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Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Bernnie Federko, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Whats crazy is the round of sealing up NAFTA 2.0 in recent weeks we were told US negotiators were ready to deal with Canada and Mexico cause of how bad it was going with China, needed to put us to bed!

    And they did, it sounded like, based on deals ending Mexican and Canadian tariffs they put on us, our biggest blockage to closing the deal.

    Now he's going to blow it outta the water
  2. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    "It should have been a good day for Mexico’s veteran point man for trade with the rest of North America.

    But Jesus Seade had just wrapped up an optimistic speech to a friendly Mexican Senate, aimed at winning ratification for a regional free trade deal, when he was sideswiped.
    The message reached Seade, Mexico’s deputy foreign minister for North America, just as he arrived from the Senate at the Foreign Ministry to tell reporters about the progress on the United States-Mexico-Canada-Agreement (USMCA) he helped negotiate.
    This is difficult ... even more so between two nations trying to seal a wonderful trade deal. The best trade deal in history according to Trump himself and suddenly he throws this in the way,” Seade said.

    On Friday a delegation led by Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard, which an aide said might include Seade, will travel to Washington to try to defuse the situation before economic disaster strikes.

    Mexico imports a great deal of U.S. products, giving it scope for a large-scale retaliation.

    “If we consider that Mexico exports over $350 billion to the United States, retaliation to the measures by Mexico would be off the charts,” said Kenneth Smith, Mexico’s former chief NAFTA negotiator.

    Mexico’s reaction is not yet clear."

    How Trump’s trade tariff threat has put Mexico’s back to the wall
  3. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    The audacity it takes to criticize a guy like Trump's negotiating skills. Im gonna take a wild guess and say you're not in that line of work. Bully.... You think world politics is a kids game? What a ridiculous statement.

    Can you go more than 4 words without cursing?
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  4. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    You're basing your position on information you don't have. Do you not realize how insane that is?
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  5. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member


    So the government gets tax payer money and Manafort seizures. How in the fuck does that help the tax payers? You're literally cheering on the government using tax payerdollars on a BS investigation so they could go get some more.
  6. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    THey took in 10s of millions of dollars to government coffers - now this didn't go back to the mueller investigation, a lot went to the state of New York

    Just saying - the investigation found ways to get money from thieves who have been bilking taxpayers for years, like Manafort.

    Probably more fines and recoveries to come amongst all the other investigations this one kicked off.

    Looking at high level - what public spends on the investigation/what public gets back - probably whole enterprise will turn a profit.

    You need to stop citing the cost of the investigation like it means something.
  7. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    SO glad i wasn't sipping my coffee when I read this
  8. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    Tax payer money always means something. My point being, is that the new taking point is the investigation never could've indicted him anyways? So what was the point? Complete waste of money

    Star said Clinton was guilty of numerous crimes. They still lost the court case. You think impeachment will happen with no crimes? There's a reason Mueller didn't recommend it. There's no case. So he predictably tosses out a speculation bomb then goes 'I'm stepping down. Peace. Oh and no questions' like what?
  9. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Its not a waste of money if it generated taxpayer returns from seizures and fines commensurate with or even exceeding the taxpayer outlay on the investigation.

  10. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Doesn't take audacity, just Knowing Stuff About Diplomacy/Foreign Policy to criticize Trump's "negotiating skills", the latest from his failures with NK:

    That no one is even talking about these types of deep, painful swaps in the United States is a bright red flag that Washington is not serious. Instead, policymakers just keep demanding and demanding that North Korea give their weapons away. Of course, they will not, and so America is stuck. Fifteen months of negotiation has generated no progress because the Americans can not bring themselves to countenance a genuinely painful concession. So the North Koreans give Washington nothing real in return, and here we are, at that same place everyone started.

    The Obstacles to Productive Diplomacy with North Korea

    Negotiations with North Korea have been plagued by the administration’s insistence on complete disarmament from the start, but their misguided maximalism is just a product of a general unwillingness in the U.S. to accept that North Korea won’t ever be giving up all of its nuclear weapons. Once our policymakers and politicians declare something to be unacceptable, it takes a very long time for them to acknowledge that they have to accept it. For decades the U.S. said it would not tolerate North Korea’s acquisition of nuclear weapons. Then they acquired them and the U.S. discovered that our government couldn’t do anything about it without incurring unacceptably high costs. In the end, the U.S. found that there are things much more unacceptable than North Korean nuclear weapons, and so we are one step closer to tacitly accepting them. We still haven’t taken the final step of recognizing that it is North Korea’s status as a nuclear weapons state that won’t be reversed.

    Another obstacle to successful diplomacy with North Korea is that the U.S. has proven to be pretty bad at negotiating with weaker states and then even worse when it comes to honoring the agreements made with them. It was eight years between the deal struck with Gaddafi in Libya and the U.S.-led intervention to overthrow him. It took less than three years from the time the U.S. concluded a deal with Iran until the next administration arbitrarily reneged on it. The Agreed Framework didn’t last more than a decade before the Bush administration blew it up and put us on the path to the current impasse. The problem isn’t just that other states have good reason not to trust the U.S. to keep up our end of the bargain, but that these agreements are unusually vulnerable to sabotage by the domestic political opponents of the administrations that negotiated them.

    Agreements with weaker states don’t do well in our political system because there is a widely-shared assumption in Washington that the U.S. shouldn’t have settled for whatever it got from the other side and should have forced bigger concessions. These states are perceived to be just threatening enough to be distrusted, but weak enough that we shouldn’t have to compromise with them. Republican hawks are most likely to exploit this to their advantage, but we have seen some similar posturing from Democratic hawks over North Korea talks that shows how difficult it would be for Trump to sell an agreement with North Korea if he ever managed to get one. We need to remember that most of the criticism of Trump’s engagement with North Korea has been that he has been too accommodating to the DPRK rather than too inflexible and maximalist, and that bodes ill for the durability of any potential agreement.
  11. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    King of Debt just sent torpedoes into the USMCA/NAFTA 2.0

    Threat of U.S. tariffs on Mexico roils markets, dims hopes for new NAFTA | CBC News

    Chris Krueger, of Cowen Washington Research Group, speculated the new trade turmoil would leave any new Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) dead in the water.​

    "Trump unveiled a one-two punch that we believe will make [CUSMA] extremely hard to pass in both Mexico and the U.S. Our base case yesterday was that [the deal] would be ratified into law by the end of the year — we do not see a path for that now," he wrote in a note to clients.
    In the meantime, investors are fleeing the risk, says Derek Holt of Scotiabank Economics.

    "When trade negotiations and deals prove to be worthless because the U.S. signature has been debased, then the only fair assumption is to brace for soured trade and investment prospects across the global economy, including in the U.S." he said, describing the mood in the markets.​
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  12. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    I see now they seem to use CUSMA instead of what Trump wanted intially to call the deal, USMCA - CUSMA rolls off the tongue better but also sounds kind of dirty

    As in, "a pool of CUSMA on the mattress was an unsettling discovery that caused us to notify the motel manager"
  13. Mondieu

    Mondieu TRIBE Member

    Criticizes the use of curse words and then proceeds to use curse words.

    I guess we can add “fucking hypocrite” to Shit-stain’s illustrious list of attributes.
  14. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Also doesn't understand how investigations return money to the taxpayers, evidently, through fines and seizures from thieving scumbags.

  15. Mondieu

    Mondieu TRIBE Member


    A covfefe heart and CUSMA-for-brains. ...no doubt the result of a steady diet of hamberder helper. ;)
  16. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    IAEA Confirms Iranian Compliance for the Fifteenth Time
    Posted on May 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Daniel Larison

    Despite more than a year of U.S. violations and unjustified sanctions, Iran is still complying with the nuclear deal. This is the fifteenth consecutive report from the IAEA that confirms Iranian compliance:

    The U.N. atomic watchdog says Iran continues to stay within the limitations set by the nuclear deal reached in 2015 with major powers, though its stockpiles of low-enriched uranium and heavy water are growing.

    In a confidential quarterly report distributed to member states Friday and seen by The Associated Press, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Iran has stayed within key limitations set in the so-called Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA.​

    Iran has honored its commitments under the JCPOA without interruption for more than three and a half years. In exchange, Iran’s trust was betrayed and the Iranian people have been punished with a severe sanctions regime. The nuclear deal did exactly what it was supposed to do for the P5+1, but the promised sanctions relief for Iran was slow in coming and then arbitrarily snatched away for no good reason. Iranians can be forgiven for thinking that it was a mistake to negotiate away their leverage with the U.S. and the other major powers, and that is what most Iranians now believe. Iran’s continued compliance in the face of the outrageous treatment from the Trump administration has been remarkable, and all the more so when we remember that opponents of the agreement insisted that Iranian cheating was a foregone conclusion. The JCPOA is still alive, and it may survive until there is a new administration in Washington, but it won’t last much longer if the next administration does not hasten to rejoin it and lift all of the sanctions that have been imposed since May 2018.

    In response to the economic war being waged against them, the Iranian government recently announced that it would not be bound by the restrictions on its stockpiles of low-enriched uranium and heavy water. Daryl Kimball explains the implications:

    In response to U.S. moves to further tighten sanctions earlier this spring, Iran announced on May 8 that it would no longer adhere to JCPOA limits on stockpiling heavy water and low-enriched uranium. Iran also gave the other parties to the agreement (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the European Union) 60 days to help it thwart U.S. sanctions on oil sales and banking transactions, or else it will take additional measures with more significant proliferation implications.

    With its existing heavy-water production and uranium-enrichment capacities, Iran could soon breach some of these limits. Any violation of JCPOA restrictions is cause for concern, but Iran’s plan to exceed the agreement’s limits on storing more than 130 metric tons of heavy water and 300 kilograms of 3.67-percent enriched uranium-235 would not pose an immediate proliferation risk. By comparison, in June 2015 Iran had a stockpile of approximately 11,500 kilograms of LEU in all forms. It takes roughly 1,050 kilograms of LEU in gas form and enriched to weapons-grade to produce a significant quantity for one bomb.​

    Trump administration officials are already quick to cite this as their pretext for accusing Iran of seeking nuclear weapons, but their claims are false. If Iran exceeds some of these limits, it will be doing so only in response to the absurd U.S. pressure campaign and it will be taking the least provocative action possible. It is a warning to the other parties of the agreement that they have to do more to salvage the situation and provide Iran with more of the benefits it was promised. Iran’s record of consistent compliance with the deal proves that they don’t want to violate it if they don’t have to, but U.S. punitive measures are making it impossible for them not to react. If the deal is going to survive, Iran can’t be the only party to the agreement that fully honors its commitments.
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  17. wickedken

    wickedken TRIBE Member

    This pretty much sums up the comedy of errors happening in the WH, and that bunch still expect anybody to "agree" with them... and pray they don't alter the deal further.
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  18. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    You just love giving away money to the government don't you. lirl

    Force all citizens to fund a democrat hit job. That'll sit well with voters.
  19. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    Not surprised your reading comprehension is lacking. 1 curse word in a 21 word post. You gotta spread it out a bit. I see you must still be in Raptors mode as you don't want to debate the facts and evidence.

    Nobody has explained to me why the investigation was launched in the first place if they knew it couldn't do anything? If Mueller knew this from the beginning...why did he drag it out 2 years? According to him his findings would be irrelevant. As he can't indict. How can you guys not see how blatant of a hit job this is? The entire Mueller investigation was misdirection. And you all keep doubling down every time what your promised blows up in your face.

    I just don't get it. Put your feelings for Trump aside. The democrats weaponized US intelligence and law enforcement to attack an opposition campaign. That's Banana Republic shit that both sides of the aisle should be very concerned about.
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  20. ndrwrld

    ndrwrld TRIBE Member

    can't wait to see what Spading has next
  21. ndrwrld

    ndrwrld TRIBE Member

    oh, there he is.

    nothing to say.
  22. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    you could answer the question i asked in my last post
  23. Mondieu

    Mondieu TRIBE Member

    Shit-stain thinks the Mueller report was supposed to lead to an end.
    Shit-stain doesn't realize that, if he shuts his yap, reads it and pays attention - it will.
    Shit-stain hasn’t the foggiest clue about the process of law or departmental policy based on long-standing Constitutional interpretation.
    Shit-stain is in denial about the fact that there are still numerous relevant legal investigations underway.
    Shit-stain is about “whataboutism”.
    Shit-stain is aok tripling-down on his support for a lying, cheating, misogynistic, racist, welshing, divisive, violence-inciting, fake-ass Christian, pseudo-businessman, illiterate, tiny-handed, weak-ass bankrupting little bitch.

    Know what you do with a shit-stain?
    You scrub the fucking bowl and then you flush.

    Now. ...”whatabout her emails”?
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  24. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    -No. I thought it was a hitjob a long time ago based on the facts. Turns out I'm right. It was the left and the democrats saying It's Mueller time for 2 years not me.
    -Please tell me more about the information you don't have. lirl
    -There's no evidence against TRump. Yet you think he's committed a crime. You can't even grasp the basic fundamentals of the law. Innocent until proven guilty.
    -Muh investigations. Just like all the rest that blew up in your face? Including the Mueller report. Hahaha. You'll have to excuse me if I laugh at your predictions.
    -Project much? The point you argue directly above that is whataboutism. lirl. Jesus christ...
    -uhhhhh. sure.

    about Clinton's illegal email server that had classified docs on them? A felony that you just choose to ignore? What about em?
  25. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    "what about her emails?" = such a strong closer!

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