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Trump 2018!

el presidente Highsteppa

el presidente Highsteppa

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Post-debate, Trump Pulls Clear of Competition - CNNPolitics.com

Wow.

The poll suggests those behind Trump love him: He holds a 98% favorability rating among his supporters. But those Republican voters who aren't supporting Trump are skeptical that he would help the party. Most Republicans (58%) say the party would have a better chance to win in 2016 with someone else at the top of the ticket, including 72% of those who don't currently back the businessman.
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That's some serious mixed messaging. The Republicans are in worse shape than I ever thought possible.

And even the Fox News poll has Clinton winning by 5 points.
 
praktik

praktik

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Well the real elephant in the room has been the epistemic closure of the past few decades as the Purity Battles have waged around a core set of stagnant "principles" that haven't changed since 1983.

What's changed is that more and more "normals" have been purged from the party over the years, leaving a weird, concentrated slate of candidates all eagerly trying to say the same thing to please a revanchist base incensed by Talk Radio and the "outrage factory" approach of Fox News.

So i mean, the signs have been around for a long while - this is the bitter fruit of intellectual stagnation and purity contests
 
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el presidente Highsteppa

el presidente Highsteppa

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DJ Vuvu Zela said:
a very interesting take on Trump:

How Donald Trump May Just Rescue the Republican Party|Ali A. Rizvi
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It is a very interesting take

But the question that they're avoiding is how does the Republican party purge the stupid and get out of the tribalism that's gotten them there in the first place?

There's a lot of angry people that are pissed about how Washington is run, but they have no desire to purge their own idiot that they elected, even when he's part of the problem. That anger and the refusal to even entertain compromise of any kind (which further feeds their frustration, as it's kind of hard to be in a position of leverage when your party can't get anything passed because of this lack of willingness to hear the other side's point of view) could blind voters enough to go even further down the spectrum, as they often seeing the problem as not being right wing enough.
 
el presidente Highsteppa

el presidente Highsteppa

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praktik said:
Well the real elephant in the room has been the epistemic closure of the past few decades as the Purity Battles have waged around a core set of stagnant "principles" that haven't changed since 1983.

What's changed is that more and more "normals" have been purged from the party over the years, leaving a weird, concentrated slate of candidates all eagerly trying to say the same thing to please a revanchist base incensed by Talk Radio and the "outrage factory" approach of Fox News.

So i mean, the signs have been around for a long while - this is the bitter fruit of intellectual stagnation and purity contests
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But that's what the Republicans have always been - about 30 years behind in what they think is an "ideal time", hoping that nostalgia will trump (pun not intended) and memory of some of the negative aspects of that time (ie. the Cold War getting ramped up by Reagan again when he took office, the Iran/Contra arms deal, etc.). Reagan kept invoking how good life was in the 50's over and over again, like it was some kind of Disneyland.

They've got to start looking forward in order to really have a chance at being taken seriously - anticipate the problems instead of denying they exist, and stop looking backwards with the idea that if they go back to their old ways, somehow shit like climate change, equal rights and other subjects just magically go away.
 
Bernnie Federko

Bernnie Federko

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el presidente Highsteppa said:
But that's what the Republicans have always been - about 30 years behind in what they think is an "ideal time", hoping that nostalgia will trump (pun not intended) and memory of some of the negative aspects of that time (ie. the Cold War getting ramped up by Reagan again when he took office, the Iran/Contra arms deal, etc.). Reagan kept invoking how good life was in the 50's over and over again, like it was some kind of Disneyland.

They've got to start looking forward in order to really have a chance at being taken seriously - anticipate the problems instead of denying they exist, and stop looking backwards with the idea that if they go back to their old ways, somehow shit like climate change, equal rights and other subjects just magically go away.
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^^^this

There's nothing really progressive in their tent for the non upper class
 
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randyval

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el presidente Highsteppa said:
Among the Republican base, sure. But the last few presidential cycles, the base has been indecisive and fickle. Look at how all over the place they were in 2012 - this is worse.

When he 's compared to Hilary, he loses by double digits.
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according to latest polls hes within -6 points up from -22 in June., some states even leading Hillary
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 Presidential Polls
CNN/ORC Poll: Trump now competitive in general election - CNNPolitics.com
 
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el presidente Highsteppa

el presidente Highsteppa

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And the candidate Deez Nuts is moving up the ranks as well.

Deez Nuts could give Donald Trump a run for his money in U.S. presidential race - Trending - CBC News

9% in North Carolina, 8% in Iowa.

We've still got over a year to go - front runners this early usually flame out when the race starts to get serious. For Trump to keep up this momentum until November 2016, his policies to be taken seriously (many of which he hasn't even revealed, other than that fantasy of "We'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it"), is unlikely and would be nothing short of miraculous if he did.

In 2008, McCain was practically polling at 3% around this time of the year, and he eventually became the nominee, same for Romney (not sure of what his percentage was, but he certainly wasn't a leader). The Republican establishment would be out of their mind if they let Trump be the candidate - someone with little history of loyalty to the party, prone to saying a lot of stupid shit ("I'd scare the Pope!") and risk their future with any growth in voter groups like the Latino vote, women and anyone else that Trump will upset (they'll be more) from now until November 2016.

I still honestly think that Trump is trying to do something like Sarah Palin - get some kind of a SuperPAC in place and get a guaranteed yearly income fleecing idiots that think if they contribute, that Trump will make a serious run at the White House. He doesn't really need it like Palin does, but it would be another source of income.
 
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SneakyPete

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Tonight's debate

Trump is throwing shade at Rand Paul. lol

"First of all, Rand Paul shouldn't even be on this stage. He's got like 1% support"

Paul accused Trump of attacking people on their looks. Trump says "I never attacked [Paul] on his look and, believe me, there's plenty of subject matter right there." looool
 
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