basketballjones
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i thought the same thing
never should have let them stay together
never should have let them stay together
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Survivor 29 Blood vs Water San Juan del Sur
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DJ Vuvu Zela
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I think she wants to be the one to blindside Jon so if she gets to the end she can claim that as her "big move" and also claim it was revenge for Jeremy, and by extension the others that were also victims of Jon's flip flopping between alliances, ultimately trying to jockey for favour from the jury.
If she takes Jocelyn out first then it ruins any potential blindside, and you also have to factor in his new idol that he can play if he expects to be voted out.
If she takes Jocelyn out first then it ruins any potential blindside, and you also have to factor in his new idol that he can play if he expects to be voted out.
SneakyPete
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Natalie wanting to get Jon out is for personal reasons not strategic reasons(though getting him out would also help her strategically). She wants to get back at him for orchestrating the departure of Jeremy.
DJ Vuvu Zela
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as i said before :
and seeing how it played out last night it appears to have been a very good decision.
i'm not a big fan of Natalie, but i think she's probably the best player left. however she could still lose to Missy (who is far more likeable), so it'll be interesting to see if she can take her out as well.
I don't really see much competition from the rest, but if Keith goes on to win the rest of the immunity challenges he may have a shot with the jury since he did very little to upset anyone and they may reward his ability in challenges which is pretty damn impressive considering his age.
and seeing how it played out last night it appears to have been a very good decision.
i'm not a big fan of Natalie, but i think she's probably the best player left. however she could still lose to Missy (who is far more likeable), so it'll be interesting to see if she can take her out as well.
I don't really see much competition from the rest, but if Keith goes on to win the rest of the immunity challenges he may have a shot with the jury since he did very little to upset anyone and they may reward his ability in challenges which is pretty damn impressive considering his age.
Bernnie Federko
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I'd be surprised if they weren't engaged...
DJ Vuvu Zela
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???
the previous vote Jon had immunity.
yes, they could have blindsided Jaclyn that vote, but then they would then have had to deal with Jon with an immunity idol and no chance of any blindside. plus Alec would still be in the game so that would surely cue Jon to try and form a new alliance with Alec & Keith knowing his original alliance was out to get him. Then you have a situation with 3 vs 3, and the Nat/Missy/Baylor alliance would have lost their numerical advantage.
the way Natalie played her strategy out deserves credit.
I see. I guess what I was saying is that there's only need for one blindside: breaking up J & J. If they got Jackyn out they wouldn't have needed to blindside Jon again. The only additional advantage Natalie has now is she's really strengthened her relationship with Kieth. Gawd Missy is such an old cougar. Cannot see past the dick to see her own kid.
Bernnie Federko
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I want an All Hot/Crazy Female cast.
I could get behind that.
Bernnie Federko
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Sorry for the delay, everyone. Real life, what can you do? Anyway, let’s begin the recap of the penultimate Survivor episode. The tribe returns from tribal council where Natalie has flipped her vote and voted out Alec over Keith. Jon and Jaclyn are very unhappy and Natalie begins damage control. She admirably feigns confusion over who she was supposed to vote for, and completely snows Jon and Jaclyn. They aren’t pleased with Natalie, but totally believe that it was an error rather than malice. Natalie also talks to Keith and cements that he owes her, and that he should vote with her to take out Jon. Keith is obviously willing, of course, that hasn’t stopped him from messing up earlier plans too.
On to the reward challenge which has Missy, Jon & Keith against Natalie, Baylor and Jaclyn. They’re tied together and navigating obstacles and solving a puzzle. The thing of note that occurs is that Missy injures her ankle pretty badly and her team wins. It’s a spa day with ‘spa food’, whatever that means. Jon gives up his reward to Baylor and Natalie volunteers for exile. That’s about as perfect a split for Natalie’s plan that she could have hoped for. Keith enjoys the food, shower and massage, Baylor proclaims Keith ‘cool’, and Missy’s ankle is not in good shape.
On to the immunity challenge, except first Medical is called in to examine Missy. The doctor can’t tell if it’s a severe sprain or a fracture and he can’t be sure unless they take an x-ray which would mean pulling Missy from the game. He does say it can wait a few days so she agrees to just immobilize it and keep going. She’s sitting out of the immunity challenge which involves balancing and keeping a vase from toppling. I’m not at all sure how this worked with ropes and what-not, but it doesn’t matter. It comes down to Natalie vs Jon and it appears that a gust of wind topples his vase (which he won’t shut up about), and Natalie wins. Phew, now her nefarious plot can be put into motion.
The plan is to split votes three ways, with 2 votes for Jon, 2 votes for Jaclyn and Jon/Jaclyn voting for Keith. First, though, they have to convince Missy. She is very unhappy about targeting Jon. Does she not want to win at all? She at first refuses, saying she doesn’t want to break her word. Baylor and Natalie work her hard. Natalie also tells Keith the plan and that he needs to just play sad at the tribal and DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT. That can’t be stressed enough.
On to tribal, where Keith is being pretty hammy in his acting sad, but this is hard to tell from his regular behavior. There’s lots of blather about staying loyal and whatever. We vote, and Missy has in fact jumped on board with the new plan. Jon hasn’t played his idol so there’s a three-way tie between Keith, Jon and Jaclyn and only Natalie, Baylor and Missy will re-vote. It’s three votes for Jon, LATER CHUMP.
Wednesday is now the finale and it should be very interesting. It sure looks like it’s Missy and Baylor going to the final with one of the other three fighting for that last spot. Keith or Jaclyn (if he wins immunity) should be eliminated at 5, with either Jaclyn or Keith going at 4 … unless they win immunity, in which case Natalie is probably screwed. I think if Natalie makes it, she’ll probably win (deservedly). If she doesn’t make it, I’m not at all sure what happens. Keith & Jaclyn have an automatic vote but it’s hard to be impressed with either of their games. Keith could potentially win just for virtue of being on the outs for so long and especially if the jury is bitter against Baylor & Missy.
Anyway, good luck everybody (who’s left, that is)!
On to the reward challenge which has Missy, Jon & Keith against Natalie, Baylor and Jaclyn. They’re tied together and navigating obstacles and solving a puzzle. The thing of note that occurs is that Missy injures her ankle pretty badly and her team wins. It’s a spa day with ‘spa food’, whatever that means. Jon gives up his reward to Baylor and Natalie volunteers for exile. That’s about as perfect a split for Natalie’s plan that she could have hoped for. Keith enjoys the food, shower and massage, Baylor proclaims Keith ‘cool’, and Missy’s ankle is not in good shape.
On to the immunity challenge, except first Medical is called in to examine Missy. The doctor can’t tell if it’s a severe sprain or a fracture and he can’t be sure unless they take an x-ray which would mean pulling Missy from the game. He does say it can wait a few days so she agrees to just immobilize it and keep going. She’s sitting out of the immunity challenge which involves balancing and keeping a vase from toppling. I’m not at all sure how this worked with ropes and what-not, but it doesn’t matter. It comes down to Natalie vs Jon and it appears that a gust of wind topples his vase (which he won’t shut up about), and Natalie wins. Phew, now her nefarious plot can be put into motion.
The plan is to split votes three ways, with 2 votes for Jon, 2 votes for Jaclyn and Jon/Jaclyn voting for Keith. First, though, they have to convince Missy. She is very unhappy about targeting Jon. Does she not want to win at all? She at first refuses, saying she doesn’t want to break her word. Baylor and Natalie work her hard. Natalie also tells Keith the plan and that he needs to just play sad at the tribal and DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT. That can’t be stressed enough.
On to tribal, where Keith is being pretty hammy in his acting sad, but this is hard to tell from his regular behavior. There’s lots of blather about staying loyal and whatever. We vote, and Missy has in fact jumped on board with the new plan. Jon hasn’t played his idol so there’s a three-way tie between Keith, Jon and Jaclyn and only Natalie, Baylor and Missy will re-vote. It’s three votes for Jon, LATER CHUMP.
Wednesday is now the finale and it should be very interesting. It sure looks like it’s Missy and Baylor going to the final with one of the other three fighting for that last spot. Keith or Jaclyn (if he wins immunity) should be eliminated at 5, with either Jaclyn or Keith going at 4 … unless they win immunity, in which case Natalie is probably screwed. I think if Natalie makes it, she’ll probably win (deservedly). If she doesn’t make it, I’m not at all sure what happens. Keith & Jaclyn have an automatic vote but it’s hard to be impressed with either of their games. Keith could potentially win just for virtue of being on the outs for so long and especially if the jury is bitter against Baylor & Missy.
Anyway, good luck everybody (who’s left, that is)!
basketballjones
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jaclyn is one entitled self important bitch
i also would love a crazy/hot survior
i also would love a crazy/hot survior
Bernnie Federko
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Finale nite!
Bernnie Federko
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Well deserved win for Natalie.
SneakyPete
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Was hoping for a Nat, Keith, and Jaclyn final three because Missy and Jaclyn didn't stand a chance against Natalie.
I just thought of something tonight, why didn't Jon pass the idol to Jaclyn when he got voted off or is that not allowed?
Love the pure pwnage of Missy by Reed.
I just thought of something tonight, why didn't Jon pass the idol to Jaclyn when he got voted off or is that not allowed?
Love the pure pwnage of Missy by Reed.
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Bernnie Federko
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Idols cannot be shared after the vote reveal (except in that one season which was lame).
DJ Vuvu Zela
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Natalie deserved it, but i thought she made a mistake taking out Baylor over Missy. Missy played a much stronger game, plus Baylor atlleastcould have completed in the last challenge to compete against Keith.
Keith probably would have won the final immunity if there wasn't a puzzle. Once i saw that part of the challenge I knew he was out.
Jaclyn also made a mistake keeping Natalie for the final 3, but ultimately it wouldn't matter since there was no way she would win against whomever she was against.
I was pretty shocked by that. From what the show presented to the audience there was no reason for Reed to have such vitriol for Missy. I didn't think Missy deserved to win over Natalie, but she generally seemed to have a very strong social game.
Also, Reed ended up voting for Jaclyn, so in my books he comes off as a grade 'A' idiot.
Keith probably would have won the final immunity if there wasn't a puzzle. Once i saw that part of the challenge I knew he was out.
Jaclyn also made a mistake keeping Natalie for the final 3, but ultimately it wouldn't matter since there was no way she would win against whomever she was against.
I was pretty shocked by that. From what the show presented to the audience there was no reason for Reed to have such vitriol for Missy. I didn't think Missy deserved to win over Natalie, but she generally seemed to have a very strong social game.
Also, Reed ended up voting for Jaclyn, so in my books he comes off as a grade 'A' idiot.
Isaac Hunt
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It seemed that missy just spoiled baylor with the very little that the tribes did have. Remember how much rice they went through? It just showed how selfish missy was and add that baylor was useless, people just didn't like her or the pair.
I thought Reed's speech was the best teardown I've seen in a long time. Very well thought out and delivered with eloquence. Loved seeing baylor cry during that final vote.
I read that he voted Jaclyn so that Missy did not get second place. This means that Jaclyn takes home more prize money. Not sure if it's true or not but it fits the calculated hate Reed had for both of them.
DJ Vuvu Zela
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Baylor wasn't on the tribe that pigged out on rice. Missy was, but so was Reed, so he certainly couldn't throw any stones for that.
As for Baylor being a brat, she seems like a typical american 20 year old girl to me. Certainly nothing new on survivor, and i've seen worse (in terms of being a brat). That's not to say Baylor was a good player - she wasn't.
I thought Reed's fairy tale analogy was painfully cheesy, but to each their own.
Bernnie Federko
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So, hey, Survivor! The show ended, and I won no money. Good enough? No? Fine.
We open with a live bit with Jeff, and I do not like these at all. And therefore I will ignore them. And we get the recap of the season, and I do not recap recaps. Feel free to re-read what I’ve previously written, I’ll wait. Done? Ok. The real episode opens with Jon having just been voted out and the tribe returning to camp. Things seem ok at first, but then Jaclyn is shouting at Natalie, because Natalie said that Jon wasn’t loyal to a fault. Jaclyn disagrees. Loudly. The argument degenerates to the point that I have no idea what either of them is saying.
On to the next day where we have a challenge to earn an advantage in the next immunity challenge. I don’t like this as a concept, and wow, am I coming across as negative so far. Sorry! The challenge involves untangling a rope, building a bridge and knocking over blocks. Missy does not participate because of her bum leg. Keith get out to an insurmountable lead in the rope portion, and he is insurmounted (i.e. he wins). His reward is to practice on the apparatus he will be using in the immunity challenge. He can practice all day, as long as he doesn’t stop. Once he stops, it’s over. It certainly looks like he practices a great deal on this mousetrap thingy where he has to navigate little metal balls through obstacles using a series of paddles. And that advantage helps Keith to an easy immunity win. They have to navigate three balls through the course, and Keith finishes all three while no one else even gets halfway through the first ball.
Therefore, with Keith having immunity, the expectation is that Jaclyn is doomed. Jaclyn makes an appeal to Natalie to split up the last family pairing, and Natalie seems receptive. This seems risky to me, leaving Natalie open to some danger in the next vote. Also, it’s not like Missy & Baylor are particularly well liked. On to the tribal council where there’s some blather about trust and whatnot. They vote and after the vote, Natalie asks Jaclyn if she voted as she said she would. Jaclyn did and so Natalie plays her idol on Jaclyn’s behalf. Three votes for Jaclyn are eliminated and Baylor is out and there goes my (extremely limited) shot at the $. Missy isn’t thrilled but she doesn’t hold any hard feelings for Natalie.
On to the last immunity challenge which involves a big course to retrieve puzzle pieces and then a puzzle. Missy won’t take part in this either, making it a three-way race. Keith and Natalie have a huge lead at the puzzle, but Jaclyn sticks with it (even through a fall down a fireman’s pole)and burns through the puzzle, claiming the win. Good for her. On to tribal council and Jeff tries to stir up some controversy by having them say why the others should be voted out. Doesn’t really work though, but then Jeff asks Natalie whether she can win, and Natalie gives a very through case why she can win. Bear in mind this is immediately before the last vote where Natalie can be kicked out. She really should have been less honest. Anyway, it’s time to vote and Keith is eliminated, leaving an all-women final.
Now, it’s the requisite celebration of the finalists and their fancy last breakfast. Blah, blah, blah they’re so awesome, and on to the last tribal. Missy opens and she says she was loyal. (Except of course, when she wasn’t as Jeremy and Jon could both attest to). I do not like the ‘I played with integrity’ angle at the best of times because it usually means you just had someone else do the real work. Jaclyn talks about how much she’s overcome and how she was involved in all of the decisions with Jon (so that it doesn’t look like she has just coasted through). I don’t love this as a tactic either. Frankly, it’s quite obvious that Natalie should be winning this. And Natalie feels the same and says so in her opening statement. She outlines all she’s done and it is truly an impressive amount of gameplay. She even points out that she should have been voted out in the last vote if they knew what they were doing (which they didn’t).
On to the jury: Jon goes first (which is probably bad for Jaclyn, getting her biggest supporter out of the way first). He asks Jaclyn to talk about what she did and she makes a valiant effort at it. Keith is upset that Natalie lied to him (yeesh, whatever). Alec has Natalie admit her biggest move of the game, which she says was to get Alec out. I think Alec believes this is a compliment to him, when really she just thought that Keith would be easier to use to get rid of Jon because Keith was way better than Alec at immunity challenges. Anyway, shut up Alec. Baylor is proud of her mom. That’s nice, I guess. Josh asks Jaclyn if she got to the end on her own merit or through the play of better players. Jaclyn obviously says merit, and clearly Josh doesn’t believe that’s the case. Wes asks a dumb question about getting to play with their loved ones, not that Natalie did at all. Jeremy makes a plea that Natalie deserves the win as being clearly the best player. Finally, Reed gives an insane anti-Missy speech about her being the wicked stepmother of the tribe. It’s pretty pompous and gross, and I don’t even like Missy. We’ve seen this before where a juror has built this idea up that they are the hero of their own story and they’re going to call out the villain (in their own mind). It’s just as terrible here as it ever is. Baylor is in tears.
On to the vote, and it’s obvious that Jon will vote for Jaclyn and Baylor will vote for Missy. But then we see Reed vote for Jaclyn and I’m surprised, and left wondering if the obvious end is not in fact going to occur. The answer is no, the obvious does happen. 1 vote for Missy, 2 votes for Jaclyn and all the rest for Natalie.
Congratulations, and the right person clearly won.
Maybe Reed voted for Jaclyn just so that she’d get second place over Missy. Anyway that’s all she wrote. I skipped the reunion show, but apparently the next season will be three tribes split by white collar vs blue collar vs ‘no collar’. See you all next year!
We open with a live bit with Jeff, and I do not like these at all. And therefore I will ignore them. And we get the recap of the season, and I do not recap recaps. Feel free to re-read what I’ve previously written, I’ll wait. Done? Ok. The real episode opens with Jon having just been voted out and the tribe returning to camp. Things seem ok at first, but then Jaclyn is shouting at Natalie, because Natalie said that Jon wasn’t loyal to a fault. Jaclyn disagrees. Loudly. The argument degenerates to the point that I have no idea what either of them is saying.
On to the next day where we have a challenge to earn an advantage in the next immunity challenge. I don’t like this as a concept, and wow, am I coming across as negative so far. Sorry! The challenge involves untangling a rope, building a bridge and knocking over blocks. Missy does not participate because of her bum leg. Keith get out to an insurmountable lead in the rope portion, and he is insurmounted (i.e. he wins). His reward is to practice on the apparatus he will be using in the immunity challenge. He can practice all day, as long as he doesn’t stop. Once he stops, it’s over. It certainly looks like he practices a great deal on this mousetrap thingy where he has to navigate little metal balls through obstacles using a series of paddles. And that advantage helps Keith to an easy immunity win. They have to navigate three balls through the course, and Keith finishes all three while no one else even gets halfway through the first ball.
Therefore, with Keith having immunity, the expectation is that Jaclyn is doomed. Jaclyn makes an appeal to Natalie to split up the last family pairing, and Natalie seems receptive. This seems risky to me, leaving Natalie open to some danger in the next vote. Also, it’s not like Missy & Baylor are particularly well liked. On to the tribal council where there’s some blather about trust and whatnot. They vote and after the vote, Natalie asks Jaclyn if she voted as she said she would. Jaclyn did and so Natalie plays her idol on Jaclyn’s behalf. Three votes for Jaclyn are eliminated and Baylor is out and there goes my (extremely limited) shot at the $. Missy isn’t thrilled but she doesn’t hold any hard feelings for Natalie.
On to the last immunity challenge which involves a big course to retrieve puzzle pieces and then a puzzle. Missy won’t take part in this either, making it a three-way race. Keith and Natalie have a huge lead at the puzzle, but Jaclyn sticks with it (even through a fall down a fireman’s pole)and burns through the puzzle, claiming the win. Good for her. On to tribal council and Jeff tries to stir up some controversy by having them say why the others should be voted out. Doesn’t really work though, but then Jeff asks Natalie whether she can win, and Natalie gives a very through case why she can win. Bear in mind this is immediately before the last vote where Natalie can be kicked out. She really should have been less honest. Anyway, it’s time to vote and Keith is eliminated, leaving an all-women final.
Now, it’s the requisite celebration of the finalists and their fancy last breakfast. Blah, blah, blah they’re so awesome, and on to the last tribal. Missy opens and she says she was loyal. (Except of course, when she wasn’t as Jeremy and Jon could both attest to). I do not like the ‘I played with integrity’ angle at the best of times because it usually means you just had someone else do the real work. Jaclyn talks about how much she’s overcome and how she was involved in all of the decisions with Jon (so that it doesn’t look like she has just coasted through). I don’t love this as a tactic either. Frankly, it’s quite obvious that Natalie should be winning this. And Natalie feels the same and says so in her opening statement. She outlines all she’s done and it is truly an impressive amount of gameplay. She even points out that she should have been voted out in the last vote if they knew what they were doing (which they didn’t).
On to the jury: Jon goes first (which is probably bad for Jaclyn, getting her biggest supporter out of the way first). He asks Jaclyn to talk about what she did and she makes a valiant effort at it. Keith is upset that Natalie lied to him (yeesh, whatever). Alec has Natalie admit her biggest move of the game, which she says was to get Alec out. I think Alec believes this is a compliment to him, when really she just thought that Keith would be easier to use to get rid of Jon because Keith was way better than Alec at immunity challenges. Anyway, shut up Alec. Baylor is proud of her mom. That’s nice, I guess. Josh asks Jaclyn if she got to the end on her own merit or through the play of better players. Jaclyn obviously says merit, and clearly Josh doesn’t believe that’s the case. Wes asks a dumb question about getting to play with their loved ones, not that Natalie did at all. Jeremy makes a plea that Natalie deserves the win as being clearly the best player. Finally, Reed gives an insane anti-Missy speech about her being the wicked stepmother of the tribe. It’s pretty pompous and gross, and I don’t even like Missy. We’ve seen this before where a juror has built this idea up that they are the hero of their own story and they’re going to call out the villain (in their own mind). It’s just as terrible here as it ever is. Baylor is in tears.
On to the vote, and it’s obvious that Jon will vote for Jaclyn and Baylor will vote for Missy. But then we see Reed vote for Jaclyn and I’m surprised, and left wondering if the obvious end is not in fact going to occur. The answer is no, the obvious does happen. 1 vote for Missy, 2 votes for Jaclyn and all the rest for Natalie.
Congratulations, and the right person clearly won.
Maybe Reed voted for Jaclyn just so that she’d get second place over Missy. Anyway that’s all she wrote. I skipped the reunion show, but apparently the next season will be three tribes split by white collar vs blue collar vs ‘no collar’. See you all next year!