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Trump Presidency

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Bernnie Federko, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    The most recent example being Manafort. He signed a plea deal with Mueller! Evidence he's flipped. We got Trump now!

    Then Mueller leaks he's lying. Making it crystal clear he did not flip. And the same people now skip past being wrong once again and say once again.... We got him now! *Sigh*
     
  2. ndrwrld

    ndrwrld TRIBE Member

  3. So you don't think his flip floping/bi polar tweets didn't have any effect on how people perceived that we might be headed towards a war?

    And seriously, if you're thinking that because they got the remains of fallen soldiers is a decent consolation for the NK nuclear program going ahead full steam, I think you might want to question your priorities when it comes to a decent compromise/deal.
     
  4. I know, hindsight's a fucking trip huh? When you see it in the here and now, everything seems dumb and avoidable or completely obvious.
     
  5. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    All I'm saying is Why is he
    I didn't. The media that loves to hype up anything to attack Trump did. And they're very effective obviously. If it's pretty much the same.... Why is he taking any heat? I don't remember the Obama administration taking heat for accomplishing the same as you've said. He also didn't bring back any soldiers.

    There's plenty of ways to go at Trump. NK us not one of them imho
     
  6. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    I just find it funny that people who are perpetually wrong about the Russian collusion nonsense think there opinion is worth anything at this point. If I had a dime for every time the goal post was moved I could retire.
     
  7. Mondieu

    Mondieu TRIBE Member

    Lol! If I had a dime for every dim soul on the pre-sale list for tickets to the upcoming Trump Legal Defence Gala @ Maralago, I could retire.
     
  8. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    Only been saying that for 2 years now and still not a lick of evidence to support it. Endless speculation that is wrong time and time again yet people still listen to it. Tomorrow though right? Lol
     
  9. I don't remember Obama's approach being a provocation via Twitter towards any nuclear power - not Iran, not NK.

    The Obama administration was to refuse engagement except through strict diplomatic channels - they were smart enough to know that a face to face meeting with Kim Jong Il or Kim Jong Un would be a propaganda coup that would only benefit NK, like it did with Trump. While for the most part ignoring North Korea unless they acted up wasn't a perfect strategy, but it was more of a slow road, waiting for NK to collapse.

    Trump meeting with Kim Jong Un is a message to any emerging nuclear power of what to do to get ahead.
     
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  10. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Trump's amateur hour on NK is no reason to think him competent at foreign policy either. It was ham handed and the admin has basically lied about the whole thing continuously, vainly hoping their claims of progress last them until the next election is over.

    So i mean, pretty slim pickings in terms of things to give Trump credit for.
     
  11. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  12. That third one, the mystery person I'm guessing is Corsi.
     
  13. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Giving Donald a good grade on north Korea is like giving rob ford one for p3 subway station development of their air rights. Yeah both tried hamhandedly to push on that shit, but being honest, they got fuck all done.

    Didn't help either they lack municipal/state department experience... But hey, let's put trust fund fuck ups in the cockpit, what could possibly happen?

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Do you know how long Watergate took?

    How long do you think it takes to build a case?
     
  15. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Putin let Trump know who's calling the shots: yo bitch, didnt Russia say publicly we'd have a fucking meeting? You're coming to a fucking meeting with me for your next instructions bitch!

     
  16. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Prison Prag does what it's told
     
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  17. The basis of the argument is always "but he got something done!" and that something is usually the most basic, lowest bar possible, and even if they fuck that up, it's still considered "something" - even if their predecessors did far more before them.
     
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  18. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    One night in Buenos Aires could define Donald Trump's presidency. Within a few hours, Trump telegraphed ambivalence about the two issues that have defined his time in politics: China and the wall.

    • On China, Trump eased free traders' concerns by agreeing to freeze the trade war for 90 days — keeping the tariffs at 10% instead of ratcheting up to 25% — in the hope that the Chinese will crack down on fentanyl exports, buy a "very substantial" amount of U.S. products and, for the first time, earnestly address their bad behavior including theft of American intellectual property.
    • On the wall,Trump signaled he's prepared to sign a temporary government funding bill to delay a shutdown fight for two weeks.
    Why it matters: Trump's comments mean the next three months may define his presidency. His first term is slipping away from him. On the trail, he promised to build a wall. But almost two years into his presidency, he's barely built anything. He also promised to force China to end its abuse of American businesses. But China hasn't changed in any meaningful way.

    • The Chinese are doing what they always do: making vague promises of reform and seeking to delay confrontation while continuing to steal intellectual property and abuse trade rules.
    • "The principal agreement has effectively prevented further expansion of economic friction between the two countries" and has opened up "new space for win-win cooperation," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yitold reporters after the dinner.
    In the coming weeks and months, Trump must decide what means he will use to force these two seemingly impossible outcomes: getting Democrats to pay for his wall and getting China to stop stealing from American companies.

    Behind the scenes: China hawks may have more reason to be concerned given that stock futures are way up on the G20 news. In the wake of Buenos Aires, I spoke to two sources familiar with Trump's thinking on China, and both said they worry he's too concerned about keeping the stock market buoyant to risk tanking it by hitting China with new tariffs. A stock market boost on Monday could reinforce Trump’s instincts. (Which would suit free traders Larry Kudlow and Steven Mnuchin just fine.)

    • These hawks worry the Chinese can drag the "dialogue" with the Trump administration beyond the 90 days, delaying action from a president hobbled by looming Democratic subpoenas, a special counsel investigation and a wobbly stock market.
    • "Everything has got to be seen through the prism of the investigation and needing short-term micro tactical wins," said one of these concerned hawks. "And that's why the stock market going up is a win."
    • "The whole effort with China has been brought to a grinding halt," the source argued, comparing the delay to a short-term continuing resolution to kick the government funding fight down the road.
    The bottom line: "Elections have consequences," the source added. "The defeat in November leads to compromises in December on the wall and trade — and we haven't yet begun '19."
     
  19. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    Personally I disagree. But then we're just arguing tactics. I don't see how things get better with less communication.
     
  20. spaboy

    spaboy TRIBE Member

    He did pretty good negotiating with us and Mexico. And look what's happening now in China. His sanctions are working.
     
  21. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    We are in the middle of reactions to his trade policy, there are downsides too - such as fraying of relations with key trade partners and market volatility.

    We have to see how it plays out. NAFTA 2.0 is more fine tuning of the status quo, an iteration not a revolution. We will have to see how it plays out.

    The china thing is in a momentary truce with no big things settled.

    There are some ways the Orange Minstrel can claim some small momentary progress on some files, as i said, looking for corn kernels in a shit pile/kind of a stopped clock is right twice a day thing.
     
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  22. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    In other news, someone hilariously created a URL for a Rudy tweet with a fake URL created by typo:



    Click it!
     
  23. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    #TrumpLeague<BushLeague

     
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  24. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    No but he's trying to get "it" done bro. He's engaged north Korea and he hasn't been indicted or whatever yet ... MAGA
     
  25. I like that no one is calling Trump "Mr. President" when addressing him anymore internationally. It's like they're signalling "You're not going to be around much longer".
     

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