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War in Iraq?

matty

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This article in The Observer is makes it seem like an invasion of Iraq is definitely next on Bush's anti-terrorist agenda. Wouldn't the massing of a quarter million western troops in the middle east be case for renewed terrorist action against the US? Plus you have the rest of the middle east to think about. Other arab nations which are generally sympathetic to the Palestinians might see the US funding of Israel and a ground war in Iraq as a pattern of US hostility towards arab states.

http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,665114,00.html

Bush wants 25,000 UK Iraq force

Britain considers joint invasion plan

Terrorism crisis - Observer special

Kamal Ahmed, Jason Burke and Peter Beaumont
Sunday March 10, 2002
The Observer

America has asked Britain to draw up plans for 25,000 of this country's troops to join a US task force to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
In a move which reveals advanced US plans for the next phase of its war on terror, Government departments are considering the plans ahead of Vice-President Dick Cheney's meeting with the Prime Minister tomorrow.

Cheney will come to London armed with fresh evidence against the Iraqi dictator, and will tell Tony Blair that United Nations inspections of Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons may not be enough to head off a new war in the Gulf.

The request for such a large number of British troops shows the high stakes America is now playing for. It will alarm Cabinet doves, thought to include Clare Short, the International Development Secretary, and Robin Cook, the former Foreign Secretary and now Leader of the Commons.

The Government is already facing a split on the issue of military action against Iraq. One Minister described those who had questioned Blair's policy of fully backing a US military campaign as 'appeasers'.

'At some point people have to realise that action has to be taken,' he said.

The request for such a large number of troops is unprecedented in peacetime. It is one of three major options now being considered by the Government which has always insisted publicly that no final decisions have been made on military action against Saddam.

British troops would be part of a 250,000-strong ground force to invade Iraq in an operation similar to Desert Storm in 1991.

The second option is one where smaller special forces units would support opposition forces within Iraq, like the tactic used in Afghanistan, where the Northern Alliance was backed with air strikes and logistical support in its battle to overthrow the Taliban.

The third option - thought to be preferred by the Foreign Office - is one of 'aggressive containment'. Under this plan, air strikes against Iraq would be intensified if Saddam did not agree to a comprehensive inspections agree ment.

Cheney arrives in London ahead of a 10-day 'hearts and minds' tour of the Middle East which is seen as vital in shoring up the alliance against Iraq. After London he will visit Egypt, Israel, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Turkey.

America is confident that with enough evidence against Saddam, the White House can persuade other Arab states to support military action.

'I think they all have legitimate concerns about the regime in Iraq, and they're aware that Saddam continues to represent a threat to the security and stability of the region,' said one White House official. 'I expect they'll all want to talk about it.'

America has already begun a discreet military build-up in preparation for a ground war in Iraq. US special forces are training Iraqi militia to be ready for a strike against Saddam in the coming months.

Teams of instructors drawn from American elite regiments have been arriving in Kurdish-held areas in the north of Iraq in recent weeks, targeting the semi-autonomous areas run by the Kurdish Democratic Party.

The instructors are improving local fighters' tactical and weapons skills and teaching them how to exploit chaos caused by American air strikes. They are also drawing up lists of potential targets, a vital prerequisite to any ground offensive.

Defence sources say a battalion of 24 Longbow Apache attack helicopters also recently arrived in Kuwait. The helicopters, capable of operating up to 250 kilometres behind enemy lines, could be used to attack air defence sites and Iraqi armour in the opening air phase of any war.

In a separate development sources say more than 5,000 US fighting vehicles, mothballed in Kuwait since the end of the Gulf War, have quietly been overhauled.
 

LoopeD

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Iraq is run by a madman who needs to be shot and killed before more Iraqui citizens die. The sanctions imposed were to stop Hussein from building weapons of mass destruction; as his people are starving he continues to build expensive edifices to his own greatness. He cares nothing for his people, only revenge against those who have "wronged" him. The current sanctions are up in May, at which time the U.N. is thinking of modifying them so that its Saddam's regime that suffers, not the average Iraqui citizen. The sooner he can be ousted, the better it will be, for the world and for Iraq.






:)d
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by bucky
you canadians are wacky....
because we know that there are news sources other then CNN?

i suspect that bush my find that iraq does not role over and die as easily as the taliban. not that i think he will care so long as his oil and military equipment buddies are happy with their bank statements.

seriously, how could invading iraq make terrorist attacks less likely? it will inevitably create a new generation of iraqi children who hate the american bastards who killed their parents, families, and friends, bombed their schools and hospitals, then told them it was for their own good and decided that a food handout would make up for it.
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by LoopeD
Iraq is run by a madman who needs to be shot and killed before more Iraqui citizens die. The sanctions imposed were to stop Hussein from building weapons of mass destruction; as his people are starving he continues to build expensive edifices to his own greatness. He cares nothing for his people, only revenge against those who have "wronged" him. The current sanctions are up in May, at which time the U.N. is thinking of modifying them so that its Saddam's regime that suffers, not the average Iraqui citizen. The sooner he can be ousted, the better it will be, for the world and for Iraq.

that, i agree with completely.
 
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alexd

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Staff member
Vice president cheney said in a press conference today that they reserve the right to use tactical nuclear weapons in the fight against terrorism.

I think now that the world nuclear/political climate has shifted from deterrance (mutual assured destruction), to threatening impererialist posturing and 'preventative strikes' to eleiminate potential terrorist threats.

Nationalism/patriotism = imperialism.

Scary as fuck.
 

twist

TRIBE Member
fuck iraq. We have no right to inspect that country like we had no right to inspect cuba. OK we'll just take your word that you don't want us all dead.
 

Rosey

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tactical nuclear weapons is a scarey term because it is only loosely defined. it could mean anything from 'nuclear landmines' and small explosive with a yield of less than .01 KT to bombs significantly larger than those dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki.
 

Karim

TRIBE Member
There could be a secret agenda with those sanctions.

Remember the food for oil campaign? now thats sneaky on the american part!!

But yeah, the government there needs to be changed. If the USA fights a full scale war, Saddam will not hesitate using chemical weapons.

But nukeing them is not the answer, because it sets bad examples to other nations such as north korea.

Thank God we're neutral!! But it will eventually catch up to us.

:( <------- War sucks
Karim
 
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twist

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ps. if we go to war with iraq they won't last a month. The Taliban didn't exactly roll over but you can sure as fuck bet iraq will. They have even less than they did in the gulf war and Saddam pissed off a lot of sheiks when he started setting their oil fields on fire. End of the day... as long as they can still sell us oil they won't give a flying fuck who runs their country.

it's all about the benjamins people... remember that... even war.
 

Subsonic Chronic

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In regards to the recently released Pentagon document that details Nuclear plans on China, Russia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, North Korea and Yemen:

From the Islamic Republic News Agency:
"The Islamic Republic believes that the era of using force to push forward international relations is long past, and those who resort to the logic of force follow exactly the same logic as terrorists, although they are in the position of power," the news agency said.
Zing!

Bah... gotta leave already , these early days fly by.

Pete
 
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