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TTC Drivers and thier cellphones...

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by echootje, Oct 7, 2005.

  1. Temper Tantrum

    Temper Tantrum TRIBE Member

    this evening when i got on the bus my driver was chatting on the self phone as i got on, through a turn on a busy intersection (pretty much steering with one hand) and just kept chatting on and on non stop for a bit. It did make me a little nervous.
  2. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    all of that may be true, but since many cell-phone-using car-drivers drive much FASTER than bus drivers, a glance at the phone (and corresponding glance away from the road) is more dangerous when driving a faster car.

    all of that is beside the point, though, because i'm sure we both agree that it's dangerous for ALL drivers to use phones while driving.

    the point that we *disagree* on is whether a bus driver should be MORE responsible than other drivers becuase he/she is a bus driver. i think all drivers have the SAME legal and moral responsibility because their actions have similar potential in respect of the people most likely to get hurt (i.e. other drivers and pedestrians).

    i do see your point as well, though, so this is my last post on this topic. :)
  3. Cannabus

    Cannabus TRIBE Member

    Bluetooth :confused:

    have you not heard
  4. Boo

    Boo TRIBE Member

    Bill Nye, all your science doesn't really mean shit if I told you that even in relation to the number of vehicles on the road, that buses are about 1/10 as likely to get in an accident as cars or trucks. That would mean that there should be 10 times greater enforcement with cars and distractions.

    I would say that motorcycles are about 5 times as likely to be involved in a fatal collision than a car even. Therefore if anything, we should hold bike riders to a higher standard than our $14 an hour public servants.
  5. Boo

    Boo TRIBE Member

    I think you are (incorrectly) assuming a linear relationship in regard to mass, speed and damage. In fact I would say it would be closer to an exponential relationship.


    A car going 200km/h is not 2x as likely to get into an accident as a car going 100kph. I would (estimate) that every 20kms increases the probability by 'say' 200%. So that 200kms is anywhere from 64-1000+ times as likely to get into the accident.

    So for the same relationship a bus going 1/2 the speed of regular traffic is probably about 8-32 times less likely to get into an accident. The mass of the bus would increase probability of fatalities (like Will said it is decreased for actual passengers because of the bus' size) only if secondary vehicles are involved, and if they were occupied, and if fatal speeds were attained (again there is a exponential relationship of speed to fatalites - 10 - 20kmh crashes do not statistically relate to 1 200kmh crash.)

    Ergo, buddy should have told the driver to quit texting sure, but is a cranky old bitch for being annoyed at not being able to cause her more pain and possibly her job.
  6. Boo

    Boo TRIBE Member

    (missed the edit)

    I think the point that Will is trying to make is why is the bus driver held to a higher standard because she is getting paid to drive. I would say statistically that if a speeder overtakes you on an 80km/h road at 100km/h, they are much more likely to cause an accident. Would we feel the same kind of outrage to report this person, take their licence plates to the police station - all in the name of public safety?
  7. AshG

    AshG Member

    You can tell me whatever you like in that regard, but you really ought to back that up with some evidence before throwing out random numbers.

    Well what can i say except you're wrong about that - physics really does say P = MV.
    Its a linear product of mass and velocity.

    Ok, now you're making a point about likelihood of getting into an accident, which is something quite different from the damage caused by an accident. And your idea of correlating speed with accident probability comes from where exactly?
    You really need to back up your numbers if they're part of your argument.

    That's actually not true as buses are quite capable of hitting pedestrians as well as vehicles, not to mention structural damage to objects and the bus itself upon impact. And of course you already know i don't buy the exponential bit either.

    You know the point i was arguing with Will is that bus drivers using cell phones while driving are different from other drivers doing the same thing. While i admire your willingness to at least consider the consequences of a bus crashing into something you have to back up the details with verifiable numbers and if necessary, reputable physics and/or statistics.

    Lovin the "ergo" though - I should have thought of that!

    I don't recall mentioning wanting to report the bus driver; the argument Will and I were having was whether its different for a bus driver to be using a cell phone while driving versus a normal driver. And i think that answer to that is yes for reasons of a duty to public safety that is greater than your average driver on the road.

    As an aside, i don't think speeding actually causes more accidents, but if you'd care to reference that bit above, i'd be curious to find out more about it.
    Speeding is one of those things that really doesn't cause accidents - its making stupid decisions at speed that does it. Ergo ;) lemme know if you have some stats about that.
  8. AshG

    AshG Member

    Well I agree with all of that. Until we meet again..;)
  9. Jeffsus

    Jeffsus TRIBE Member

    yeah, until you got off the bus.

    I think you'd be shocked about how many things are very safe while texting. At this time I will not elaborate,

    PS: Don't take this negatively. I love you.

  10. Jeffsus

    Jeffsus TRIBE Member

    This is almost as funny as it is retarded.

    I mean "retarded" in the politically incorrect way.


  11. Jeffsus

    Jeffsus TRIBE Member

    Nail, head, exactly. However, "moral" is useless subjectivity.


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