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Twinkie Tax - An option to get us to eat healthier

15 years ago a pretty radical idea was proposed that would tax unhealthy foods in order to curb foods that are unhealthy and increase the likelihood of obesity. The taxes would be put back into our healthcare costs that are attributed to treating obesity.

In the U.S. this is actually getting proposed in State Legislature and might actually go through.

Thoughts?
 
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AshG

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Define unhealthy.

on the other hand it'd be funny to see an entire underground market for bad foods cropping up(pen intended x2).
 

Dr. Grinch

TRIBE Member
People need to learn some fucking restraint. That's really the issue.
I've never been forcibly made to eat a chocolate bar, nor to even purchase one. Healthy choices are clearly available, people just aren't willing to change their lifestyle for the better because eating fast, greasy crap is too convienent.
 
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Originally posted by Dr. Grinch
People need to learn some fucking restraint. That's really the issue.

While I do agree wholeheartedly with this, the problem is, that we're so indoctrinated with the notion that we should have complete and utter freedom to do as we please, but expect the government to intervene when we've caused harm to ourselves immediately and take responsibility for the harm we've caused ourselves.
 

Dr. Grinch

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by el presidente Highsteppa
While I do agree wholeheartedly with this, the problem is, that we're so indoctrinated with the notion that we should have complete and utter freedom to do as we please, but expect the government to intervene when we've caused harm to ourselves immediately and take responsibility for the harm we've caused ourselves.

Which brings up the point that we've become (as a society in North america) and bunch of fat spoiled lazy children who need constant attention so as to not totally eradicate ourselves.

I was at the gym today, and while I was running on the eliptical CNN was on with captions, so I watched it for an hour. They talked about McDonalds and the whole supersize bullshit, and then they talked about getting Porn on cellphones.

The sad part is that there's a demand for both. People want more of fucking everything, but like you said they're not willing or perhaps able to handle the responsibility and the outcomes of their actions. It's scary where our priorities are headed as a culture, if we even have priorities anymore.
 

MoFo

TRIBE Member
Like cigarettes and gas, they will just make more money off of it. People already don't go and hunt for good deals on junk food. They crave it, they buy it. A difference of 50 cents is not gonna curb people.

Unless they made Ho-ho's $20 each or something.
 

smilez

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Dr. Grinch
People need to learn some fucking restraint. That's really the issue.
I've never been forcibly made to eat a chocolate bar, nor to even purchase one. Healthy choices are clearly available, people just aren't willing to change their lifestyle for the better because eating fast, greasy crap is too convienent.

The obvious example of the fact that people can't control themselves is the copious amount of money people spend on cigarettes- you get nothing in return -people are literally setting their money on fire

*POOF*

way to go people!

Melissa
 
Originally posted by smilez
The obvious example of the fact that people can't control themselves is the copious amount of money people spend on cigarettes- you get nothing in return -people are literally setting their money on fire

*POOF*

way to go people!

Melissa

But fast food is a bit of an exception, since it's being directly marketed towards children, which cigarettes never will, because of government intervention.

Remember that Ronald McDonald is only the second most recognized person on the planet, the first being Santa Claus.
 
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chipotle

Well-Known TRIBEr
The general sort of notion about this is that: Food is a necesity for people so taxing it only decreases the amount of quantity by little amount. I am afraid that this might only affect the least wealthy that chose to consume junk food daily and might have already established bad eating habits.

who knows?... the big companies might not like this and intervine.
 

quantumize

TRIBE Member
there is a direct corrolation between obesity and poverty in the united states.


in some poor neighborhoods in america it is actually cheaper to buy mcdonalds than it is to buy groceries, especiually in small towns where giants like walmart have driven the minimun wage down.
 

chipotle

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by quantumize
there is a direct corrolation between obesity and poverty in the united states.


in some poor neighborhoods in america it is actually cheaper to buy mcdonalds than it is to buy groceries, especiually in small towns where giants like walmart have driven the minimun wage down.

yes.
I agree... small wages...lesss disposable income (or less income in general).. food has to be cheaper for those earning less to be able to afford it.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Grinch
Which brings up the point that we've become (as a society in North america) and bunch of fat spoiled lazy children who need constant attention so as to not totally eradicate ourselves.

I was at the gym today, and while I was running on the eliptical CNN was on with captions, so I watched it for an hour. They talked about McDonalds and the whole supersize bullshit, and then they talked about getting Porn on cellphones.

The sad part is that there's a demand for both. People want more of fucking everything, but like you said they're not willing or perhaps able to handle the responsibility and the outcomes of their actions. It's scary where our priorities are headed as a culture, if we even have priorities anymore.

Totally agree. The legal system and our policitians are being charged with the duties of protecting us from ourselves, which in my eyes is what they shouldn't be doing. Western Governments often are demanded by their citizens to stop from interfering in their personal freedoms (like watching porn, playing violent video games, watching questionable subject matter in films, owning firearms and so on), but we want them to save ourselves from gorging ourselves to death, or save us from the cancer we've inflicted on ourselves from smoking, or sueing the shit out of someone for actually giving in to what we wanted them to do, with us knowing full well that there is risk of causing harm to ourselves.

I really hope that there is a less sympathetic legal movement when it comes to tort law in the future. I'm so sick of governments rewarding us for our own stupidity, or even worse, people who are out there captitalizing on tort law's tendancy to reward stupidity. We want all the freedom that Western society can afford us, but none of the responsibility.
 
Originally posted by quantumize
there is a direct corrolation between obesity and poverty in the united states.


in some poor neighborhoods in america it is actually cheaper to buy mcdonalds than it is to buy groceries, especiually in small towns where giants like walmart have driven the minimun wage down.

But a lot of that has to do with the fact that huge corporations have taken over most of the beef and farming markets, using any and all means to drive down fast food prices in order to makes it a quicker, cheaper and more convenient alternative to eating healthy. Healthy foods are being phased out by companies as much as possible, since they're harder to prepare and it opposes the conveyer belt, non-skilled mentality that most fast food chains embrace when it comes to their workforce.

There is the alternative though, as the CBC Newsworld has mentionned earlier today, the Submarine market has created a growing health food market that makes tasty foods that are less inundated with fat. And that trend is catching on more and more now that we're being told that obesity is nearing epedemic levels and even exceeding the priority that cancer once held.
 
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chipotle

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by chipotle
The general sort of notion about this is that: Food is a necesity for people so taxing it only decreases the amount of quantity by little amount. I am afraid that this might only affect the least wealthy that chose to consume junk food daily and might have already established bad eating habits.

who knows?... the big companies might not like this and intervine.

I should say this is the general Economic notion about this. Not my own...sort of what I have read and stayed with me.

I have some bad eating habits that need to be controled, like... chips.. I have been able to control pop intake, beer and candy.. even donuts and most sweets..as I rarely crave them but chips.. for some reason.. I still like the Jalapeño by miss vickies.
And the odd pizza slice.
But in Canada people seem to eat healthier than in the states.
 

Ditto Much

TRIBE Member
Eating healthy is far cheaper already, adding cost to junk food isn't going to be to effective.

Really its unfortunate but I would love to see a tax on fast food outlets just because I dislike them.
 

Poot

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Ditto Much
Eating healthy is far cheaper already, adding cost to junk food isn't going to be to effective.

Actually, I find that eating well costs far more than eating fast food, or processed foods.
 

MoFo

TRIBE Member
God, I would KILL for a Filet O'Fish right now.

And I disagree. The cheapest thing always seems to be McDonald's.

I walk down Queen Street and I have $3 and 15 minutes to eat before I go into a club for the rest of the night. So all I see are the arches. Of course, I don't eat that shit so I end up starving cuz I can't pay $7 for a big meal that takes forever to make and I can't eat street meat.. there just isn't really anything healthy that's cheap. Except for maybe a slice of veggie pizza but they usually don't sell so it always looks like it's been sitting there for three days..

I've been doing pho and Jamaican lately and it adds up to not eat fast food. I mean, $9 for a jerk chicken, $7.50 for noodles.. $20 a day goes to food.. When I used to eat McDonald's, I could get away with a $3.99 McDeal. No wonder poor people are obese.

Oh, and don't get me started on Toonie Tuesdays. I used to buy 8 of those sandwiches. And have lunch, stoner snackage and dinner set for the week.
 

Ditto Much

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Jessica P
Actually, I find that eating well costs far more than eating fast food, or processed foods.

How!

Admittedly I cook myself but buying groceries based on a fairly strong fruit and fairly light dairy diet has been very cheap for me. Now admittedly I do cook my own food and I tend to avoid anything that is packaged.

Myself and my roommate ( I cook for both of us currently) are averaging in the $40 each per week category. With that I'm doing 7 dinners and lunches for two and I'm also making snacks. Now both of us are fairly good cooks so we have alott of variety in the diet and we aren't affraid to bone chicken.

What I avoid is prepared packaged foods.
 
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