interesting. rama's not going to be overly impressed with that.
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interesting. rama's not going to be overly impressed with that.
I raise that to 48/14
The first public hearing is this evening. Godfrey's remarks, as quoted in this article, are outrageous, but not surprising coming from him...
Duly Quoted: Paul Godfrey on a Downtown Casino | cityscape | Torontoist
Duly Quoted: Paul Godfrey on a Downtown Casino | cityscape | Torontoist
videotronic
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the wording is dumb but the concept is valid. if you want peace, quiet, green grass, picket fences and idyllic sunsets move to the burbs. if you want casinos, homeless people, crackheads smoking the pipe in your backyard and 24 hour tourists live downtown.
the people who expect to be able to have the convenience of one with the solitude of the other (see:toronto island dwellers) are delusional.
the people who expect to be able to have the convenience of one with the solitude of the other (see:toronto island dwellers) are delusional.
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that's pretty narrow-minded.
Lots of people live downtown with all the varieties of things it includes; that doesn't mean you dump a behemoth self-contained infrastructure there.
One of the commenters on the Torontoist site had this to say:
"I live downtown (on Ossignton Ave.), I live among stores and restaurants and entertainment locations such as art galleries and small theaters and bars. These are welcome in my mixed neighborhood because they bring vibrancy and life to an otherwise "residential" looking neighborhood.
I also live close to a CAMH center full of drug addicts and mentally ill people. I live a short bus ride away from Ontario Place and the EX/Convention Center and so do these already at risk individuals - there should not be a vice like a casino anywhere near there... for the good of EVERYONE in the city, especially those in the south west."
that's pretty narrow-minded.
Lots of people live downtown with all the varieties of things it includes; that doesn't mean you dump a behemoth self-contained infrastructure there.
One of the commenters on the Torontoist site had this to say:
"I live downtown (on Ossignton Ave.), I live among stores and restaurants and entertainment locations such as art galleries and small theaters and bars. These are welcome in my mixed neighborhood because they bring vibrancy and life to an otherwise "residential" looking neighborhood.
I also live close to a CAMH center full of drug addicts and mentally ill people. I live a short bus ride away from Ontario Place and the EX/Convention Center and so do these already at risk individuals - there should not be a vice like a casino anywhere near there... for the good of EVERYONE in the city, especially those in the south west."
Definitely prefer a casino downtown,especially since I don't drive.Already tried out the new poker room at Woodbine on Monday night that has been open since October 2012. They have a 11 electronic poker tables and I'll probably go again tonight right after work. Admittedly, the trek getting to Woodbine just to play some Texas hold'em is a bitch.
We want a full casino downtown!
We want a full casino downtown!
Hi i'm God
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Barrie just got all the comments in for their 'casino'.
we have the racetrack on the 400 and it's kept Innisfil prosperous there's also rama not far but from what I hear it's not much help to the locals.
we have the racetrack on the 400 and it's kept Innisfil prosperous there's also rama not far but from what I hear it's not much help to the locals.
videotronic
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my uncle is an alcoholic. do you think no one should be able to open a bar near where he lives?
videotronic
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also its not really narrow minded at all...its called "reality"
i live at church/dundas. if i walk to the corner store at 2am i have a 60% chance of seeing someone sucking the glass dick in the parking lot across the street from my place. if i leave my bike locked up overnight there is a good chance the wheels and seat will be gone in the AM. i am a 6'4" 200+ lb dude and im comfortable walking around regardless of time, but i never let my 4'11 girlfriend walk around our hood at night alone...not even to the corner store.
is that ideal? no. you know what though? i accept all these things because i *chose* to live where i do, knowing full well what that entails. i moved downtown because i wanted to be in "the middle" of it all...i wanted convenience, choice, limitless options for food, drink, shopping etc. all within a 25 min walk or a 10-15 min TTC ride.
if i wanted a nice little residential nieghbourhood id move to one, and i would suggest the same to anyone else.
i live at church/dundas. if i walk to the corner store at 2am i have a 60% chance of seeing someone sucking the glass dick in the parking lot across the street from my place. if i leave my bike locked up overnight there is a good chance the wheels and seat will be gone in the AM. i am a 6'4" 200+ lb dude and im comfortable walking around regardless of time, but i never let my 4'11 girlfriend walk around our hood at night alone...not even to the corner store.
is that ideal? no. you know what though? i accept all these things because i *chose* to live where i do, knowing full well what that entails. i moved downtown because i wanted to be in "the middle" of it all...i wanted convenience, choice, limitless options for food, drink, shopping etc. all within a 25 min walk or a 10-15 min TTC ride.
if i wanted a nice little residential nieghbourhood id move to one, and i would suggest the same to anyone else.
agentRC4
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You don't live downtown if you live on Ossington. Sorry.
Plus all those condos downtown are owned by foreners and rented to locals
agentRC4
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Straddle
No I agree with you; that's just what that commenter was saying.
Fair enough: now would you like to see a HUGE self-contained structure right there, with huge parking lots, its own restaurants etc??
I don't have anything against casinos a priori: the concept of the mega-casino bothers me.
I didn't realize that the definition of "downtown" had changed to no longer include places just north of and around Queen..
videotronic
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a)yes. i would love a giant frigging casino a block away from my house. why wouldn't i? as i explained above that kind of access is *exactly* why live where i do. i want it all and i preferably want it within 5 minutes of my place.
b) i wouldn't consider ossington downtown either. too far east.
Here's the form in case anyone is interested. It's due tomorrow.
https://surveys.dpra.com/casino/CasinoSurvey.aspx
https://surveys.dpra.com/casino/CasinoSurvey.aspx
derek
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i'm not 100% for a casino but it's reasoning like this that is backwards. camh was there long before it became a heavily populated residential area, and if they're going to make a claim that a casino shouldn't be in the area to protect patients, shouldn't they be bitching about the number of clubs / afterhours places that have frequented around the area for the last 20 years, where alcohol and drugs are easily accessible? newsflash they already have easy access to both.
seems like some are picking which vices are acceptable and which are not. claiming one brings 'vibrancy' and the other doesn't is a cop-out and highly subjective.
also, i wouldn't consider ossington downtown. like considering riverdale downtown. bathurst is the cutoff west, dvp east, and bloor north.
The definition didn't change, it never included Ossington at any point.
THIS. Thank you. Alcohol is omnipresent and revered in our society so it gets a pass for the massive amount of damage it inflicts on society. Gambling is enjoyed by a certain section of society (yes, with damage to some) but the non-gamblers gets to cast aspersions on those who do.
veteze
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toronto shouldn't get a casino. casinos don't attract tourists. and they largely pull in locals for revenue.
toronto should get an integrated resort with 10% of the floor space dedicated to casino functions. those attract tourists.
check out the IR they built in singapore. educate yourself about other IRs built around the world. these are the only type of gaming facilities we should be building anywhere. casinos sponge off less fortunate people that can't help themselves. IRs sponge off people from other places who come to visit and spend their money all over the city.
toronto should get an integrated resort with 10% of the floor space dedicated to casino functions. those attract tourists.
check out the IR they built in singapore. educate yourself about other IRs built around the world. these are the only type of gaming facilities we should be building anywhere. casinos sponge off less fortunate people that can't help themselves. IRs sponge off people from other places who come to visit and spend their money all over the city.
ffs, I don't understand the big deal. I live at Front and Blue Jays and would love to have close access to a casino. I wouldn't want to go often, but it'd be a fun option some weekends.
Someone already raised the good point that, despite rampant alcoholism amongst some population segments, we don't outlaw bars and LCBOs. Sure, some will lose their life savings at the casino... But they will go gamble wherever there is gambling.
If we have an issue with gambling, let's outlaw gambling. Otherwise, put the damn thing downtown where people can actually use it.
Someone already raised the good point that, despite rampant alcoholism amongst some population segments, we don't outlaw bars and LCBOs. Sure, some will lose their life savings at the casino... But they will go gamble wherever there is gambling.
If we have an issue with gambling, let's outlaw gambling. Otherwise, put the damn thing downtown where people can actually use it.
Bass-Invader
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the liquor analogy isn't really useful. bars are ingrained in the fabric of local culture and more importantly, are already there.
The casino doesn't exist at the moment. Introducing it could cause changes. Those changes should be the focus of concern, not meta-analogies with drinking.
What would be useful is an account of what would change if the casino was put in place. In terms of a) crime, b) congestion, c) increases in pathological and problem gambling (I suspect the whole 'they will find somewhere else assertion isn't entirely true') d) commerce, and anything else. I'm sure such accounts exist because this question arises every time a locality elects to allow casinos.
The casino doesn't exist at the moment. Introducing it could cause changes. Those changes should be the focus of concern, not meta-analogies with drinking.
What would be useful is an account of what would change if the casino was put in place. In terms of a) crime, b) congestion, c) increases in pathological and problem gambling (I suspect the whole 'they will find somewhere else assertion isn't entirely true') d) commerce, and anything else. I'm sure such accounts exist because this question arises every time a locality elects to allow casinos.