in an environment where we are free to do so. When will our prayers be answered!

UB.

P.S. you wanna know why parties aren't doing so well? Its simple, book more Uncle Bobby.

(JK)
 

!Myagi!

TRIBE Member
there need to be crossover nights.
purists get bored and cant support a healthy scene....there needs to be more nights with multiple genres and more dj's who arnt afraid to stray from the beaten path.
 

vinder

TRIBE Member
gotta agree with you guys, you need to cross promote some more. i know a tonne of prog heads such as myself that are just now discovering breaks, but only cause a lot of prog dj's are starting to spin more breaksand come to toronto (ie. cass, hybrid) not cause of the local scene, sorry to say. other than that, most of us have no idea about breaks events in the city. the breaks parties seem to be pretty small, and compromised of a pretty tight crowd. but without exposing it to others, it won't grow. get more breaks dj's out with the techno and or prog dj's and you'll see it explode the way we all want it to.
 
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Bobby Thrust

TRIBE Member
In Australia there are 2 to 3 free weekly magazine focussed on club culture in the major cities. They have full event listings, club guides, plenty profiles, advertisements for parties that will be happening, pictures of girls above the age of 17 and loads of hype. Using mags like 3D in Sydney or Zebra in Melbourne made me fill inserted into the scene because you knew almost anything you need to know for free. All I had to do was go to the bottle shop and there all these free mags were. 60 pages of full on club culture that did not centre on just house or breaks or whoever edvertised the most. They also had funny original content!
Their club scene is much larger than ours even though our population is equal or higher than their main centres. But, they have radio support (beyond internet radio) for dance music of all kinds. They have tv shows that follow club culture, they have many mainstream festivals that have dance stages and there are a plethora of dance festivals. They also have way more Nu-NRG (known as HiNRG) which shows that it is not all rosey down under. Do you really wanna go? Anyway, the point is that their dance scene is not underground in all regards, but you know that well promoted events will go off and that there is ample opportunity to get hype from people across the board as opposed to flyering the exact same people every week.
There are a lot of good people in this city who try pretty damn hard. There are also a lot of people who think only helping themselves will get them to the top. If promoters could all work together or at least not work against each other, we would all do a lot better. As a dude who likes to go to parties and have a little fun, I would hope that those individualistic bastards who hold us all back can simply fuck off so that those of us who could give a shit about lame ass politics are allowed to rock and roll all night and party every day.
 

funkNstyle

TRIBE Member
Good thread.
All the major points have been stated in the preceeding posts.

Firstly i think hype for the event is the major one.
Theres no need to explain it, you know what hype is and you know how much better it makes an event.

Secondly, Its stale. For a long time there was so many events and parties happening that we were constantly struggling just to keep up with them all.

Thirdly nobody dances anymore, Im guilty of this aswell. It always seemed that the good best parties were the ones that no matter where you looked it was rammed with people bustin lose and your friends cuttin rug right beside you.
Nobody can sit here and deny that walking into a room full of people bustin out doesnt give you a good outlook on the nite right away.
Everyone has their own reason for not dancing but it seems we all just stand around, drink beers and talk. (not a bad thing, just not the same enegry in the room)

Personally I miss big venues, but thats just me. I know its major $$$ to throw an event at a massive venue unless your a corporation with $$$ to blow out your ass but the feeling of having the dj on a huge stage with good lights, wicked decor and a soundsystem that would make your heart skip beats was my favourite thing!!

Dont get me wrong, the small intimate events rock just as hard but having a balance of both makes every event so much better.

Lastly, the scene is too divided. Its all genre bullshit and dj categorizing. Everyone has their fav's but beats are beats and breaks are breaks. A tune is a tune no matter how you look at it.

I always thought a good mix of house(good house) and breaks was the best combination for a room to diversify the crowd and keep that appeal of surprise as to what tracks will be mixed in next. (old dj dan and john kelley style)

My 2cents

Jonny
 

The Electrician

TRIBE Promoter
I'd say politics have to go for sure... Politics are just broken communication between 2 people or between 1 and 100 people... it doesnt matter... once one person says something then everyone else follows... it's pretty shitty...

most people wanna be cool.. so they play along and bash and maime peoples persona's... then it snow balls...

That's why I created WOMP... its a party where I will book anyone... b/c if you play breaks then you are worth it to play... everyone deserves equal opportunity regardless of what people say... it just makes people look like assholes...

Politics also makes the people who don't like politics not come out to anywhere.. b/c most places are full of it... so why go where you don't like the atmosphere... there are lots of people who don't go b/c of that reason...

but in the last few months I sense things in the breaks scene as way more calmed down on all the shit... I guess people are growing up... I still have faith that the scene can thrive again... we just got to make it happen...

People are getting lazy... moving on with their life... going to school... are really cheap...

I think it's going to take a lot of work... but it can happen for sure...

New Days with Old Vibes...

Later...
Wes :)
 
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AshG

Member
Originally posted by Bobby Thrust
In Australia there are 2 to 3 free weekly magazine focussed on club culture in the major cities. They have full event listings, club guides, plenty profiles, advertisements for parties that will be happening, pictures of girls above the age of 17 and loads of hype. Using mags like 3D in Sydney or Zebra in Melbourne made me fill inserted into the scene because you knew almost anything you need to know for free. All I had to do was go to the bottle shop and there all these free mags were. 60 pages of full on club culture that did not centre on just house or breaks or whoever edvertised the most. They also had funny original content!
Their club scene is much larger than ours even though our population is equal or higher than their main centres. But, they have radio support (beyond internet radio) for dance music of all kinds. They have tv shows that follow club culture, they have many mainstream festivals that have dance stages and there are a plethora of dance festivals. They also have way more Nu-NRG (known as HiNRG) which shows that it is not all rosey down under. Do you really wanna go? Anyway, the point is that their dance scene is not underground in all regards, but you know that well promoted events will go off and that there is ample opportunity to get hype from people across the board as opposed to flyering the exact same people every week.
There are a lot of good people in this city who try pretty damn hard. There are also a lot of people who think only helping themselves will get them to the top. If promoters could all work together or at least not work against each other, we would all do a lot better. As a dude who likes to go to parties and have a little fun, I would hope that those individualistic bastards who hold us all back can simply fuck off so that those of us who could give a shit about lame ass politics are allowed to rock and roll all night and party every day.
this has been covered here in great detail before and the issue is this: it isn't tribe's policy to promote the scene per se, and it isn't the policy of tribe's members to look outside their media realm to observe other media outlets.

just look at how many posts there along the lines of "i didn't hear about that - why didn't the promoters post it here?!".

same old, same old.

i feel sorry for the breaks scene because i do like it, tho i generally don't play it.
i wouldn't advise looking here for help tho.
 

7red4

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Uncle Bobby
I think we need a specific forum, you know, lika a 'breaks room' so to speak. A place where we can discuss upcoming events, learn about dee jays, and have in general, breaks related discussions in an environment where we are free to do so. When will our prayers be answered!



(JK)
why doesn't torontobreaks.com do more to educate and keep us informed?
 

jungleboy

TRIBE Promoter
maybe not that many people like breaks enuff to go out....


...plus the crowd vibes people the most out of any rave crowd.....shoot yourselves in the foot for a cool social club...
 

funkNstyle

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by 7red4


why doesn't torontobreaks.com do more to educate and keep us informed?
They do and have been.
there site was hacked not long ago and they've been trying to get it back up and running.

Jonny
 
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