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The best party or event of 2002...
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mandapanda
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sasha/digweed
danny howells/tom stephan
layo&bushwacka!
gcsss
tarentella&redanka
chris liberator
danny howells/tom stephan
layo&bushwacka!
gcsss
tarentella&redanka
chris liberator
poker face
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don't kid!
I walked into that party with the attitude wondering what kind of party we can drop in Toronto. And trust me I saw the mother go down. It was overpacked and hot ass hell.
I loved it!
Subsonic Chronic
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That circular lighting rig that was moving back and forth across the dancefloor was pretty impressive for a party! The only comparable one I've ever seen was at the Guv. And the laser at the back of the room was blinding! Powerful stuff.
Definitely a top-notch production. There was still a great crowd when things finally wound down at 11:30am which I'm totally not used to.
Pete
anytime apocalyptics and kidzz put a party together, it is ALWAYS like that...they are pretty big on lighting and sound at party`s here in QC...and the crowds are always LATE crowds...they inauurated a new after-after hours club that weekend as well, open from noon on sunday until ?
craziness!
mike
Lysistrata
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That was a great night for sure!
I'm not sure about 'best' though.
Oh yeah I forgot about that night, not sure why I did though as thinking back about it now it was really really great. The only problem with that night was me thinking the whole time that I was missing Dimitri just across the street (although I was told later he wasn't that great that night anyhow).
Temper Tantrum
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The best party of 2002 will be tiesto damn it.
IT WILL.
Did I mention it's in 8 days? WOHOO
~allie~
IT WILL.
Did I mention it's in 8 days? WOHOO
~allie~
Disgusted
This thread is gross. As a (nearly) successful and experienced producer of underground raves it frightens me to see where the people we're trying to cater to are actually going. It shows just how much the "rave" scene has sold out to big "Headliners" and corporate interests. Nearly all of the "best of" choices I've read here relate to known, released names at large mainstream clubs... not a single underground party (with the exception of two festivals) is mentioned, and these are all, in reality, CLUB dates, not raves.
We threw a large event on May 24 weekend this year. We realized after a while that the 1300 people we were trying to draw were being saturated by B&H's massive advertising machine for the GoldClub event of the same night. Their advertising budget alone dwarfed the entire cost of our party. How can one compete with a juggernaut that is out primarily to SPEND money on advertising using the event as a pretense with little or no expectation of recouping that money? We're (independent underground rave producers) up against sponsors who hold parties to justify massive spending on advertising, not to throw good parties and certainly not to make money on them. To B&H or Smirnoff, to lose some tens of thousands of dollars when all is said and done in advertising and throwing a party, it all loss is justified by the number of times their names and logos appear in print and on flyers.
You've all paid $35 or more to STAND around in some smelly club (ie giant cash register with a disco ball) with little room to dance and then pay far too much for drugs and drinks when you could have been paying far less to hear great local and international talent play at smaller, underground events where the sense of vibe and feeling of community are still alive. How many of you have your ears to the ground rather than checking what's on sale at Ticketmaster or in the GoldClub thread to plan where you'll go?
Our crew has won awards and has extensive and positive review threads by many loyal adherents to our movement, yet we still can't draw more than 400 or so people to our events. It's because the majority of "ravers" have actually become "clubbers". Ever been greeted by the owner/promoter/producer on your way in and out of an event after they've personally served you fruit, candy and given you a little toy as a parting gift? Ever been to a space that's been totally transformed using art by locals and by 6 hours of labour through 12 people (volunteers) before the event (thrown every month) to make a unique and surreal mindscape just for that night, just for you? Have you heard the emerging talent in DJ's and producers that Toronto is exploding with in the Psy/Goa/Trance/Techo scenes? Can you name a single Toronto record label? The commercialization of the rave community sickens me, and is something that should be recognized and r351573d at all costs...
/frustration at competing with (and mostly losing to) corporate monoliths and having the "market" lap their bullshit up like thirsty dogs.
This thread is gross. As a (nearly) successful and experienced producer of underground raves it frightens me to see where the people we're trying to cater to are actually going. It shows just how much the "rave" scene has sold out to big "Headliners" and corporate interests. Nearly all of the "best of" choices I've read here relate to known, released names at large mainstream clubs... not a single underground party (with the exception of two festivals) is mentioned, and these are all, in reality, CLUB dates, not raves.
We threw a large event on May 24 weekend this year. We realized after a while that the 1300 people we were trying to draw were being saturated by B&H's massive advertising machine for the GoldClub event of the same night. Their advertising budget alone dwarfed the entire cost of our party. How can one compete with a juggernaut that is out primarily to SPEND money on advertising using the event as a pretense with little or no expectation of recouping that money? We're (independent underground rave producers) up against sponsors who hold parties to justify massive spending on advertising, not to throw good parties and certainly not to make money on them. To B&H or Smirnoff, to lose some tens of thousands of dollars when all is said and done in advertising and throwing a party, it all loss is justified by the number of times their names and logos appear in print and on flyers.
You've all paid $35 or more to STAND around in some smelly club (ie giant cash register with a disco ball) with little room to dance and then pay far too much for drugs and drinks when you could have been paying far less to hear great local and international talent play at smaller, underground events where the sense of vibe and feeling of community are still alive. How many of you have your ears to the ground rather than checking what's on sale at Ticketmaster or in the GoldClub thread to plan where you'll go?
Our crew has won awards and has extensive and positive review threads by many loyal adherents to our movement, yet we still can't draw more than 400 or so people to our events. It's because the majority of "ravers" have actually become "clubbers". Ever been greeted by the owner/promoter/producer on your way in and out of an event after they've personally served you fruit, candy and given you a little toy as a parting gift? Ever been to a space that's been totally transformed using art by locals and by 6 hours of labour through 12 people (volunteers) before the event (thrown every month) to make a unique and surreal mindscape just for that night, just for you? Have you heard the emerging talent in DJ's and producers that Toronto is exploding with in the Psy/Goa/Trance/Techo scenes? Can you name a single Toronto record label? The commercialization of the rave community sickens me, and is something that should be recognized and r351573d at all costs...
/frustration at competing with (and mostly losing to) corporate monoliths and having the "market" lap their bullshit up like thirsty dogs.
Okay sorry, it just seemed like you were going on and on about how people go to clubs and don't support any independent events.
Anyway here's an explanation of why I've never gone out to a resistor event. Although I can only speak for myself, I have a feeling these comments would mirror those of many others:
1. There are only a few people on this board who care for psy/goa/trance. Hence you won't find many people here who care for events that feature this music. Om is the big exception, but the draw there has a lot to do with things other than the music.
2. The whole rave thing has (in my mind) become associated with some pretty negative conotations. When I think "rave", I think fucked up kids with pacifiers running around looking for their dealers. Yeah, I was one of those kids once and it was fun, but that's no longer my cup of tea. Your parties seem to project a bit too much of the ravey-gravey vibe for my likings (that's just the impression I get when I see your flyers, read posting on this board, etc....).
3. Your parties never seem to generate the kind of excitement necessary to get me to take a risk and do something new/unknown.
4. I often chose to go to clubs because I know exactly what to expect. Maybe I'm just getting old, but the unknowns of going to an undeground event have become annoying, rather than exciting.
5. The incentive of doing something "cool and trendy" by going to a rave-type thing are no longer there. Clubs on the other hand are cool and trendy. Trendiness works both ways -- it is responsible for the past explosion of dance music, but it is also responsible for it's present decline.
This post is turning out to be too long, so I'm gonna cut it off here. Anyway the point is, I don't go to your events because nothing (other than a feeling of charity) draws me there. I'm sure that's probably not fair, but it's the truth.
Also, like you said, the dance "scene" has become completely commercialized. Once something has been polluted with commercialization, I'm afraid the only real thing to do is pack up and go elsewhere. Trying to fight people's general stupidity is a lost cause.
Anyway here's an explanation of why I've never gone out to a resistor event. Although I can only speak for myself, I have a feeling these comments would mirror those of many others:
1. There are only a few people on this board who care for psy/goa/trance. Hence you won't find many people here who care for events that feature this music. Om is the big exception, but the draw there has a lot to do with things other than the music.
2. The whole rave thing has (in my mind) become associated with some pretty negative conotations. When I think "rave", I think fucked up kids with pacifiers running around looking for their dealers. Yeah, I was one of those kids once and it was fun, but that's no longer my cup of tea. Your parties seem to project a bit too much of the ravey-gravey vibe for my likings (that's just the impression I get when I see your flyers, read posting on this board, etc....).
3. Your parties never seem to generate the kind of excitement necessary to get me to take a risk and do something new/unknown.
4. I often chose to go to clubs because I know exactly what to expect. Maybe I'm just getting old, but the unknowns of going to an undeground event have become annoying, rather than exciting.
5. The incentive of doing something "cool and trendy" by going to a rave-type thing are no longer there. Clubs on the other hand are cool and trendy. Trendiness works both ways -- it is responsible for the past explosion of dance music, but it is also responsible for it's present decline.
This post is turning out to be too long, so I'm gonna cut it off here. Anyway the point is, I don't go to your events because nothing (other than a feeling of charity) draws me there. I'm sure that's probably not fair, but it's the truth.
Also, like you said, the dance "scene" has become completely commercialized. Once something has been polluted with commercialization, I'm afraid the only real thing to do is pack up and go elsewhere. Trying to fight people's general stupidity is a lost cause.
"it costs a fortune so it must be real..."
obviously i'm with graver on this one but in reply to gunark -
the one thing I can point out about psy parties in particular is that they are almost always 19+ which means no k-holed kids chewing their faces and whining about not being able to get a wrist band for booze. no need for medics because there are rarely situations where that would be required (i can't think of any at R351570R, blacklightactivists or DeepSeaFish's parties but maybe im not as observant as i think i am). and many more of the annoying things that are associated with large scale "raves" these days. (thug? what's a thug?)
If you don't like the music, and I am aware that not many people on this board enjoy or are familiar with this genre of electronic music, there's not much we can do to change that. obviously that's personal preference.
As much as I can respect mature minors (because i was there once - granted i was full-on goth but what does that matter really) I can sympathize with not wanting to hang out with a bunch of people who are JUST there to get high or cause trouble.
I guess, to an extent, I can see the appeal of some of the larger commercial parties in regards to the mostly 19+ crowd (which ideally is more mature) except you end up in venues where they turn up the heat in summer and turn off the cold water in the bathroom to force you to buy $8 bottles of water or more booze.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when real promoters do everything in their power (idea wise and financially viable) to make an amazing party (and im not just refering to goa/psy, this comment covers all the genres) and GCS still gets all the "Face time" when it's obvious to ANYONE who's even half awake that it's pretty much their last venue to advertise cigarettes and that's all they really care about. Add that to the huge fees they pay some of their headliners making it next to impossible for smaller parties to book these groups/djs later because suddenly the talent has been made aware that SOME people will give them exorbitant amounts that aren't reasonable in the really real world.
I know some oldschool promoters have scored some pretty good jobs organizing these events and they definitely do a a good job of throwing a HUGE ibiza-wannabe style party but again it comes down to - do you want VIBE and COMMUNITY and "the OLD DAYS" or do you want a meat market, richmond street type atmosphere but with more people?
I see a lot of posts about how the "scene" is dead and no one is throwing "real" parties anymore but it seems like all those people refuse to check out anything new, or different. As kids, many of us went out to raves for an adventure, to meet new people, to get that sense of chosen family and the real meaning of PLUR.
Granted I am definitely a "Dress up" whore. I like to go nuts with my costume-like wardrobe and immerse myself in other realms when i party (and no, i dont do drugs)
Are people getting old? jaded? Do you just not care anymore as long as you can go out and get loaded and maybe laid? I just don't get it. If you want clubs, that's totally cool, I can respect that 100% but a club isn't a party, or even an event. It's a regular night, maybe it rotates a bit, where you're supposed to just go and expect it to ALWAYS be the same. I know from personal experience that after about 2 or 3 months of the exact same thing every weekend it gets pretty dull.
This post is just getting way too long and I'm sure i've stepped on someones toes somewhere even though I'm trying to be as objective and to the point, without insulting anyone, as much as possible, so i'll just wind down here i guess.
In closing - both my post and gravers are not plugs for our parties. If they can be considered plugs at all, they are plugs for every smaller party/promoter who works their ASS off every month/quarter/year/week/whenever to CREATE something so fantastic, something amazing and memorable with what they have, with the reams of GREAT local talent(and occasionally international) and the help of volunteers, their friends and families and the true communities out there who really appreciate what this city has to offer. It is truly a great time to be in Toronto, there are SO many people making things happen but for some reason no one, except for a dedicated few, seem to care, while everyone else complains that there's nothing good going on.
You'll never find it unless you take a risk once in a while, even if we can't afford both covers and several full page ads in TRIBE, klublife, vice, MAXIM, UMM, EYE, NOW, etc etc etc.
Worst case scenario it's not what you hoped it would be and you're out, what, $10? There's always next weekend...
Love and light!!!
bathory
www.R351570R.com
obviously i'm with graver on this one but in reply to gunark -
the one thing I can point out about psy parties in particular is that they are almost always 19+ which means no k-holed kids chewing their faces and whining about not being able to get a wrist band for booze. no need for medics because there are rarely situations where that would be required (i can't think of any at R351570R, blacklightactivists or DeepSeaFish's parties but maybe im not as observant as i think i am). and many more of the annoying things that are associated with large scale "raves" these days. (thug? what's a thug?)
If you don't like the music, and I am aware that not many people on this board enjoy or are familiar with this genre of electronic music, there's not much we can do to change that. obviously that's personal preference.
As much as I can respect mature minors (because i was there once - granted i was full-on goth but what does that matter really) I can sympathize with not wanting to hang out with a bunch of people who are JUST there to get high or cause trouble.
I guess, to an extent, I can see the appeal of some of the larger commercial parties in regards to the mostly 19+ crowd (which ideally is more mature) except you end up in venues where they turn up the heat in summer and turn off the cold water in the bathroom to force you to buy $8 bottles of water or more booze.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when real promoters do everything in their power (idea wise and financially viable) to make an amazing party (and im not just refering to goa/psy, this comment covers all the genres) and GCS still gets all the "Face time" when it's obvious to ANYONE who's even half awake that it's pretty much their last venue to advertise cigarettes and that's all they really care about. Add that to the huge fees they pay some of their headliners making it next to impossible for smaller parties to book these groups/djs later because suddenly the talent has been made aware that SOME people will give them exorbitant amounts that aren't reasonable in the really real world.
I know some oldschool promoters have scored some pretty good jobs organizing these events and they definitely do a a good job of throwing a HUGE ibiza-wannabe style party but again it comes down to - do you want VIBE and COMMUNITY and "the OLD DAYS" or do you want a meat market, richmond street type atmosphere but with more people?
I see a lot of posts about how the "scene" is dead and no one is throwing "real" parties anymore but it seems like all those people refuse to check out anything new, or different. As kids, many of us went out to raves for an adventure, to meet new people, to get that sense of chosen family and the real meaning of PLUR.
Granted I am definitely a "Dress up" whore. I like to go nuts with my costume-like wardrobe and immerse myself in other realms when i party (and no, i dont do drugs)
Are people getting old? jaded? Do you just not care anymore as long as you can go out and get loaded and maybe laid? I just don't get it. If you want clubs, that's totally cool, I can respect that 100% but a club isn't a party, or even an event. It's a regular night, maybe it rotates a bit, where you're supposed to just go and expect it to ALWAYS be the same. I know from personal experience that after about 2 or 3 months of the exact same thing every weekend it gets pretty dull.
This post is just getting way too long and I'm sure i've stepped on someones toes somewhere even though I'm trying to be as objective and to the point, without insulting anyone, as much as possible, so i'll just wind down here i guess.
In closing - both my post and gravers are not plugs for our parties. If they can be considered plugs at all, they are plugs for every smaller party/promoter who works their ASS off every month/quarter/year/week/whenever to CREATE something so fantastic, something amazing and memorable with what they have, with the reams of GREAT local talent(and occasionally international) and the help of volunteers, their friends and families and the true communities out there who really appreciate what this city has to offer. It is truly a great time to be in Toronto, there are SO many people making things happen but for some reason no one, except for a dedicated few, seem to care, while everyone else complains that there's nothing good going on.
You'll never find it unless you take a risk once in a while, even if we can't afford both covers and several full page ads in TRIBE, klublife, vice, MAXIM, UMM, EYE, NOW, etc etc etc.
Worst case scenario it's not what you hoped it would be and you're out, what, $10? There's always next weekend...
Love and light!!!
bathory
www.R351570R.com
Re: Disgusted
lot's of us, i'm assuming you don't know us because judging by your love for psy/goa/trance/techno we must be in different scenes.
sorry i didn't post any "underground" parties in my best of thread, but to be honest i don't even think most of them had names...and i didn't want to be "too cool" and post things most people probably didn't even know about, but to make you feel better I'll include one underground house party that was amazing
there was that one in the summer with jojoflores in this great illegal space (can't remember where) - that was definitely in my top 3...AMAZING set, fun people, great vibe
i just didn't want to post it before because it wasn't "advertised" really, so what's the point
yes, in fact i used to be one of those people.
yes, well i don't know how long it took them (probably more than 6 hours) but i've definitely been to those events and many of them were fun - just didn't make the very top of my list - but are in the top ten (if that makes you feel better)
No, i don't go out to hear that type of music, sorry.
i'm sure it does sicken you, get over it.
i'm sorry you're having such a tough time with your parties
one of my friends LOVES them and goes to them all the time - if i liked the music i would go with him
just because you don't know of things that are happening in the rest of the "underground" scene, doesn't mean they don't happen
lot's of us, i'm assuming you don't know us because judging by your love for psy/goa/trance/techno we must be in different scenes.
sorry i didn't post any "underground" parties in my best of thread, but to be honest i don't even think most of them had names...and i didn't want to be "too cool" and post things most people probably didn't even know about, but to make you feel better I'll include one underground house party that was amazing
there was that one in the summer with jojoflores in this great illegal space (can't remember where) - that was definitely in my top 3...AMAZING set, fun people, great vibe
i just didn't want to post it before because it wasn't "advertised" really, so what's the point
yes, in fact i used to be one of those people.
yes, well i don't know how long it took them (probably more than 6 hours) but i've definitely been to those events and many of them were fun - just didn't make the very top of my list - but are in the top ten (if that makes you feel better)
No, i don't go out to hear that type of music, sorry.
i'm sure it does sicken you, get over it.
i'm sorry you're having such a tough time with your parties
one of my friends LOVES them and goes to them all the time - if i liked the music i would go with him
just because you don't know of things that are happening in the rest of the "underground" scene, doesn't mean they don't happen
BarneyIllfingas
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1. Sasha @ Aria (Montreal).
1. Sander Kleinenberg @ Stereo (Montreal).
3. Deep Dish @ Kool Haus (January).
4. Hybrid @ System Soundbar (September).
5. Danny Howells @ System Soundbar (March).
1. Sander Kleinenberg @ Stereo (Montreal).
3. Deep Dish @ Kool Haus (January).
4. Hybrid @ System Soundbar (September).
5. Danny Howells @ System Soundbar (March).
R4V4G3D_SKU11S
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Graver - While I love Resistor/Psy parties and everything, I have to say that your post was utter stupidness.
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