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What Bush Said to Mr. Martin in Mexico


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Christian soldier Bush swears by the Lord

Thursday, February 5, 2004 - Page A19

It was on this day a year ago, Feb. 5, 2003, that Colin Powell came before the United Nations to catalogue Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of horror.

"My colleagues," said the U.S. Secretary of State, "every statement I make today is backed by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence."

Shortly thereafter, when Mr. Hussein failed to turn over the weapons he did not have, the United States invaded. Since the beginning of the war, more than 500 Americans have perished. As for the overwhelmingly outmatched Iraqis, an estimated 10,000 have been killed. For those who believe the invasion was unjust, "murdered" is the preferred, if excessive, word.

Mr. Powell came close to saying the aggression was unjust this week. If the administration had known there were no such weapons stocks, he told the Washington Post, there might not have been an invasion. The day his words were published, with consternation gripping the White House, Mr. Powell was trotted out to deny them, and say the attack was the correct call.

There were many who didn't believe the U.S. take on Iraqi weapons. The Canadian government wanted more time for inspections, more proof. United Nations chief inspector Hans Blix wanted more time. He was ridiculed. Some journalists, the most notable being Eric Margolis of the Sun chain, said from the first day that the U.S. line was a crock. In a print medium that is now, in contrast to Canadians themselves, largely conservative, he stood out.

In the long run, the war may well have beneficial consequences. Removing any brutal dictator usually does. But that does not take away from the contemptible manner in which the carnage was undertaken. That there were no weapons stocks is validation that the West's policy of containment against Saddam was working well.

Mr. Bush's credibility has suffered its biggest hit to date with the publication of the weapons report by David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector and CIA adviser who said no weapons now exist in Iraq. Ottawa's foreign-policy makers, while largely vindicated, aren't boasting about it. But the hope here is that Mr. Kay's repudiation will diminish some of the sense of moral righteousness coming from the Bush White House.

Though it wasn't publicized at the time, Prime Minister Paul Martin got a sense of that sanctimony when he met with Mr. Bush in early January in Mexico. Mr. Bush let the Prime Minister know that he believed himself to be on the side of God and tending to God's mission.

The Canadian side, while aware of the President's penchant for religiosity, had been expecting to talk more about softwood lumber than the Ten Commandments. The Canadians didn't expect the morality play. Nor did they expect that, almost in the same breath, Mr. Bush would be filling the air with the f-word and other saucy expletives of the type that would surely leave the Lord perturbed. Nor did they anticipate a pointed attack on French President "Jack Cheerack," as Mr. Bush called him, for his views on the Middle East.

Mr. Martin was somewhat taken aback by what he heard. After the meeting, he was barely out the door before he was asking someone in his entourage what was to be made of all the God stuff. In meetings of presidents and prime ministers, religion has rarely been at the forefront. Business is conducted on the basis of knowledge and logic. With the Bush White House, the visitors must bear in mind that there is a third force.

It was a Martin question on the President's world view that sent Mr. Bush off on his sermon. It wasn't, Canadians officials say, a gratuitous rant. Whether or not he was presenting himself as God's agent depends on whose version of the meeting one listens to.

But neither the Prime Minister nor Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham let this aspect of the proceedings divert them from their purpose of establishing a warm rapport with the President, which they achieved. There was no attempt at challenging the views of Mr. Bush, who had a religious conversion at age 39, after a weekend of talks with evangelist Billy Graham. Within a year, he gave up drinking and joined a men's Bible-study group.

With U.S. voters, he scores well for his religious views. It gives him moral clarity. In Canada, it hasn't helped his image. As a Maclean's poll reveals this week, this President is one of the most disliked in history. His sense of sanctimony combined with the right-wing warrior mentality is a potent non-seller. So much so that Paul Martin need not worry about rushing back to see him any time soon. If the Prime Minister wants to hear morality plays, there's a church just up the street from his Sussex Drive home.

Alex D. from TRIBE on Utility Room


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Originally posted by man_slut
Business is conducted on the basis of knowledge and logic. With the Bush White House, the visitors must bear in mind that there is a third force.B]

:D Knowledge and logic all of which Bush lacks. I love that third force factor... "can someone saaayyyy SATAN!" (The Church Lady).
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maybe bush is the second messiah of the kingly bloodline. quick somebody contact the Royal Dragon Court:D


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like i have been saying for quite some time, they are out to self fulfill the age old bible prophecies of armageddon

do not be surprised to see kerry become president if all else fails with keeping bush in power(something else i have been stating for over 2 yrs now)

with kerry, the plan will continue on. One that may see kerry becoming the sacrificial lamb with a nuclear occurance to boot


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What? Is anyone surprised this is how Martin's meeting with Bush turned out? For fuck's sake, Canada's cabal of Right-wing reactionaries were blaming Chretien for corroding Canada's relationship with the US! Gee, I wonder who really caused the problems. Anyway, personally, I don't trust anyone who is heavily into booze and drugs and then -- ta-da! -- they find God the next day. But we all know that Unpresident Bush will be elected rather than appointed come the next election.
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The irony here is that the US Constitution dictates a separation between church and state. the founding fathers are rolling in their graves.


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Actually, the Constitution offers no such guarantee of separation of church and state in it's actual articles and amendments. Here it is in full form: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.table.html

The founding fathers were tacit in their desire for this separation, but not implicit. So, such things as faith-based initiatives and Bush's religious fervour aren't unconstitutional in fact. Really, Americans (and more particularly in the South) have this thing about their leaders having faith - and more importantly, Christian faith. Howard Dean basically lost the South when he was caught on tape saying he would have to do the "Jesus strut" down there. Wacky.


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Just finished watching Bush's interview with Meet The Press.

Fuck, Bush is a terrible interview. The interviewer asked some obvious questions about Iraq, the economy, etc., and Bush was unable to put together a decent argument in any case.



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Just read through that.. my god what an idiot.

his use of "well, thery're just wrong" as a defense is maddening.


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You'd think the guy would be coached a little better than this. Essentially it was 10 minutes of "Don't blame me, blame the CIA".

I mean, if I'm going to be lied to and dinked around by a world leader, I want some fucking effort put into it.
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The CIA has denied they were to blame.

So who's the scapegoat gonna be?

This reminds me of something else... what is it what is it...