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The Toronto Real Estate Market

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by kuba, Oct 21, 2009.

  1. kuba

    kuba TRIBE Member

    is crazy. nuts. insane. house goes up for sale, open house, some private viewings, maybe a home inspection, sells. BOOM. insane! I hate the idea behind competition. Bids should be transparent, no? How do we know what we're up against?

    I'm not an interested buyer right now - but boy do I feel sorry for those who are.
     
  2. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member

    it's ridiculous. Im even getting involved in multiple offers on rentals. there is no inventory. no idea what people are waiting for.
    Listings will rise though, in the new year.
    some stats for those interested...

    In the first two weeks of October, Greater Toronto REALTORS reported 3,631 sales – up 34 per cent compared to the first two weeks of October 2008.

    The average price for these transactions was up 17 per cent year-over-year to $414,479.
     
  3. Flashy_McFlash

    Flashy_McFlash Well-Known TRIBEr

    Is it really that much crazier than summer 07? It does seem pretty hairy out there.
     
  4. AshG

    AshG Member

    not to say its not a busy market, but you ARE, after all, comparing the now to what was probably the absolute worst economic month in the past several decades - of course its going to be up an assload from then.
     
  5. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member

    correct. I was directly comparing to last year.
    Ill paste more...

    "While demand for existing homes has remained strong, it is important to recognize the
    context of current statistics. We are now making comparisons to the fall of 2008 when we
    experienced a marked decline in sales and average price," said TREB President Tom
    Lebour.
    Year-to-date sales, at 69,964 are up six per cent compared to 2008. Average price, at
    $389,687, is up by two per cent.
     
  6. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member


    there's less inventory, so it's actually much worse for individual buyers. and renters, as it would seem.
     
  7. saskboy

    saskboy TRIBE Member

    how does it breakdown houses vesus condos?

    are they both strong?
     
  8. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member

    I cant paste actual figures for that unless I went through and worked it out. what we get is a breakdown by district. just looking at a few popular ones, yes, both strong.

    people just need to get their confidence back and start listing and we'll be in a nice place on all ends.

    here's a quote that backs up what I pasted earlier as beyond just positivity compared to the last dismal year..

    “Existing home sales will finish
    strong this year, pushing through
    the 80,000 mark and moving in
    line with some of the best years
    on record under the current TREB
    market area,” according to Jason
    Mercer, TREB’s Senior Manager of
    Market Analysis.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2009
  9. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Toronto's population projections are set to rise into the near future so it's only natural that our market will be healthy for a while. Still, insanely low lending rates are injecting a lot of hot air into the market. I hope the powers at be are paying attention to the systemic risk that brings.
     
  10. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member


    I wont be able to sleep yet, so I might as well dive into this can of worms for a bit. The way the system is currently set up, if I want to engage multiple offers on my listing, Ill set the price a bit low (this isnt fooling any other agents, it's really more of a 'look at me, Im going for multiples') and hold back offers for a week. so on 'offer day', typically I can expect at least 4 offers. now, price isnt the only factor at all. Ive seen lower offers accepted because of fewer clauses like financing or inspections omitted. then again, in june, an agent in my office was in an situation where 18 offers were registered and the listing sold 82,000 over asking. insanity. and this was south etobicoke, not king west.
    Im on the fence with the ethics involved. on one hand, yes, I think there should be transparency, but I dont know how that could work in these scenarios. all offers are coming in within a matter of a couple hours. how would agent A know what agent B did. if the process were to last a few days on a less popular listing, then sure, this could work out I suppose.
    on the other hand, it is fair in its own right. you have one chance, and youre going to regret it either way. if you win, you'll think you paid too much. if you lose, chances are youre pissed with your agent. I advise people to consider it all carefully and come up with a figure that is within their means and matches their enthusiam to the property. I provide opinion given my estimations from experience, but I dont press. keeps my reputation safe.
    you have to remember, everyone else is in the same boat.
     
  11. Rajio

    Rajio Well-Known TRIBEr

    On this subject, why does every realtor think we care what they look like? Every realtor puts their glamorshot on everything, bigger than their name. Bigger than their phone number. like dude, i dont give a shit what you look like. just buy/sell my property. this isn't a date.
     
  12. Bass-Invader

    Bass-Invader TRIBE Member

    i hope this holds up through next year.
     
  13. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    here's something I've noticed.

    Just to use the several examples I've seen recently about home sales... Toronto Life had a feature on a realtor who sold some crazy number of houses in a month, way more than usual, like one a day or more. But looking at the final price compared to asking, almost all of them were below asking. Then two of my friends sold their houses recently for slightly below asking. Then I keep seeing stuff in the globe's real estate featured sales and most of them are below asking (usually only 5-10 grand, very few above asking)...

    What I'm wondering is if there isn't some scotching of the data here when people say houses are selling for x% above last year's average price, does this mean that the valuations out there were dramatically higher than the realistic (selling) price, but the real price was still a bit higher than last year? Are real estate agents overvaluing homes on purpose to give buyers the perception they're getting a deal when they bargain the seller down?

    It wouldn't surprise me if this isn't some new trend among realtors. Just like the trend of holding back offers took hold a few years back.
     
  14. AshG

    AshG Member

    again, considering EVERYTHING was at record lows last year, its almost impossible not to make some farbricated % gain over what something might have sold at last year, but its a meaningless number since those who sold recently didn't in fact sell last year.

    its the same thing with any commodity, stocks included.

    its all a shell game until the moment you actually buy - and then later - sell.

    who in their right mind would have sold in last year's conditions?
    only those in desperate need of capital, so its hardly a basis for comparison.

    moreover, who bought at those record lows to begin with?
    as with all commodities, you have to look at long term trends to determine % gain, otherwise almost ANY kind of % gain is possible, if you choose your time periods of comparision just right.... Oct 2008 vs Oct. 2009 for example.
     
  15. vinder

    vinder TRIBE Member

    realtors are sleazeballs.
     
  16. mingster

    mingster TRIBE Member

    our neighbourhood is RETARDED right now.

    yes. : (
     
  17. Fillmore

    Fillmore TRIBE Member

    The report just came out last week for our building. The condos are on the market for an average of 4-6 days. They amount of money people are making is insane right now too.
     
  18. guysmiley

    guysmiley TRIBE Member

    There's never been an issue with people leveraging low rates to buy homes they couldn't otherwise afford.
     
  19. vinder

    vinder TRIBE Member

    let's be honest, almost ~50% of the cost of a house is mortage interest. the selling price of a house is not reflective of the true cost. if interest rates are lowered, people's buying power increases. it's not a reflection of their ability to pay for a $500k house.

    low interest rates have been a reality for years, expecting a jump back to the double digits like in the late 80's early 90's is unrealistic.

    now people buying houses in the hopes of flipping them quickly and failing when they can't even afford the house, that's another story altogether. that's just a poor business decision.
     
  20. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member

    my card has no picture. I agree it's totally ridiculous.
     
  21. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member

    I was a sleazeball in my early childhood, so this was a natural progression.
     
  22. vinder

    vinder TRIBE Member

    you could provide engine oil for a fleet of taxis by running your hand through your hair
     
  23. groovespinna

    groovespinna TRIBE Member

    it's really low viscosity.
     
  24. Rajio

    Rajio Well-Known TRIBEr

    honestly, i would hire and trust you based on this post
     
  25. rawd

    rawd TRIBE Member

    There was an awesome one that used to be on my route home. Guaranteed it was a Glamour Shot, holding an older fat Blackberry, smokey Photoshop filter. She would make all your dreams come true
     

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