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LivingRoomPornstar

TRIBE Member
Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by Bass-Invader


is it not an act of 'faith' to disbelieve something?

You cannot prove the non-existence of 'God', hence your disdain for the idea can only be a belief.

disbelieving a construct is still a belief, if you cannot prove the construct false.
yes, but that technical definition of faith cannot be confused with the religious definition.

Example being, there has never been any solid proof that there are purple elephants. Thus, we say that there are no purple elephants, and this is not considered a belief, but rather, a fact.

Although I don't express my opinion as strongly as Timo, I absolutely agree with him.

Dan
 

Bass-Invader

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by LivingRoomPornstar


yes, but that technical definition of faith cannot be confused with the religious definition.

Example being, there has never been any solid proof that there are purple elephants. Thus, we say that there are no purple elephants, and this is not considered a belief, but rather, a fact.

Although I don't express my opinion as strongly as Timo, I absolutely agree with him.

Dan
The religious definition, and technical are one and the same. It is simply taking stock in the unknown.

As for purple elephants, well, who's to say they don't exist, on another planet perhaps? Or as a painted picture on a candywrapper?

I see what you are saying, create an imaginary construct, now claim it's existence cannot be disproven. You are quite right, it cannot be, because by its non-existential nature no proof can be attached, so we are left saying it might exist or not. However, something to think about... it might exist, no matter how absurd, and how does one judge absurdity? what makes something more absurd than something else, absurd enough to berate any who believe it?



Anyways, that was not what I was hinting at.

All I was trying to say is that his brash attack on people is based solely on a matter of his opinion and not on the actual stupidity of the people in question. For many people who have been brought up and surrounded by a certain ideal all their lives to be called 'idiots' simply because he believes their idea to be false is a truley ethnocentric attitude indeed.

He says that religion is the cause of much of the worlds problems? Discrimination against these these beliefs is the cause of the other.

Christians vs Athiests in a half-holy war, its still a war of faith, and is no better.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Re: Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by Bass-Invader
He says that religion is the cause of much of the worlds problems? Discrimination against these these beliefs is the cause of the other.
ALL the world's problems are caused by religion.

NONE, absolutely ZERO wars have been fought by pure atheists.

Religion and god are for scared people.

Don't be scared, people.

I really wish people would take at least cursory glance into the world of logic. It is a basic, simple premise that it is NOT possible to prove a negative.

Faith... faith is for people with zero common sense, zero logic, and who can't fathom taking responsibility for what happens to them. It takes no guts, no anything. "A leap of faith" is not a leap at all-- it is crumpling into a heap of pitiful foolishness.

What takes guts is to NOT believe in some external bullshit. What takes guts is to be able to examine yourself so thoroughly that you can take 100% responsibility for your actions, and the effects of those actions. I take responsibility for making some people feel like shit... and anyone who feels like shit should be asking themselves if they have looked deep enough into themselves to understand why. You want to know why? Because deep down, you KNOW, you absolutely KNOW that your faith doesn't exist, and you KNOW that there is no god, no heaven, and YOU KNOW that religion cause ALL the world problems.

Religious people have NO IDEA how liberating it is to actually know yourself. The need to believe in something is natural, sure, but grow the fuck up. Believe in yourself.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Re: Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by Bass-Invader
The religious definition, and technical are one and the same. It is simply taking stock in the unknown.
Absolutely NOT. For an idiot, the unknown is scary, and must be filled and explained with the supernatural.

For me, the unknown is just that... UNKNOWN. Scary? Sure, sometimes, but mostly just really fucking interesting.

My faith is in what is proved, and doesn't fail. Gravity... yes, I have faith that if I roll off my bed tomorrow, I'll still accelerate downwards at 9.8m/s*s.

Quite the opposite of religious faith, which is based in being scared, and it takes NOTHING to believe in it, except a large dose of NOTHING.
 

Bass-Invader

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by PosTMOd


ALL the world's problems are caused by religion.

NONE, absolutely ZERO wars have been fought by pure atheists.

Religion and god are for scared people.

Don't be scared, people.

I really wish people would take at least cursory glance into the world of logic. It is a basic, simple premise that it is NOT possible to prove a negative.
What about any recent war which the russians were involved in? They are athiests. The nazi's persecuted religious people.

you are making a rather general statement with that, One could also say that most wars were not fought by religious people alone as well, im sure there were some athiests in the fray.

Religion is not the cause of wars, it is hubris in one's beliefs be they religious or not which causes them.

As for your logic lesson, it is much appreciated, and would be even more appreciated if you would've read my last post, or read into my first.





Faith... faith is for people with zero common sense, zero logic, and who can't fathom taking responsibility for what happens to them. It takes no guts, no anything. "A leap of faith" is not a leap at all-- it is crumpling into a heap of pitiful foolishness.

What takes guts is to NOT believe in some external bullshit. What takes guts is to be able to examine yourself so thoroughly that you can take 100% responsibility for your actions, and the effects of those actions. I take responsibility for making some people feel like shit... and anyone who feels like shit should be asking themselves if they have looked deep enough into themselves to understand why. You want to know why? Because deep down, you KNOW, you absolutely KNOW that your faith doesn't exist, and you KNOW that there is no god, no heaven, and YOU KNOW that religion cause ALL the world problems.

Religious people have NO IDEA how liberating it is to actually know yourself. The need to believe in something is natural, sure, but grow the fuck up. Believe in yourself.
be careful up there on your high horse, it's a long fall.
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by Bass-Invader
be careful up there on your high horse, it's a long fall.
LOOK OUT BELOW... my high horse is taking a rather large shit on your head... ;)
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by Bass-Invader
As for your logic lesson, it is much appreciated, and would be even more appreciated if you would've read my last post, or read into my first.
Got it... yes, quite the logic you got going there... let's see...

Absurdity = Faith

Exactly what I was saying. Thank you for putting in such a nice way up there...
 

deep

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: Re: Re: don't scream at the mirror.

Originally posted by PosTMOd


ALL the world's problems are caused by religion.
okay, so look at it this way

why did religion come to be in the first place if it serves nothing but negative purpose?

you say it helps to calm the fearful

fear is a primary survival tool that evolution uses

if evolution is the nonbiased force that is driving the universe then its possible to conclude that life is a force trying to survive despite evolution

and thus the tools life uses to maintain its existence against evolution will always be present

which is fear

which means that religion is a byproduct in the scientific explanation for the universe

and thus the mere existence of religion is valid

PS. stoned
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by Bass-Invader

well, i stand corrected, because' that's news to me.



if you say that, then we are talking about two different instantiations of this word.
Not quite sure what that word "instantiation" means (or perhaps doing there), but...

I define religion as a group belief in something, regardless of evidence that refutes the belief, and regardless of zero evidence for it.
 

deep

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Bass-Invader


math vocab wins again...
i can't help it, ive been writing a partial order planning algorithm trace while alt tabbing and replying :)
i was going to say, 'you friggin geek'

i don't know anything about being a geek
 

Bass-Invader

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by PosTMOd


Not quite sure what that word "instantiation" means (or perhaps doing there), but...

I define religion as a group belief in something, regardless of evidence that refutes the belief, and regardless of zero evidence for it.
this is fun
if you bump this thread tommorow i'll continue arguing, but i have to finish the last question on my assignment and then run out to see freaky flow within 15 mins, so im out.
 

deep

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by PosTMOd


Not quite sure what that word "instantiation" means (or perhaps doing there), but...

the way you wrote the statement could have been interpreted as "communism is religion" in addition to "communism is dumbass"
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by Bass-Invader
ive been writing a partial order planning algorithm trace while alt tabbing and replying :)
Well, I have you beat, since I have one hand fisting myself, the other tickling my manbag, and I'm using my nose to type, one letter at a time. Like a chicken sort of. Except the fisting-- I ain't never seen chickens put their little claws up inside there, not even when the eggs are stuck.

It's a Thurday night thing, ya?
 

PosTMOd

Well-Known TRIBEr
Originally posted by deep
the way you wrote the statement could have been interpreted as "communism is religion" in addition to "communism is dumbass"
And, in other news:

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like bananas.
 

Bass-Invader

TRIBE Member
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Originally posted by PosTMOd


Well, I have you beat, since I have one hand fisting myself, the other tickling my manbag, and I'm using my nose to type, one letter at a time. Like a chicken sort of. Except the fisting-- I ain't never seen chickens put their little claws up inside there, not even when the eggs are stuck.

It's a Thurday night thing, ya?
done..finally..

id rather be fisting.
 

deep

TRIBE Member
congratulations on posting perhaps the largest image ever to a thread in the history of the internet
 
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