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US spells out plan to bomb Iran

Boss Hog

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US spells out plan to bomb Iran
IAN BRUCE, Defence Correspondent

THE US is updating contingency plans for a non-nuclear strike to cripple Iran's atomic weapon programme if international diplomacy fails, Pentagon sources have confirmed.

Strategists are understood to have presented two options for pinpoint strikes using B2 bombers flying directly from bases in Missouri, Guam in the Pacific and Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean.

RAF Fairford in Gloucester also has facilities for B2s but this has been ruled out because of the UK's opposition to military action against Tehran.

The main plan calls for a rolling, five-day bombing campaign against 400 key targets in Iran, including 24 nuclear-related sites, 14 military airfields and radar installations, and Revolutionary Guard headquarters.

At least 75 targets in underground complexes would be attacked with waves of bunker-buster bombs.

Iranian radar networks and air defence bases would be struck by submarine-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles and then kept out of action by carrier aircraft flying from warships in the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf.

The alternative to an all-out campaign is a demonstration strike against one or two high-profile targets such as the Natanz uranium enrichment facility or the hexafluoride gas plant at Isfahan.

UK sources say contingency plans have also been drawn up to cope with the inevitable backlash against the Basra garrison in neighbouring Iraq.



http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/62043.html
 

stir-fry

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wow, only a year and a half in the making.. how long until the US army spreads themselves too thin and really shoots themselves in the foot?
 

atbell

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^^^^
You mean like having so few troops ready that they need to use the republican guard to watch thier souther boarder?

Could the boarder patrol be a way of making green troops less green....
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.... .... just in case.
 

SellyCat

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The US has less than 30 B2s. This 'disclosure' is psy-ops. They'd use their new surface-to-surface unitary missile system, B-52s carrying huge stand-off cruise missiles, F-15 squadrons protected by large numbers of electronic warfare aircraft like the new F-18G "Growler".

B2s are of limited value. They were designed to GUARANTEE the delivery of nuclear warheads in suicidal conditions. The new nature of warfare means their use is very tricky and bizarre relative to their intended purpose. The aura of lone, invisible strike capability surrounds the B2, but in reality they are never alone. They are always escorted by a large number of electronic warfare, fighter and SEADS (suppression of enemy air defense systems) aircraft. When you think of it that way, it's kind of silly. Sexy, lone, invisible planes...being escorted by a huge armada of airpower to protect these supposedly invincible ghosts of destruction. They're simply too expensive to be lost: $2.5 BILLION EACH! That's more than an aircraft carrier or nuclear submarine.

Also, notice the 400 targets versus less than a hundred targets belonging to everything they'd supposedly want to attack? This is because those other hundreds of targets are Revolutionary Guard barracks and concentrations of equipment, including their long-range SS missile facilities and production infrastructure, which will result in tens of thousands of casualties. The purpose of this is to dampen the affect of a counter-attack against US and British position in Iraq. And probably the Gulf too.

"Psychological denial" is the biggest component of American military doctrine vis-a-vis airpower. Leaking these stories is supposed to put the fear in Iranian war-fighters. One of the best sure fire ways to know a war is going to happen, is when the US begins moving its F-15E fighter squadrons, which are the most advanced and capable ground attack platforms. The problem with this is that Iran is already circled by these assets.

If there is to be an attack on Iran, I predict there will be a ground component involved, necessarily. A limited invasion, in-and-out, by medium sized, fast-moving, "future combat system" units. Maybe batallion-sized. This is to ensure the destruction of key sites Special Operations engineering units, while the air force is used to the pummel the Rev-Guards into refusing to fight.

I still maintain that an attack on Iran would be incredibly bloody because of the size and sophistication of its armed forces. It would be like nothing we've seen before; an unprecedented concentration of violence. Remember the videos of the simulteneous bombings in Baghdad? It's been confirmed that that was NOTHING compared to what they did in Mosul, where there were no cameras. THAT was apparantly the real, shock-and-awe show of the campaign.

I hope this war doesn't happen, because its repercussions would be terribly severe. If I'm China and Russia, I've already prepared and authorised Iranian counter-attacks against America's most important oil facilities in South East Asia.
 
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Boss Hog

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Yeah I kind of figured the US wasn't going to lay out their detailed attack plan ahead of time.

The intent to attack, however, seems genuine.
 

docta seuss

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SellyCat said:
The aura of lone, invisible strike capability surrounds the B2, but in reality they are never alone. They are always escorted by a large number of electronic warfare, fighter and SEADS (suppression of enemy air defense systems) aircraft.
that's not entirely true. during the NATO campaign in Kosovo they flew lone wolf missions, as they did in Afghanistan, and the F-117 has flown countless such missions in quite a few theatres.

wikipedia just told me that the B-2 was also used in Iraq, though i don't know what type of escort, if any, they had.

they're not so useless as you make them sound.

that said, i agree that there's no way they would form the brunt of the strike force.

perhaps the first ones in for a few precision strikes, but considering the small size of the B-2 fleet, they lack they payload to perform such a campaign in its entirety effectively.

SellyCat said:
They're simply too expensive to be lost: $2.5 BILLION EACH! That's more than an aircraft carrier or nuclear submarine.
wikipedia said:
Estimates for the costs per plane range from $1.157 billion USD to $2.2 billion
 

SellyCat

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docta seuss said:
that's not entirely true. during the NATO campaign in Kosovo they flew lone wolf missions, as they did in Afghanistan, and the F-117 has flown countless such missions in quite a few theatres.

wikipedia just told me that the B-2 was also used in Iraq, though i don't know what type of escort, if any, they had.

they're not so useless as you make them sound.

that said, i agree that there's no way they would form the brunt of the strike force.

perhaps the first ones in for a few precision strikes, but considering the small size of the B-2 fleet, they lack they payload to perform such a campaign in its entirety effectively.
The problem is that they're not completely invisible to radar and they're also quite slow.

I have this theory that you might be able to use Doppler radar to detect their physical shape, or the way they disturb the air as they fly. Those radars can see into tornadoes and hurricanes and shit.

Also, I never meant to imply that they're useless; they certainly aren't. But the way they are used is quite different from how the doctrine they were to fit into. And I've heard several air force people on TV and in books talk about how they get extensive escort.

I remember one of those retired talking heads say the 117s were escorted in Kosovo because they had a very advanced air defense system.

I beleive that were used in the first strikes on Baghdad. It's a good platform for dropping those big-ass JDAMS, like 30 of them. So one payload can take out that many big, big buildings in one shot, instead of 15 F16s or whatever else that makes a shit load of noise.
 
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