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the talking heads talk: the debate thread

mikeinflames

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Originally posted by gasper
ummmm, on my TV he clearly stated that he did NOT
on mine he said he did
it was earlier on in the debate
Layton started on about how the Conservatives had not released who they had recieved funds from and Harper said he had recieved some from Black
 

gasper

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we'll have to check the transcripts I guess. I heard him deny the Conrad Black donation allegation.
 

SeRo

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I'm pretty sure Harper said he did not recieve contributions from Conrad Black. In fact I thought he brought it up to imply that the Liberals did recieve money from Black.

Also Duceppe might sound a little goofy, but he managed to get the other guys to spend half the debate talking about Quebec, so that has to be a victory in his books.
 
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AdRiaN

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Originally posted by mikeinflames
on mine he said he did
it was earlier on in the debate
Layton started on about how the Conservatives had not released who they had recieved funds from and Harper said he had recieved some from Black
Well, you either have a hearing impairment or a memory impairment.

Same with your statement about Harper expressing his support for two-tier health care. It never happened dude.
 

Bass-Invader

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Well that was somewhat interesting at least. My favourite part when when Martin yelled 'I AM A QUEBECER' after Duceppe said that only his party represents the people of Quebec.

Layton and Martin came out on top. Layton gets mention only because he speaks slowly, and with apparent confidence which I think will strike a tone with alot of viewers. Unfortunately he really didn't have much to say. Every answer consisted of, 'the liberals are part of a culture of entitlement, make the right choice - ndp.'. If Martin is a used car salesman then Layton is a friggen infomertial host.
 

Bass-Invader

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Originally posted by SeRo
I'm pretty sure Harper said he did not recieve contributions from Conrad Black. In fact I thought he brought it up to imply that the Liberals did recieve money from Black.

Also Duceppe might sound a little goofy, but he managed to get the other guys to spend half the debate talking about Quebec, so that has to be a victory in his books.
harper said he did not recieve any contributions from black. He brought it up in response to Martin when he said that the closed nature of the conservative donation list means that they (the tories, not the liberals) *could* have recieved funding from black.

anyone else laugh everytime Harper forced a smile? The best were the times when you could tell that he just remember 'oh shit im not smiling' and suddenly cracks one.
 
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djb

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*oops wrong quote.



I enjoyed the moderator saying "Jack do you want to get in on this..?"

:D
 
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Big Cheese

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Originally posted by Lurker
My g/f and I are drinking a shot (of white wine...we suck :p) whenever these assholes say "Quebec" "defecit" "scandal" and "culture of entitlement".
paul that is all kinds of awsome :D


i don't like any of these cunts (tonight was the icing on the cake)

i'm really on the fence here
 

dvs

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Originally posted by Bass-Invader


anyone else laugh everytime Harper forced a smile? The best were the times when you could tell that he just remember 'oh shit im not smiling' and suddenly cracks one.
hahahaha!! glad i wasn't the only one who found that ridiculous. harper is such a joke.
 

TRO

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layton came out good in my books made me have my vote...


everytime I see harper I just see right through him

martin is a loss cause and gilles is just there for good times...he's like the shit disturber of the 4 knuckleheads
 
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AdRiaN

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So now Paul Martin wants to ignite a constitutional debate over an amendment to revoke the notwithstanding cause? :rolleyes:

Would you like an opener for that can of worms, Mr. Martin?
 

dvs

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Originally posted by AdRiaN
So now Paul Martin wants to ignite a constitutional debate over an amendment to revoke the notwithstanding cause? :rolleyes:

Would you like an opener for that can of worms, Mr. Martin?
i acually thought it was a brilliant concept. eliminating the power of govt. to politically over-ride the general consensus of the electorate which is in essence what the notwithstanding clause affords govt. politically i'm not sure what effect it'll have on the popular vote at this point in the campaign with only two weeks remaining before the vote.

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dvs

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Originally posted by Bass-Invader
i wouldn't call it 'brilliant' but it's definitley not a bad thing.
ok, i take it back. thoughtful then. but perhaps a bit late to drop on the public being thrown out in the debate for the first time. hmmm

d
 
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AdRiaN

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Originally posted by dvs
ieliminating the power of govt. to politically over-ride the general consensus of the electorate which is in essence what the notwithstanding clause affords govt.
Since when do the decisions of unelected and unscrutinized judges represent the general consensus of the electorate?

By definition, Parliament is supposed to represent the electorate, with the judicial branch as a "check." Conversely, Parliament is a "check" on the judicial branch.
 

Bass-Invader

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I am all for getting rid of the nw clause. I wonder if this is a bad political move for Martin though. I guess it depends on how Quebec views the notwithstanding clause. I worry that it may be seen as a 'last line of defense' against federal policy and that the Bloc will spin it as a defanging of 'the nation of Quebec's distinct and sovereign power'.
 

dvs

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Originally posted by AdRiaN
Since when do the decisions of unelected and unscrutinized judges represent the general consensus of the electorate?

By definition, Parliament is supposed to represent the electorate, with the judicial branch as a "check." Conversely, Parliament is a "check" on the judicial branch.
the electorate always has the final say. allowing govt. to oppose things such as gay marriage after a popular vote supports it along with other such powers is simply wrong imho.

d
 

LivingRoomPornstar

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okay, my opinions on each of their performances:

Layton: Positives- stuck to his platform, and strategically defined his differences from the Liberals and Tories in a very well paced contribution. Negatives - at times appeared too scripted, and more than a few times phrased his rebuttals more in the spirit of a final summation than a sincere response. I also hate the use of "3rd choice". Dude, you're running for Prime Minister - act like a prime minister.

Harper - Positives- better consistency in the communication of his platform, also a small bit warmer than before. Negatives(heeeere we gooo): Could not provide a decent rebuttal regarding his comments about Canada lacking a National identity, nor did he provide an adequate rebuttal regarding the flaws in his tax plan to accomodate the middle and lower income earners. Smiles were seemingly forced.

Martin - Positives- A lot of energy. The best overall performance in delivery, with the most impressive being the definition of Liberal values relative to the Tories. "The US is our neighbour, not our Nation" <---- giddy the fuck up! Negatives- clear discrepency between debate platform and previous platform, which sacrificed a bit of credibility. Going down the road of charter changes and wasting too much time, energy and effort in the exchange with Ducepe regarding the definition of Quebec as a nation. Took the bait, hook, line and sinker.

Ducepe - Not really in the same category as the other three, but I enjoyed his commentary on the evolution of policy to suit the people. There were definitely times where I couldn't understand what the hell he was saying, especially in his final statement.

Overall: I honestly felt Harper fell short on a couple of key issues, most important to me - the failure to defend the merits of his tax package, and this really hit a nerve. Martin, however charismatic, didn't quite convince me that where key social programs are concerned, that the liberals were ready to deliver. Layton, who I felt closest to in the substance of his priorities, talked very little about fiscal responsibility -- he doesn't strike me as someone who has the economic foresight to both take measure to ensure social change, while keeping our deficit at bay, a trend that I honestly feel will ensure that Canada has more and more money available(after interest payments on the national debt) to meet the social needs of the country in the long term.

This all being said, I will most likely vote NDP, because I feel they still need a stronger say in the house of commons(and I don't feel they have what it takes to win a minority government this election).

Dan
 

Genesius

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Harper is melba toast. *sigh* Although he was certainly the most clear in his policy and what he will do if elected.

Martin certainly seemed to be the most passionate, but well I have had enough of him. Typical liberals, have the best handlers in my opinion.

Layton seemed to be in one really long NDP commercial. "A vote for NDP is a vote for the typical working Canadian" or something.

Before this debate I was totally opposed to Duceppe being in it. I still am, but I think he adds value because he has nothing to lose and he just calls everyone out. He's like a black hat, just there to criticize; and I'll give him credit he does it with a lot intellectual honesty.


Still, somewhat undecided but ya'll know how I lean..../////
 
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