Truer words have never been spoken.Originally posted by Gunark
reading this thread, it's kind of amusing to see how everyone sees what they want to see (probably including myself!)... just shows you there's really no best style for the leaders to take on for these debates... act "passionately", and half the electorate (the ones that already don't like you) will perceive you as "manic"... focus on stating your message, and a lot of viewers will say you are a bad debater...
people don't watch these debates objectively (even though we all like to think we do). Everyone goes in with preconceived notions, and then spends the hour looking for reasons to validate those notions. The best the leaders can do is show up and be careful not to say anything outrageously stupid.
Sarah and I did a project on the Toronto Island when I was in grade 10 at Northern in Urban Studies.Originally posted by acheron
Layton's alright - so's Olivia - I partied with his daughter Sarah - she went to Northern Secondary School... a few years younger than me but I distinctly recall going to a party at the Layton-Chow's and sure enough Jack took me with him (I was 19) to buy booze for Sarah's birthday party or something... she was like, 17 at the time. Oh, and they definitely smoke up. At least, they did 15 years ago.
Crap I almost went to Northern at the same time as nawberry! Just missed ya...Originally posted by nawberry
Sarah and I did a project on the Toronto Island when I was in grade 10 at Northern in Urban Studies.
I don't really remember what our goal or thesis was, we did take a video of the island, and that was about it.
If Jack is anything like his daughter then the NDP should be easy to work with, but not a scene stealer.
I for one am looking forward to a massive deficit, a new sales tax or three, and maybe a nice free trade agreement with China.Originally posted by AdRiaN
Uh oh ... time for everyone on Tribe to start packing up for Europe.
You know what's funny? In my youth during the 1980s, I actually used to hate Brian Mulroney and I especially hated free trade.Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
A conservative government in control of Canada? We barely even made it through the Mulroney years alive.
That has nothing to do with Mulroney or the late Progressive Conservative Party. This particular dispute started in 2001 when the Liberal government could not agree with the American government to extend/renegotiate the 1996 Softwood Lumber Agreement, which incidentally, was created by a Liberal government.Originally posted by Flashy_McFlash
Well there's the obvious example of the Americans reneging on the Softwood deals.
Originally posted by Boss Hog
Harper and Martin talk a lot of shit. It's not hard to tell when someone is lying or conveniently withholding something.
Looking at Harper, I see someone who says he's out for family values while really catering to big business. He'll justify it by saying that looking after big business protects the economy, which protects people. This has been proven time and time again to be faulty logic. His smirk is extremely presumptuous and arrogant, and not to be trusted. He comes off as a used car salesman.
Originally posted by Flashy_McFlash
I hope that they physically separate. Line up every Quebecer along the border with pickaxes and break it off from Canada. Then use rockets or something so they can all go back to freaking Russia or France or wherever. They can take the Maritimes too.
Originally posted by Pyeddo
Anyone ever think if Quebec separated that the US would court them?
I mean really... who would want QC... but its an interesting situation should it arise.
Oh, btw Quebec, feel free to leave... we'd just like back the hospitals, roads, water-line infastructre... etc. that came out of federal pockets.
i gre up in northern ontario. and boy did we hate mulroney. ndp family all teh way. they got less ndp after rae days wreaked havoc on our income (single income family from my mom who's a teacher.) and i think they voted liberal after that (willing to bet they're back to ndp now but i don't know for sure.) of course, it's always liberal anyway, mike brown has owned algoma from time immemorial.Originally posted by AdRiaN
You know what's funny? In my youth during the 1980s, I actually used to hate Brian Mulroney and I especially hated free trade.
Guess that's what happens when you grow up in northern Ontario.
In 2001 while you can spin it as a Liberal negotiation problem, in all honesty the Americans didn't want to extend the agreement.Originally posted by Colm
That has nothing to do with Mulroney or the late Progressive Conservative Party. This particular dispute started in 2001 when the Liberal government could not agree with the American government to extend/renegotiate the 1996 Softwood Lumber Agreement, which incidentally, was created by a Liberal government.
I didn't get to see the English or French debates, but the few reports I've noticed were fairly critical of all involved. In one's most impartial opinion, which leader did well? Who sucked? Should it be requisite that all party leaders be born in Quebec? What now for the Green Party?
I think you missed the other person's post. He/She stated the Softwood Lumber issue was the fault of the Conservatives - so I pointed out that it wasn't. I didn't'spin' it as a Liberal negotiation problem, just as a problem which had nothing to do with the Conservatives, old party or new.Originally posted by Bass-Invader
In 2001 while you can spin it as a Liberal negotiation problem, in all honesty the Americans didn't want to extend the agreement.