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Truth Movement Article (Washington Post)

Boss Hog

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Isn't it also funny that sensationalistic people like yourself are the very reason the 9/11 Truth Movement is regarded with such ridicule?

Big Harv

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solgrabber, please comment on this article from Popular Mechanics that debunks many of the popular 9/11 myths propogated by the"Truth" Movement.
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solgrabber, please comment on this article from Popular Mechanics that debunks many of the popular 9/11 myths propogated by the"Truth" Movement.
The article in Popular Mechanics was authored by Benjamin Chertoff. Does the name sound familiar? Yes, because his cousin Michael is the head of Homeland Security.


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and Popular Mechanics seems like its commonly a propaganda front
lots of front-page shit on new military technologies, with "artists conceptions" of this and that, that someone obviously wants distributed through a "Popular" medium

edit: but Popular Mechanics for Kids was different......


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deafplayer said:
....but where is your source?
or are you another NSA agent?
No no, Solgrabber is the government agent. He works for an outfit in the Department of Defense, military intelligence psychological operations unit. His mission is to socially engineer 9/11 conspiracy hysteria throughout different message boards. The purpose of this type of information warfare is to deflect attention from the serious questions about 9/11

That being said,

On Arabian Camels:
Domesticated thousands of years ago by frankincense traders, who trained the gangly cud-chewer to make the long and arduous journey from southern Arabia to the northern regions of the Middle East, the camel went on to become the desert dweller's primary source of transport, shade, milk, meat, wool and hides.

In technologically-advanced Saudi Arabia, even the Bedouin are not as dependent on the camel as they once were. These days, camels are valued more as thoroughbred racing animals and sentimental images of the past than as the mainstay of transportation. But in many parts of Africa and Asia today, camels still pull ploughs, turn waterwheels and transport people and goods to market along desert routes unpassable by wheeled vehicles.

To appreciate the unique contribution that the Arabian camel has made to the people and history of desert lands, here's a comprehensive fact-pack on the special characteristics, body structure and behaviour patterns of this amazing creature.

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The Bedouin name for Camelus dromedarius, the 'one-hump' dromedary, also known as the Arabian camel.


Unpredictable at best. Camels have the reputation of being bad-tempered and obstinate creatures who spit and kick. In reality, they tend to be good-tempered, patient and intelligent. The moaning and bawling sound they make when they're loaded up and have to rise to their feet is like the grunting and heavy breathing of a weight-lifter in action, not a sign of displeasure at having to do some work.

Body temperature

Camels do not pant, and they perspire very little. Humans start to sweat when the outside temperature rises above the normal body temperature of 37¡C, but the camel has a unique body thermostat. It can raise its body temperature tolerance level as much as 6¡C before perspiring, thereby conserving body fluids and avoiding unnecessary water loss. No other mammal can do this. Because the camel's body temperature is often lower than air temperature, a group of resting camels will even avoid excessive heat by pressing against each other.


Camels come in every shade of brown, from cream to almost black.


A camel's ears are small, but its hearing is acute - even if, like the donkey or basset hound, it chooses to pay no attention when given a command! A camel's ears are lined with fur to filter out sand and dust blowing into the ear canal.


A camel's eyes are large, with a soft, doe-like expression. They are protected by a double row of long curly eyelashes that also help keep out sand and dust, while thick bushy eyebrows shield the eyes from the desert sun.


Camels have broad, flat, leathery pads with two toes on each foot. When the camel places its foot on the ground the pads spread, preventing the foot from sinking into the sand. When walking, the camel moves both feet on one side of its body, then both feet on the other. This gait suggests the rolling motion of a boat, explaining the camel's 'ship of the desert' nickname.


A camel can go 5-7 days with little or no food and water, and can lose a quarter of its body weight without impairing its normal functions. These days, camels rely on man for their preferred food of dates, grass and grains such as wheat and oats, but a working camel travelling across an area where food is scarce can easily survive on thorny scrub or whatever it can find - bones, seeds, dried leaves, or even its owner's tent!


All camels moult in spring and have grown a new coat by autumn. Camel hair is sought after world-wide for high-quality coats, garments and artists' brushes, as well as being used to make traditional Bedouin rugs and tents. A camel can shed as much as 2.25 kilos/5lbs of hair at each moult.

Hard skin

Thick callus-like bare spots of dry skin appear on a camel's chest and knee joints when the animal reaches five months of age. These leathery patches help support the animal's body weight when kneeling, resting and rising.


A fully-grown adult camel stands 1.85m/6 feet at the shoulder and 2.15m/7 feet at the hump.


Scientists believe that ancestors of the modern camel lived in North America at least 40 million years ago, wandering across the Alaskan 'land bridge' to Asia and eventually Africa. In Asia, two groups separated to become the two chief types of camel known today: the dromedary and the two-humped, shorter-legged Bactrian camel.


Contrary to popular belief, a camel does not store water in its hump. It is in fact a mound of fatty tissue from which the animal draws energy when food is hard to find. When a camel uses its hump fat for sustenance, the mound becomes flabby and shrinks. If a camel draws too much fat, the small remaining lump will flop from it's upright position and hang down the camel's side. Food and a few days' rest will return the hump to its normal firm condition.


A camel's long, thin legs have powerful muscles which allow the animal to carry heavy loads over long distances. A camel can carry as much as 450kg/990lbs, but a usual and more comfortable cargo weight is 150kgs/330lbs. It is usual for a camel to work as a beast of burden for only six to eight months of the year; the remainder of the time it needs to rest and recuperate.

Life span

After a gestation periods of 13 months, a camel cow usually bears a single calf, and occasionally twins. The calves walk within hours of birth, but remain close to their mothers until they reach maturity at five years of age. The normal life span of a camel is 40 years, although a working camel retires from active duty at 25.


The best camel meat comes from young male camels. It is regarded as a delicacy in the Arabian diet, and is gaining popularity in arid lands where it is difficult to herd sheep, cattle and goats. Although it makes for tough chewing, the taste is not unlike beef.


Camel's milk is much more nutritious than that from a cow. It is lower in fat and lactose, and higher in potassium, iron and Vitamin C. It is normally drunk fresh, and the warm frothy liquid, heavy and sweet, is usually an acquired taste for the Western palate. Most Saudi Arabian camels are females reared for their milk in dairy herds.


The camel has a large mouth, with 34 sharp teeth. They enable the animal to eat rough thorny bushes without damaging the lining of its mouth, and can be used as biting weapons against predators if need be. A camel gulps down its food without chewing it first, later regurgitating the undigested food and chewing it in cud form.


A camel's nasal passages are protected by large muscular nostrils that can be opened and closed at will. When a camel twitches its nose, it is cooling the incoming air and condensing moisture from its outgoing breath.


Normal 'amble speed' for a walking camel is 5kph/3mph; a working camel will typically cover 40km/25 miles a day. Racing camels can reach 20kph/12mph at the gallop.


A camel's rope-like tail is over 50cm/19" long.


Camels need very little water if their regular diet contains good, moisture-rich pasture. Although camels can withstand severe dehydration, a large animal can drink as much as 100 litres/21 gallons in ten minutes. Such an amount would kill another mammal, but the camel's unique metabolism enables the animal to store the water in its bloodstream.


A fully-grown camel can weigh up to 700kg/1542lbs.
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SellyCat said:
The history of the Icelandic horse can be traced all the way back to
the settlement of the country in the late 9th century. Vikings who settled in Iceland brought with them their horses of various origins, though mostly of Germanic descent. Some sources claim that at the time of Iceland's settlement there was a breed in Scandinavia and Northern Europe called Equus Scandinavicus. Due to the isolation of Iceland, this stock remained pure while it was crossbred elsewhere. Other sources claim that the Icelandic horse is closely related to the English Exmoor pony. Whoever its cousins may be the Icelandic horse is pure-bred and unique today, over a thousand years after first coming to the land of fire and ice.

Here's a pic of an Icelandic horse I took. They are quite tiny, albeit rugged and loyal.

Tip when visiting Iceland: Don't call Icelandic horses 'ponies' to an Icelander. They are not impressed.


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I love how there is a "truth movement" comparable to the anti-war movement.... no ones hiding who killed and maimed many hundreds of thousands of people, its right out in the open


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Adam said:

Here's a pic of an Icelandic horse I took. They are quite tiny, albeit rugged and loyal.

Tip when visiting Iceland: Don't call Icelandic horses 'ponies' to an Icelander. They are not impressed.
Yeah man, I heard about that...it's a real nation pride thing. It would be like calling an Arabian Camel a Moose, you know? People fly planes into buildings over that shit.


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Thought I would throw up a very nice post from a firefighter just to even out the thread from the usual animal fetishes a few members cannot contain from everyone else.

If I wasnt so lazy I would post some pages from my firefighting text books.

It is so simple, heat rises and creates thermal layers of different degrees. This is why we can go inside a burning building and attack the fire at its source, because the heat layer we can crawl underneath it and not get burned. The first thing we do in a structure fire is cutting a 4x4 foot hole above the fire for the superheated air to release. If the roof has been weekened we do it from the sides. The heat that escapes along with the smoke and we use the water on the fire as a giant heat sink.

This is NOT how a high rise fire is attacked. A high rise has stairwells and elevator shafts that remove the heat from the area, we then go to the floor below the fire, hook up to the buildings stand pipe, take th charged hoseline on floor above the fire-floor- make a loop and come back to the floor and attack the fire.

The combination of the heat going out the side windows, up the elevator and stairwell shafts, and the shear size of the structures steel supports coupled to the rest of the building GUARNTEES we will NOT have a global collapse. Wont happen on that type of buildiing. The rest of the building works as a heat-sink, and will not let it heat just one area to the point of failure.

There is not enough fuel to make that much heat for this to happen if you pumped it in for hours. Let alone under one hour. This is not some design flaw, its the way things work, that building absorbs and spreads the heat and it will never fail from heat.


That is why the Madrid fire made the building look like a torch and burned for 24 hours without collapse.

A brave and strong firefighter made it to the fire-floor and calmly stated. " We have to isolated fires and can knock them down with two hoselines" He did NOT say we need 2 and 1/2 inch line, he did not state we need a master stream. He said 2 hoselines, that means two 1 and 1/2 inch hoselines, about what we would use on a house fire.

Yes we do get excited and lose our cool if the fire is big enough to create huge amounts of heat, that is why we have officers who are not net to the inferno, that keep their cool and tell us what to do. That man was calm.

I dont care what some of these air people say. I am a seasoned firefighter, and EVERYONE in my battallion cannot figure out what happened to make those buildings fail. I go inside houses while they are on fire and put them out. I know what it takes for a type of structure to collapse. 9/11. Something was way wrong that day that killed 343 brothers, you gonna tell me 343 seasoned FDNY didnt know it was about to collapse!?!

You tell that to their families damnit!
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Adam said:
They are quite tiny, albeit rugged and loyal.

Tip when visiting Iceland: Don't call Icelandic horses 'ponies' to an Icelander. They are not impressed.
have you ever tried handling one? a tad head-strong.

cute little buggers though..