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water bottlers - time to pay up

janiecakes

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from today's Star:

Ontario to charge bottlers for water


CANADIAN PRESS

Companies that extract water for commercial purposes such as bottlers are going to have to pay a royalty for the resource, the Ontario government announced today.
The government also imposed a year-long moratorium on new permits to extract water as it studies the impact on watersheds, said Environment Minister Leona Dombrowsky.

"The days of taking water away for free are over," said Dombrowsky.

Dombrowsky noted that companies that log forests or drill for oil have to pay fees and follow provincial regulations, a situation that hasn't applied to those who extract water from underground or rivers or lakes once the permit was issued.

"Water bottlers and others who remove water out of a watershed cannot be permitted to just take more and more water," Dombrowsky said.

"We need to fully understand the consequences of takings on both the watershed and local water supplies."

Protection of water sources has been a major issue since the Walkerton tragedy in May 2000, when seven people died and 2,500 fell ill after their drinking water was contaminated with E. coli bacteria from farm run-off.

The Environment Ministry has also come under fire for having lost track of the thousands of permits to take water issued over the years.

In his report on the tragedy, Associate Chief Justice Dennis O'Connor recommended tighter controls on the permits as an integral part of protecting sources of drinking water in the province.

The moratorium does not apply to municipalities or their ability to ensure residents have enough water, or to farms.

It does apply to bottlers, concrete makers and any manufacturer who uses 50,000 litres of water or more in a day.

Existing permit holders can continue to draw water - but the maximum amount will be frozen.

Bottlers have argued they shouldn't be singled out.
 

Subsonic Chronic

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About FREAKING time!

I can't believe that the government would let companies just rape our natural resources free of charge for this long.
 
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xsre

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Maybe it'll pay the deficit off and we can have our election promises fulfilled.

And I'm a little more than surprised they didn't have to pay before.

Why do people need bottled water anyway? Tap water is more filtered than any bottled water out there. *sips Aquafina*
 

mingster

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Originally posted by deep
that's pretty dumb that they didn't have to pay before

indeed. i never knew that. but i had heard that apparently there are no regulations for bottling water in canada. as in, they can be bottling squirrel pee, and it wouldn't matter. which is also dumb.
 

Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by mingster
nice one.

hopefully, this won't drive up the retail cost of water.
Half the stuff out there (ie: Dasani) is glorified tap water anyway, not actual "spring" water.

Tap water is perfectly safe to drink on a regular basis. Plus it's got flouride that keeps your teeth clean. Dentists are noticing a rise in kids with cavities because their parents have them drinking bottled water instead of tap water.
 

JMan

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what a great business model. Take water for free and sell it for money. I bet everyone laughed when Jimmy Evian outlined his idea way back when...

J
 
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Subsonic Chronic

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Originally posted by mingster
but i had heard that apparently there are no regulations for bottling water in canada. as in, they can be bottling squirrel pee, and it wouldn't matter. which is also dumb.
that's correct (as far as i know anyway).
 

Funzo

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That's kind of ridiculous! Now they can use 49500 liters/day and still fill 82500 bottles, and still not have to pay.
 

Astroboy

TRIBE Member
it's about time...i wonder just how much the levy on water will be...that's a pretty dangerous principle to be making IMO....putting a price on fresh drinking water is certainly going to stir up lots of discussion!
 

Sunshyne Jones

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sorta related - a (not really well written) story in our internal newsletter here at work but taken from an article printed elsewhere ... surprised the heck outta me, but guess I never really thought too much about it ...

This savings could cost you!

Who can say they never reused their plastic water bottle in order to save money or just for the convenience of it? What many people don’t know is this habit could become harmful for your health!

Indeed, a Canadian study on plastic water bottles reused over and over proved that one third of the water sampled from these bottles was contaminated with bacteria, presumably coming from the mouth or hands. More tests on water bottles showed that plastic products are found in the water you drink!

The plastic used for bottled water is different than the plastic used to make real reusable water bottles (costrel) or plastic glasses intended for multiple and extended usage. These are specially made and are not harmful to our health.

Have you ever had a sore throat for no apparent reason? And does a sudden gastroenteritis ring a bell? Stop this bad habit right now and protect yourself! Follow the Canadian Bottled Water Association’s recommendations and avoid reusing your bottle.

Even if you try hard, you can’t sterilize a plastic bottle properly. So give yourself a present: buy a beautiful costrel or a cute glass that you’ll be able to clean easily and efficiently.

Source: Coup de pouce, November 2003



Word of the Day – Costrel – A flat, pear-shaped drinking vessel with loops for attachment to the belt of the user.
 

Subsonic Chronic

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I have a glass bottle (Arizona Iced Tea - it's blue and pretty) that I use for water at work. I've heard that info before about reusing bottles, I wasn't aware that it only affected plastic bottled (I wash mine out with soap and hot water regularly anyway).
 
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stir-fry

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Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
Half the stuff out there (ie: Dasani) is glorified tap water anyway, not actual "spring" water.

Tap water is perfectly safe to drink on a regular basis. Plus it's got flouride that keeps your teeth clean. Dentists are noticing a rise in kids with cavities because their parents have them drinking bottled water instead of tap water.

I urge you to do some reading on the pros and cons of flouride.. it does a lot more to our bodies than just keeps our teeth clean.
in fact, they think it's downright harmful to adults.
 

Sunshyne Jones

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Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
I have a glass bottle (Arizona Iced Tea - it's blue and pretty) that I use for water at work. I've heard that info before about reusing bottles, I wasn't aware that it only affected plastic bottled (I wash mine out with soap and hot water regularly anyway).
what they're saying about it, though, is that even washing plastic bottles with soap and water doesn't make it safe to re-use them.

how 'dangerous' they really are and how high the quantities of stuff you don't want are I don't know.

i.e. Even if you try hard, you can’t sterilize a plastic bottle properly

I think the glass ones are fine - i love those arizone ice tea bottles!
 

AdRiaN

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The bottled water association is telling us to stop reusing bottles? Riiiight. How convenient.

I'm not disputing the claim that reusing bottles is not the most sanitary practice, but I have trouble believing that the bacteria levels are high enough to actually put anyone at risk, especially after washing.
 

JMan

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Originally posted by Sunshyne Jones
what they're saying about it, though, is that even washing plastic bottles with soap and water doesn't make it safe to re-use them.

how 'dangerous' they really are and how high the quantities of stuff you don't want are I don't know.

i.e. Even if you try hard, you can’t sterilize a plastic bottle properly

I think the glass ones are fine - i love those arizone ice tea bottles!
I've used plastic bottles for 6 months at a time and I seem fine for now.
 
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Ditto Much

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Originally posted by JMan
I've used plastic bottles for 6 months at a time and I seem fine for now.
yeah but dude your not exactly starting from a point of normality or anything. Like personally my blood is so pickeled there isn't much that can legitimately make me sick anymore.
 

man_slut

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Originally posted by stir-fry
I urge you to do some reading on the pros and cons of flouride.. it does a lot more to our bodies than just keeps our teeth clean.
in fact, they think it's downright harmful to adults.
Look at a container of Colgate and read the instructions they have listed for children! Use a drop and supervise while the child is brushing. Fluoride is soooo bad for you!
 

graham

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it doesn't completely thrill me that I'm going to have to pay more for water in the future, but I guess it's cool if you guys are down with it.
 
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