The Swastika is a really cool design

[Vidman]

I think it's a really neat design... the way it's a loop... and just, the way it looks. Too bad the Nazis destroyed any near-future use of the Swastika (in most countries). It could have made a great logo for a computer/tech company. It sort of looks like a chip or part of a ciruit board or some electronic component.

The Swastika is an ancient symbol of unknown origin that has been employed for thousands of years as a religious sign and a decorative emblem. It takes the form of an even cross with the arms bent in the middle at right angles; all bars point in the same direction, clockwise or counterclockwise. The swastika appeared in ancient China, Egypt, and India. It has been found on Greek coins, pre-Christian Celtic and Scandinavian artifacts, the catacombs of the early Christians in Rome, and Byzantine buildings. The swastika was widely used by American Indians. It represented the sun and infinity.

In the 20th century, the swastika was adopted as the emblem of the Nazi party in German. Mistaking its origin, the Nazis regarded it as an "Aryan" symbol and linked it to the notion of their "racial superiority." ... When the war ended, the Allies banned display of the emblem, which had come to be indentified with the evils of Hitler's regime.

 

[OTIS]

This reminds me of the happy birthday Hitler thread.

 

[smile]

i agree.

it's almost hypnotic.

 

[Rosey]

nostra-rosey predicts:
no good will come of this thread.

 

[gasper]

vidman = whore that desperately seeks attention

 

[Guest]

Isn't the reverse image of the Nazi swastika a traditional symbol of peace or sumpin?

There's a town in northern Ontario, close to Kirkland Lake that's called Swastika. And Kitchener used to be called Berlin, till after WWII.

That little small moustache that Hitler had must be the only look that is taboo for men. That, and it looks pretty retarded anyway.

Just some more tidbits of useless info that pingpongs around the back of my head

 

[OTIS]

Originally posted by gasper
vidman = whore that desperately seeks attention

No, I don't think so..

I think he disclaimed the thread content properly..

It reminds me of the "Happy Birthday Hitler" thread because the title eludes slightly to the thread content being pro-nazi where it's actually just full of fact.

Sea did that like 2 years ago on Tribe.. I think he got banned.. or at the least bashed hard for it.

 

[SlipperyPete]

^^^
wow, 2 posts, 2 nasty little comments

what's with the prevalence of trolls on the board these days?

The swastika has all kinds of negative connotations, but Vidman is right, it's been around for millenia and has meanings other than those attached to it by the 3rd Reich.

 

[Vidman]

Pff.. right. I think you're mistaking me for Plato.


The Swastika has been around in various cultures way before Hitler's time. I'm just saying it's too bad Hitler fucked it all up because it could have been part of a high-tech logo.

 

[Guest]

I agree with Otis and Pete - its just interesting to learn about stuff.

 

[deep]

yes, the original swastika is a hindu religious symbol signifying peace. among other things hitler ripped off from brown people, the swastika was inverted for nazi purposes. furthermore, the aryans as being the predecessors to the germans is a misnomer created by hitler - the aryans were actually a culture that eventually settled in india and who has more connection with brown people than the blond haired blue eyed ubermensche hitler propogated.

 

[SUNKIST]

Originally posted by Tearer
its just interesting to learn about stuff.

so....you like....stuff.....

i dont see anything wrong with this thread. i didnt know it existed before Hitler, so it was good to read.

 

[gasper]

Originally posted by Tearer
I agree with Otis and Pete - its just interesting to learn about stuff.

yeah, and vidman's primary objective is to educate us. only usually it's about a guy who spilled his coffee in kitchener or incoming low pressure systems that will bring snow. this time his teaching have more historical significance...sorry for calling him names, i'm in the wrong. woke up on the wrong side of the bed this afternoon, can you tell?

 

[Guest]

That thread is very offensive.
That symbol means death to a lot of people.
You think you are so smart calling it a cool symbol, people should look at it for what it is and that is the symbol of inoccent people dying.
You probably don't find it offensive because your family wasn't murdered but those racists.
Another racist thread that should be deleted!
Some of you people are really ignorant!

 

[poker face]

Fuckin swastika!

one time at a party some jackasses decided to take it upon themselves to carve swastikas into my car hood.

So for 3 months after that I looked like a nazi!

 

[SlipperyPete]

Originally posted by Pest
Some of you people are really ignorant!

yes, some people ARE really ignorant. Have you not read any of the comments up to where you posted? Yes, the swastika holds many negative connotations, but only because that symbol represents to people the Nazi Regime and all the horrible things that came out of it.

If I were to murder 1000 people with a spork, I'd be evil. And for some the image of a spork would hold all sorts of negative connotations, and would remind people of the atrocities associated with that spork. However, sporks can continue to hold positive meanings for some, despite the atrocities I commited with one.

It's a lame example, but the same holds true for the swastika -- more than one meaning can be associated with an item or symbol.

 

[stargurl*]

For many millenia, before it was appropriated by the Nazis, the swastika was a symbol of good luck and prosperity. Almost every race, religion and continent honored the swastika -- a perfect example of the universal spread of a symbol thru the collective unconscious used by American Indians, Hindus, Buddhists, Vikings, Greeks, Romans, Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Mayans, Aztecs, Persians, Christians, and neolithic tribes. There are even Jewish swastikas found in ancient synagogues side-by-side with the star of David!
The swastika was associated with the hammer of Thor which returned to him like a boomerang, the footprints of Buddha, the emblem of Shiva, Apollo, Jupiter, and even Jesus Christ! The swastika was the first Christian symbol and is found in the catacombs in Rome. Hindus and Buddhists to this day still revere the swastika as their sacred sign. Jains make the sign of the swastika similar to the Christian sign of the cross.
In the early part of the twentieth century Rudyard Kipling used the swastika as his coat-of-arms, Coca Cola made a swastika-shaped lucky watch fob,American pilots used it on their planes when they fought for the French in World War One, it was the symbol for the Ladies Home Journal sponsored Girls' Club and the Boy Scouts. A town in Ontario was named Swastika in 1911 because of a lucky gold strike.

This website has no connections to any racist propaganda. We do not deny the pain and anguish of the Second World War and the Holocaust. We feel that the time is ripe to put the Nazi decade into the proper context in full view of the ten thousand years of suppressed swastika history and to let the swastika get on with its benign life. We would like to invite Jews, and all others affected by the war, to look at the evidence for the existence of a sacred swastika in the world. How can a symbol be guilty for the acts of a madman?
I showed my swastika collection in the Cranbrook Railway Museum in 1981. Many people came expecting to get angry and later shook my hand in gratitude for enlightening them. They saw only honorable swastikas which did not conjure up goose-stepping nightmares. An old German architect who had walked across the Alps to get away from the Nazis encouraged me.
The founding members of the Friends of the Swastika, ManWoman, Guru Svastika, Douglas Youngblood, and Carolyn O'Neil (the town historian), held their first meeting and Swastika Conference in Swastika, Ontario in 1985. Residents of Swastika, Ontario had to fight hard to keep their town's name during the Second World War. The Canadian government wanted to change it to "Winston" to honor Churchill.

"In my soul's upward flight, I had entered the womb of the sacred. This inner light was a swastika of creative energy -- the source of all life! This is how I began my lifelong search for the historic truth about the swastika and my journey to detoxify it from the sins of the Nazis -- my journey to re-sanctify it. Because , if there was an image that represented the gods for me from this point on it was the swastika. Yes, I choked big time on it because I was a little boy during the war and some of my Polish relatives were in Auschwitz. They were going crazy because I was telling them that this hated swastika which had killed millions of people was a sacred symbol for God."
ManWoman

Declaration of Independence

Swastika Declaration of Independence, April 1995
This is a manifesto by the Friends of the Swastika, some of whom met in Cranbrook, British Columbia in April 1995 and ten years earlier in Swastika, Ontario in April of 1985, to support the re-integration of the swastika as a good luck sign and sacred symbol. The founding members of the Friends of the Swastika, ManWoman, Guru Svastika, Douglas Youngblood, and Carolyn O'Neil (the town historian), held their first meeting and Swastika Conference in Swastika, Ontario in 1985. Residents of Swastika, Ontario had to fight hard to keep their town's name during the Second World War. The Canadian government wanted to change it to "Winston" to honor Churchill.

The swastika has been a symbol of benediction for more than five thousand years in almost every culture of the world, including the Jews. It has been the hope of many human beings of different belief, race and color for prosperity and brotherhood.

The swastika had universal status in a non-political way until it was misused by Adolf Hitler in the Second World War. The common view of the swastika in the West then became the opposite of the original benign, happy symbol. It became the most dreaded of all signs--tarnished with the horrors of war. Now, it is still being used by skin-heads and terrorists to intimidate law-abiding citizens. On the other hand, over half of the world's population still honors the swastika in the Hindu and Buddhist traditions.

The Friends of the Swastika is a non-political, grass-roots group of friends anyone can be a part of. It is the aim of FOTS to detoxify the swastika through education for use in its original meaning--the auspicious energy at the center of life. If enough people agree, it will change! We, the undersigned, after years of collective interest and research, declare the swastika to be innocent of the crimes perpetrated in its name under the Nazi banners. Five years of war cannot be allowed to wipe out five thousand years of sacred history. We declare that the swastika has an independent life. We say, "To hell with Hitler"!

http://www.manwoman.net

 

[daddyiwantchocolate]

Originally posted by gasper
vidman = whore that desperately seeks attention

No, I don't think so.

tearer
That little small moustache that Hitler had must be the only look that is taboo for men.

Picture of you + photoshop = amusement for me for about 4 minutes. Too bad I don't have PhotoShop.

 

[daddyiwantchocolate]

Originally posted by SlipperyPete
If I were to murder 1000 people with a spork, I'd be evil. And for some the image of a spork would hold all sorts of negative connotations, and would remind people of the atrocities associated with that spork. However, sporks can continue to hold positive meanings for some, despite the atrocities I commited with one.

LOL

 

[kodos]

ok what sucker is going to take pest's bait?

 

[kurtz]

Originally posted by SlipperyPete


yes, some people ARE really ignorant. Have you not read any of the comments up to where you posted? Yes, the swastika holds many negative connotations, but only because that symbol represents to people the Nazi Regime and all the horrible things that came out of it.

If I were to murder 1000 people with a spork, I'd be evil. And for some the image of a spork would hold all sorts of negative connotations, and would remind people of the atrocities associated with that spork. However, sporks can continue to hold positive meanings for some, despite the atrocities I commited with one.

It's a lame example, but the same holds true for the swastika -- more than one meaning can be associated with an item or symbol.

thats a tough sell with all the idelogies behind nazism... i mean nazi were 'intellectuals' who perverted everything they came into contact with... wagner, German context with ancient rome and bismark, even hegel. so it represents much more than just an action... but i guess if there are no facts in the world, all we have is interpretations, and unfort. nazi germany applied them with a hammer... followed by tanks.

 

[Guest]

What garbage that symbol represents a lot more then just a cool symbol and you know it.
That symbol represents death and fear for many innocent people.
How would you feel if you had to run and be fearful for your life watching out for a certain symbol all the time.
Grow the fuck up!

 

[SUNKIST]

Originally posted by Pest
That thread is very offensive.
That symbol means death to a lot of people.
You think you are so smart calling it a cool symbol, people should look at it for what it is and that is the symbol of inoccent people dying.
You probably don't find it offensive because your family wasn't murdered but those racists.
Another racist thread that should be deleted!
Some of you people are really ignorant!

are you on a plight to make a good name for yourself yet again? a lot of the stuff you have posted is offence to some people as well-yet you frequently failed to recognize it. its not like vidman said "the swastika is a cool symbol", posted one, and left it at that. he explained the history behind before it ever adopted the negative connotations. to strictly see it as the negative and refuse to learn, or even tolerate prior meaning is ignorance if you ask me.

p.s. kodos, me. but its the first time i have ever done it. first tiems free

 

[Respect]

"I think the great lesson of the 20th century is that you have to seperate the ethics from the aesthetics. . . The great lesson there is that you don't have to agree with what the Nazis did, but yes, be honest about it, they did have the best uniforms. A lot of people can't come to terms with something as banal as that."

- Andrew Eldritch (Sisters of Mercy)

 

[deep]

Originally posted by daddyiwantchocolate

Picture of you + photoshop = amusement for me for about 4 minutes. Too bad I don't have PhotoShop.

it's really only 20 seconds