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the talking heads talk: the debate thread

LivingRoomPornstar

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Originally posted by Boss Hog


So that leaves us with NDP and Green Party. And just because he was the only man who said anything that made sense (when he actually answered the question he was asked) and because he didn't come across as a liar, I am most likely to vote NDP. Unless of course I decide to vote Green. :p
What's your feeling on the party bias in NFLD, dude?

Do you think the liberals will take a hit this time around?

There are a number of issues that weren't addressed by Mr. Martin that directly affect the well being of Atlantic Canada, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.
 

Boss Hog

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I'm not sure actually, I haven't done much socializing or talking about politics with anyone out here. I tend to disagree with what some of the baymen think. :) Especially when it comes to "free Newfoundland" and all that shit.

They seem to really be loving Danny Williams though, so I don't know if that will have a spill over effect on the federal candidates.

I still feel pretty new here, it will probably take me a bit longer to adapt and mesh with the political climate.
 

dvs

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personally, i also immensely enjoyed the look on harper's face every time he got shot down by the poker face of layton after every attempt to make any comments implying that the ndp'ers were in agreement with the conservatives on many platform issues and implying that they were somehow supporting the conservative ideals. ha ha ha layton was stone cold each time.

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Gunark

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Sunshyne Jones
anyone going to watch the French debate tonight too? i think it'll be interesting to watch at least part of it, with English translation of course or else i'd be lost. i want to hear who can speak french the best, and who can debate best in french. (besides duceppe of course)
supposedly, surprisingly, out the bunch Layton speaks the best french (beside Ducceppe, of course)


reading this thread, it's kind of amusing to see how everyone sees what they want to see (probably including myself!)... just shows you there's really no best style for the leaders to take on for these debates... act "passionately", and half the electorate (the ones that already don't like you) will perceive you as "manic"... focus on stating your message, and a lot of viewers will say you are a bad debater...

people don't watch these debates objectively (even though we all like to think we do). Everyone goes in with preconceived notions, and then spends the hour looking for reasons to validate those notions. The best the leaders can do is show up and be careful not to say anything outrageously stupid.
 

acheron

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Layton's alright - so's Olivia - I partied with his daughter Sarah - she went to Northern Secondary School... a few years younger than me but I distinctly recall going to a party at the Layton-Chow's and sure enough Jack took me with him (I was 19) to buy booze for Sarah's birthday party or something... she was like, 17 at the time. Oh, and they definitely smoke up. At least, they did 15 years ago.
 

Boo

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Originally posted by Lil'Timmy
This guy has the power and the will to seperate this country.
I wanna hear what he has to say. What is Quebec, 10-20% of the population?
Ditto, and its about 25% of the country, and well over 50% of quebecers support the bloc. Not to mention a clear majority of quebecers now favour soverignty. Seems important enough to include in a debate.
 

Pyeddo

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Based on their contributions to the federal economy, i bet people would care alot more if Ralph Klein & Alberta took the hardline that Gill Duceppe / Bloc do/does over separation.
 

agentRC4

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Pyeddo
Based on their contributions to the federal economy, i bet people would care alot more if Ralph Klein & Alberta took the hardline that Gill Duceppe / Bloc do/does over separation.
What about Ontario.

Why don't we start thinking this way so we can get our fair share of the federal transfer payments.
 

Chicago Kid

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Originally posted by Boo
Ditto, and its about 25% of the country, and well over 50% of quebecers support the bloc. Not to mention a clear majority of quebecers now favour soverignty. Seems important enough to include in a debate.
My issue was not whether he should be allowed to debate, it was why the fuck was he allowed to take part in this NATIONAL debate, about NATIONAL issues, to a NATION of voters that CANNOT even vote for him.

More power to him if he's king shit in his land, but I don't want to hear about this fuck's agenda, taking away time from the officially recognized parties' speakers on issues that would actually concern ME.
 

Boo

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Originally posted by Chicago Kid

More power to him if he's king shit in his land, but I don't want to hear about this fuck's agenda, taking away time from the officially recognized parties' speakers on issues that would actually concern ME.
Good to see you have a balanced and open minded opinion on this matter.

What do you think would be the reaction of the countries second largest province if their biggest 'national' party had no say in the debates? Add feul to the fire for seperation?

Why have a French language debate at all using this logic, as the majority of French speakers in this country vote Bloc.

You don't have to tell me that Canada's political system is messed up, more often than not recently the bloc has been the official opposition in this country (more votes than NDP or Conservative)- the 'loyal opposition' to the government thinks the country should split up.
 
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acheron

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Originally posted by Boo
Ditto, and its about 25% of the country, and well over 50% of quebecers support the bloc. Not to mention a clear majority of quebecers now favour soverignty. Seems important enough to include in a debate.
Whenever the Separatist card comes out my personal feeling is to just say, OK, go ahead. Run away. But mommy and daddy are keeping the house, the car, all your clothes we paid for, your cosmetics, the pets, basically everything you have that you didn't pay for or don't actually own. Don't let the doorknob hit your ass on the way out the door and, oh, wait, the first nations want to speak to you about land claims. They like Canada so the land they claim stays with us - that means goodbye to the Hudson's Bay Power Project and most of the province north of Montreal. They'll be left with a thin strip of land along the St. Lawrence and that's about it. Good luck to them.
 

agentRC4

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Originally posted by acheron
Whenever the Separatist card comes out my personal feeling is to just say, OK, go ahead. Run away. But mommy and daddy are keeping the house, the car, all your clothes we paid for, your cosmetics, the pets, basically everything you have that you didn't pay for or don't actually own. Don't let the doorknob hit your ass on the way out the door and, oh, wait, the first nations want to speak to you about land claims. They like Canada so the land they claim stays with us - that means goodbye to the Hudson's Bay Power Project and most of the province north of Montreal. They'll be left with a thin strip of land along the St. Lawrence and that's about it. Good luck to them.

clap, clap, clap - BRAVO
 

Flashy_McFlash

Well-Known TRIBEr
I hope that they physically separate. Line up every Quebecer along the border with pickaxes and break it off from Canada. Then use rockets or something so they can all go back to freaking Russia or France or wherever. They can take the Maritimes too.
 

Chris

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Hey Boss Hog

Some more comments:


He has already stated he will not touch the gay marriage issue by allowing a free vote in the commons on whether to overturn Bill C-38.

Little interest in sovereignty? I think he is passionate about sovereignty as much as the next person. Why not take a harder line with Quebec? As mentioned part of the problem is not allowing the Provinces feel as though they have control of their own "jurisdictions" when it comes to trade negotiations, etc. This is not just a problem with Quebec with its unique place in Canada, but also other provinces who feel just as alienated.

Im all over the place personally within the political spectrum on certain issues, some conservative, others more liberal. However, I think its time for a change in government, the Liberals have had what 12 years to put in place many programs that they are still promising today. 12 years to bungle tax payer dollars with little to no retribution, etc.

Its not like the reform elements are going to turn our politics to the right, the sweet spot of governing Canada is somewhere in the middle, they all know that and will need to come to that point to not only win, but to govern effectively.

Do I want to vote Liberal? Yes, but I cant do it, not with watching the last 12 years go by with really little to show for it besides empty promises, government corruption, massive surpluses yet reduction in social programs, and no real leadership. It takes great courage in leading this nation, making tough calls right or wrong. That to me demonstrates leadership. To sit back and put the country on cruise control - that’s not governing.
 

basilisk

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Originally posted by grounded4life
The people we're electing to run this country haven't a clue. Mind you I don't suppose I would know better...

I just don't see the point when nothing really ever gets done.
Have you ever heard of the Marijuana Party?
 

Pyeddo

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Anyone ever think if Quebec separated that the US would court them?

I mean really... who would want QC... but its an interesting situation should it arise.

Oh, btw Quebec, feel free to leave... we'd just like back the hospitals, roads, water-line infastructre... etc. that came out of federal pockets.
 

basilisk

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There's got to be a less-than-zero chance of Quebec joining the States if they left Canada... we're about as likely to annex Vermont.
 
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