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The Music Business...

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JayBrain

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Socan, Riaa,Metallica.. seriously bug the piss out of me.

They are big business.. high dollars, and over priced shitty CD Sellers.

some of us on this message board are Djs, some of us are producers... the music we make, play.. what ever.. it isn't cheap to buy.. or to produce.. and many of us aren't making much money in return, some even only get just gas money.

if Socan wants to tax us on Cds n shit.. maybe they should pay the DJs for playing the music and making it popular among the masses.

I really have a long rant.. but I'm at work, and don't have the time to write out what I have to say, just discuss amongst us what you all think about the napster revolution that is among us.

What Real solutions are there? Tax everyone even more ?? Wipe out the RIAA and SOCAN?? Let every artist fend for them selves?

anyways.. I DON'T make a living from my music... but I'd like to. how will taxing everyone to death benefit the music business?? Corperations will get richer... as well as lawyers. Artists will still have to work their asses off to stay poor???????

what is everyone's "serious" point of view?
 
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why not

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socan is the musician's friend - join up and you'll start looking at these taxes as justified payback.

btw - if you are registered with socan as a business, you can get CDRs tax free. the taxes are meant for those who are stealing your track while a distributor's warehouse holds all the unsold copies.

i know lots of critically acclaimed musicians who only lose money on music. lots of us are on the verge of quitting. we can't force anyone to take copywrite seriously, but don't think that no one's getting hurt when you steal music.


*in a bad mood because i'm starting to think i can't afford to play in three bands anymore*
 
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el presidente Highsteppa

el presidente Highsteppa

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I see a lot of it being the music industry's failure to adapt to the times. They sat on file swapping thinking that only the tech-savvy would do it, but Napster made it extremely accessable to the public.

RIAA as far as I'm concerned, is looking out for the record labels. They were ripping off artists back in the early 90's and late 80's by giving bigger shares of profits from CD sales to the labels. Artists before were making more money from vynil and cassettes. Now the RIAA is claiming to be a champion of the artist. Bullshit.

SOCAN, I'm also a bit suspicious of, just for the fact that I can't help but look on them as being a Canadian RIAA. I know very little about them, but this taxing of ISP's I think is bullshit.

It's unfortunate that the lack of being able to come up with a viable solution to music being downloaded is causing so many casualties on the lower end of the scale. As for the top money making artists, my sympathy doesn't reach as high as the horse you're sitting on. Sting's charging 80 bucks upwards for a gig at massey hall, and his last few albums have sucked ass. Much like in Hollywood, artists should expect to be paid as good as their material is in the eyes of the public. And institutionalized art, as far as I see it, often produces a lot of crap with a lack of integrity.
 
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Mike Richards

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Originally posted by el presidente Highsteppa
RIAA as far as I'm concerned, is looking out for the record labels. They were ripping off artists back in the early 90's and late 80's by giving bigger shares of profits from CD sales to the labels.
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See..I disagree with this as well tho. If an artist or their manager can't read what they're signing then it's their own damn fault!
 
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SENSEi

TRIBE Promoter
The thing with the music business is, it's business.
And if you're not growing, you're going...

Considering the sheer amount of money the big labels are claiming to be losing to downloading, there not only need to re-coup their losses, but also are looking for growth in their industry.

It's time for some new ideas and inovation, obviously.

Perhaps the music industry's bubble has popped, much like the internet's did several years ago.

Just some thoughts.
 
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SENSEi

TRIBE Promoter
Originally posted by Mike Richards
See..I disagree with this as well tho. If an artist or their manager can't read what they're signing then it's their own damn fault!
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You mean the fair way to do it?

Sign here = Rich and Famous
No sign = Bye bye

Play by our rules or we'll just sign someone else.
 
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SENSEi

TRIBE Promoter
Originally posted by Mike Richards
I'll give you a million dollars if you jump off the CN tower. If no then no cash for you
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Yeah but I might really, really, really want to be a recording artist for a major label.

I don't really, really, really want to jump off the CN tower.

Dig?
 
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Mike Richards

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I'm not trying to be antagonistic but you have to think logically. The label is the label and you need them. They don't need you. That's how everything in life works.
 
el presidente Highsteppa

el presidente Highsteppa

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by SENSEi
You mean the fair way to do it?

Sign here = Rich and Famous
No sign = Bye bye

Play by our rules or we'll just sign someone else.
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This is sometimes the rules that a band has to play by when it comes to getting started. Not every band is going to be a sensation that is going to get in the middle of a bidding war. My brother produced an RnB band back in the mid 90's and was subjected to a very "take it or leave it" sort of contract that they couldn't totally negotiate.

Also, a lot of record companies make the contracts so swamped in legalese that it's nearly impossible to understand what the contract is saying and the conditions involved. While the obvious reply is to hire a lawyer, it's not always viable for a young band that maybe still hasn't made much of a return on their work.

Just wait until the RIAA starts to get involved with home studios. It won't be long before they start fucking with that issue and try and make artist go back into recording studios.
 
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SENSEi

TRIBE Promoter
Originally posted by Mike Richards
I'm not trying to be antagonistic but you have to think logically. The label is the label and you need them. They don't need you. That's how everything in life works.
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No worries.
But I have to disagree.

You don't need them.
They Do need you.

Without artists, there would be no music industry.

Unfortunatley reality hits and we realize that "artist" can be fabricated out of junk.

Fair enough.

But you make it sound like they are gods, and we owe them the worship.

Facts are, contracts should be in place to protect both parties invlolved, not for the richer more powerful party to exploit the other.

That's how N'Sync got out of their contract, boy bands are not corporate property apparently.
 
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Mike Richards

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Originally posted by SENSEi
No worries.
But I have to disagree.

You don't need them.
They Do need you.

Without artists, there would be no music industry.

Unfortunatley reality hits and we realize that "artist" can be fabricated out of junk.

Fair enough.

But you make it sound like they are gods, and we owe them the worship.

Facts are, contracts should be in place to protect both parties invlolved, not for the richer more powerful party to exploit the other.

That's how N'Sync got out of their contract, boy bands are not corporate property apparently.
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N'Sync TM is corporate property tho!! Loopholes my friend, Loopholes!

Ask any Criminal defense Lawyer!
 
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SENSEi

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Originally posted by Mike Richards
N'Sync TM is corporate property tho!! Loopholes my friend, Loopholes!

Ask any Criminal defense Lawyer!
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Sure, the name is TM.
Agreed.

But they set precidence by getting out of the unfair contract with their creator Dr. Frankenstien.

The music bizz needs to re-group, and re-organize.
 
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Mike Richards

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I find it funny how a few young pretty boys beat the Humongous, Giant, Enormous recording industry. If I was one of those execs I would hang my head in shame haha
 
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SENSEi

TRIBE Promoter
Originally posted by beaker
socan are the good guys, you noobs!

well, only if you are a musician i suppose.
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Beat it Dr. Honeydew!

We were yappin bout the music biz....
:p

And I'm talkin bout the bizness of music...
 
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Stormshadow

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Originally posted by beaker
socan are the good guys, you noobs!

well, only if you are a musician i suppose.
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Yah, I think people should realize this atleast.
And SOCAN should not be equated with the RIAA...totally different types of organizations.
 
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