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what do YOU live for?

DaPhatConductor

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we can all agree that there is a great deal of suffering out there, and that much of life is necessarily suffering, but science doesn't really help come to grips with that in any meaningful way. it is up to each of us to find a reason to live.

what do you live for and why?
 
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Fillmore

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I dont really have a reason to live persay. I see it more like somehow someway nature has giving me this body and this brain and I should make the most of it while I am here.

I guess I live to be happy :D
 
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glych t.anomaly

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DaPhatConductor said:
we can all agree that there is a great deal of suffering out there, and that much of life is necessarily suffering, but science doesn't really help come to grips with that in any meaningful way. it is up to each of us to find a reason to live.

what do you live for and why?


i wouldnt say science doesnt help everyone, i would say there are alot of people that may find the ' meaning ' you are seeking in life through science and there pursuit of knowledge, experience, dreams and desires.

some people perhaps find it necessary to look beyond the confines of our percieved sciences, some dont care at all, and when presented with questions like this, look at you like your an idiot.

i personnaly find great satisfaction in that science is a living and moving process of growing intelligence.


[jai]
 
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DaPhatConductor

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what i meant by the 'science' comment is that science describes the 'whats' and 'hows' of the universe, but not the 'why'. science can make things interesting, and it can be quite joyous, no doubt, but it doesn't give the average person an explanation of what thier suffering MEANS.
 

glych t.anomaly

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but science documents our basically limited understanding of the universe around us, and ourselves in so far as how you percieve yourself in existence.

are you looking for consistencies in respect to why ?


[jai]
 
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Muad'ib

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human existence doesn't mean anything, it just is. i also don't understand what it means to "justify one's existence."
 

glych t.anomaly

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they are constructs that are widely considered and acted upon in society, so they do exist, and people justify themselves usually when scrutinized

[jai]
 
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DaPhatConductor

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Muad'ib said:
human existence doesn't mean anything, it just is. i also don't understand what it means to "justify one's existence."

ok, that's exactly what i mean by science not helping. if existance is meaningless it's all well and good so long as you're not in horrible suffering, but if you are, and existance is meaningless... then what keeps you from offing yourself?
 

DaPhatConductor

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glych t.anomaly said:
but science documents our basically limited understanding of the universe around us, and ourselves in so far as how you percieve yourself in existence.

are you looking for consistencies in respect to why ?
[jai]

no i'm not. i'm just curious.

you would be surprised how much of an effect beliefs at this level have on lower order goal setting structures.

and i really wasn't out to talk about science. that was just an aside really, to highlight the fact that religion has been replaced by something that is quite different, and that does not offer the kinds of 'why' explanations that religion used to.
 

rubytuesday

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Next to my inherent selfishness I live for my loved ones (and I guess humanity at large). While the sheer joy of being alive is a motivator (on my good days), I agree with the threadstarter about major parts of life involving suffering. If it weren't for the people in my life I doubt I'd be where I am today and that I'd continue striving for more, especially in hard times. Hope is intertwined with this too obviously. If someone handed me everything I've ever needed/wanted I would probably be miserable. It's the perpetual idea of a brighter future that really motivates me, which is underpinned by my love for my family, who drive me to keep on trucking.
So I guess I live for love.
PLUR
 
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DaPhatConductor

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so to those of you who have answered:

what makes those things worth living for to you (please note i am not trying to judge any of you, i am honestly just curious). what is it about your family, or relationships with other people that is meaningful, what is it about cable porn that is meaningful, or what meaningful need does it satisfy? etc...
 

DaPhatConductor

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rubytuesday: great answer. this is exactly what i am looking for, thanks.

i personally feel that there is something good about relating to reality as a whole (whether you call it the dao, god, the universe, etc...). goals like 'be a good person' 'be true to my family' 'act responsibly towards the rest of humanity' etc. show a conscious decision to step outside of yourself and become a part of the whole.

there is something about this PROCESS, and about the delight in the CHALLENGE of it it is that is really touching and meaningful.

i wish i knew what it is!
 
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