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SUPERHERO MOVIE UPDATES

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Klubmasta Will, Oct 6, 2003.

  1. rave jedi

    rave jedi TRIBE Member

    With the backlash of both "Man of Steel" and "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" from the critics, I'm glad to see in the credits that Christopher Nolan and his wife Emma Thomas are still the Executive Producers for this "Justice League" film. They must be very tight because they haven't bailed on Zack Snyder yet. LOL
     
  2. J e l o

    J e l o TRIBE Member

    Accepting that I’m in the minority.
    What I’ve loved about the DC universe is the dark tales. The tales of earth in jeopardy, heroes who’ve turned evil, Villains to heroes. Stories like Superman:Red Son that suppose the hero crash landed in Russia, not Kansas, and how that affected the way Kal-El would turn out. Stories like The Dark Knight Returns (no, not like the film in-name-only) where our vigilante ‘hero’ who tries retirement from being Batman is haunted by his choice. Plagued by the choice,even. Realizing that the costume he wears is really Bruce Wayne, not The caped crusader, and the consequences he faces returning to Gotham as an older man fighting a new war. There’s ‘Kingdom Come’, a dystopian tale of the Justice League that has our heroes battling their offspring, relatives and protégés , resulting in an all out war that engulfs all nations and nearly destroys earth. ‘Flashpoint’, a dark story that has The Flash doing his best to get back to the point in time where he feels he can make the difference and what his past choices have led to...a place where his friends are now enemies with each other hellbent on mutual destruction. Batman, again, in ‘The killing Joke’, battles Joker to near death. Realizing that if he would kill the clown villain that he may be without true purpose. There’s more...but, often, these stories are considered to be DC comics best tales. They’ve been reprinted, they’ve been retold. They’ve been loosely adapted to live action film which ultimately watered down the initial idea of the art. The stories have been animated and they’ve been sequelized and retold again and again on pages. Even though these stories were told as a reaction to the original tales of these heroes, from a golden era where battling Nazis and bank robbers inspired hope to the readers, the titles I’ve mentioned are known as DCs best sellers. The reason why DC became a powerhouse publisher. The numbers are there.
    I’m sure someone, somewhere is recalling when Superman stopped a train from running over a dog, or when Wonder Woman helped a lost child reunite with a family, or when Aquaman helped clean up an area of an ocean. Maybe someone can recall when The Flash was fast enough to slow down a speeding car from running a red light and causing an accident. I’m sure. But, whoever you are out there ...you’re in the minority of sales. Sales are votes. I know that the primary idea was that heroes should inspire and that these stories helped build into that mythology. The stories laid the groundwork for other legends like ‘TDKR’ or ‘Kingdom Come’ to happen. Yet, when these dark stories emerged from print, they crushed it with mega sales across the planet. Somehow, when adapted to the silver screen, that caused distress among an audiences everywhere. I didn’t get it. Just like ...I don’t think McDonalds makes the worlds best hamburger...yet, there it is. The planets best selling hamburger. I disagree with that opinion but the sales dwarf whatever the hell my thoughts are. I don’t piss and moan much about it as I’ve accepted that people want their shit hot and fast so they can take a fast hot shit. Meanwhile, I’m over at Holy Chuck and baby...that’s a hamburger ! So, when people bitched and moaned about Man Of Steel being too dark, that their Superman doesn’t kill, I thought to myself ‘Which Superman would that be?’ When BvS came out and people gripes about Batman ‘Not being a killer’ or ‘Superman’ isn’t supposed to be moody’ I wondered to myself ‘Which story are they complaining about?’ Batman kills lots in TDKR. Superman self exiles himself in Kingdom Come and is super moody. Wonder Woman is practically militant in Kingdom Come. These are DCs best selling stories. Sadly, instead of translating these mighty tales to film, they’ve been adapted and then relayed to some wonky, stock holding round table of asshats who chose to say shit like ‘too dark’ and ‘not enough light’ and even worse ‘not funny enough’ Before I leave the impression that I think the DCEU is flawless I’ll inject and digress towards my opinions ...loved Man Of Steel. Easily the best Superman I’ve seen on film and it’s a gorgeous looking movie. BvS has moments of awesome mixed with moments of true diarrhea and that’s because many, especially the audience that voted with dollars, had this screwed up reaction suggesting that ‘Superman was too dark’. He’s an alien on Earth ...alone and one of the last of his species. Affleck completely rocked it as Batman. Not one scene prior to Ben in the warehouse comes close to that type of awesome. When he’s training in that film we could believe that this Batman kicks ass. We also finally see Bruce as a detective and technician within the bat cave. He nailed it as Bruce. But, that death thing doe. I could talk all day about the terrible casting for Luthor and the unnecessary addition of Doomsday. I’m on that team. Then, because BvS undelivered at the box office despite the $1billion it generated, Suicide Squad came at us like a bullet of spit. We’ll never know the actual film that director intended us all to see because the studio got cold feet when they saw the dailies, suggesting the film was ‘too dark’ despite the title of the film ...wait for it ... “Suicide Squad” and what that meant. None of them were supposed to live but hey...marketing could’ve gone with ‘Almost Suicidal Squad’. Could’ve worked, maybe? Then ‘Wonder Woman’ happened and the studio and audience did a collective sigh because it brought in the big dollars which means it worked on a level that shareholders and audience members could agree upon. I liked WW but it’s far from perfect. Where the hell did that laser beam come from at the climax ? Diana shoots lasers?! Now, on the eve of the release of ‘Justice League’ all reviews point to ‘fun’ and ‘great jokes’ with ‘not too dark, like MoS or BvS’ and I’m over here scratching my head apart. Which stories were they reading ?! The stories that sold less than half of TDKR ? Or ‘Flashpoint’ ?! Marvel films are transforming into parody, popcorn fodder, and very little discussion happens after that. For example, I’m sure that no one is going to be talking about Guardians 2 the way that people were talking about Guardians1 except for ‘not as good’. Thor:Ragnarok was fun, fast paced and had me laughing out loud a bit but it won’t be this memorable film that I’ll want to replay years from now. In fact, most of the new Marvel films have a disposable feel where I never feel anything is at stake really...just stuff happening without any true resolve. Maybe that’s why I’m so hopeful for the upcoming Infinity War because Thanos kills everyone in the Marvel Universe.
    Sorry...spoiler alert ?
    Mostly, it’s this ...when I watch a DC movie I want to see the dark. That’s why I go. I want to to reflect and have thoughts and discuss with my friends who or what or when could be different. The change. The twist. I do not hope for my DC films to be like Marvel. But, with regards to Marvel, I mostly just hope for Thanos to kill everything just so we can all move on to something else. We need alternative. That breeds new stuff and new stuff is cool. That’s why these dystopian and dark messed up stories were so badass to begin with. Because they offered us, the readers and potential theatre audience, the opportunity to see ‘what if’. Yes, I know Marvel printed that stuff first and yea I was a fan of their tales. But, no one ever really dies in Marvel, do they. Or DC...they’re guilty too. That’s why the publishers printed these What If stories to begin with ! Otherwise it’s onwards towards the never ending. This type of shit removes the stakes at hand. That’s why the dark ‘what if’ stuff is awesome ...it follows through. It ends things and allows new shit to start. Otherwise we see Magneto die, again. We see Lex Luthor go to prison, again. Do you think Batman might capture the joker, again? How about Wolverine...will he escape the treacherous mutant bad guy...again? I got chubbed when Marvel announced Wolverines death. But, wouldn’t you know it...he’s back. So is Magneto. So is Lex. Pretty sure The Joker is murdering someone with laughing gas and laughing about it. Shocker, isn’t it? A lot of people will take a dump on the film makings of Snyder and what he tried to do with the DCEU. For all the stuff he tried that didn’t work, and some of it didn’t for me too, he def tried to do something different than what was done before his efforts. His reward was getting heaps of po0p thrown at him by keyboard warriors seeking a McDonalds hamburger. These same viewers who reward ‘same, same again’ and fuel the stockholders to sequelize and trilogize stories that we’ve loved at first into this endless, stakes free world, where nothing changes. It’s all safe and they’ll see you soontimes, even if they have to recast. But, get excited cuz this time they’ve got XYZ director at the helm. He’s supposedly got more influence than the shareholders and the board of boredom, donchaknow. I am super excited about seeing Justice League because I’m a slut nerd for comics to film, an admitted sorry ass zombie slave, hypnotized to sleep walk over to the box office regardless of who or what is directing or starring. For example, Taika Waititi didn’t put my ass into a chair. It’s not a perfect hypnosis ...I skipped seeing Suicide Squad in the theatres, I passed over Spider Man:Homecoming and I won’t be seeing Ant Man 2: Ant Harder. I really saw Thor 3 for The Hulk and the wondering of how badly they screwed over the ‘Planet Hulk’ storyline but Thor’s triceps looked huge and the first three times he failed was funny. The 20 times after that not so much.
    Anyways, the initial tracking after opening weekend for MoS fared shittily for the rest of what could have been the DCEU and sadly we won’t be seeing the ‘what if’s’ and instead we are getting served the ‘you knew it !’ versions of these movies. Also, a studio and round table so desperate to catch up to the financials of their competitors that instead of doing their bestest to tell great stories that they did for us on the page, they’re serving us some McDonalds hamburgers. Enjoy the super size. It’s only an additional buck more.
     
  3. Thor: Ragnarok was far more entertaining than I was expecting - it's fun to see one of the least liked/loved Avengers on his own getting a goofy, silly, very fun and eye poppingly pleasing eye candy get a buddy movie treatment and skew expectations. Very happy with not having the best moments in the movie being shown in the trailers too. It's a great popcorn movie that gets a bit long, but the performances, especially Jeff Goldblum who looks like he's having a blast, more than make up for it. What a success from the guy who directed "What We Do In The Shadows".

    As for Justice League - it is better than the last installment of Batman vs. Superman, but not by much. Steppenwolf one of the most boring villains in years - dude is collecting McGuffins, is really tough and carries an axe that glows - that's it? Ben Affleck doesn't seem into the role of Bruce Wayne/Batman, which is a shame, considering how good he was in the role in the last film, and it doesn't help that his character is still pretty underwritten and not very interesting. And the battles are kind of meh - not very dynamic with faceless CGI alien cannon fodder that were a bit more compelling when they were the Chitauri in the first Avengers film. The battles were not very memorable. It's hard not to compare it to the Avengers, as Joss Whedon's reshoots are pretty obvious and there are even a few moments that feel almost completely copied from the first film (particularly when they're in the batcave bickering with each other - almost a carbon copy of the helicarrier scene in the first Avengers film)
    But there were some positives to it - Flash and Aquaman seem to hint at promising solo entries and Gal Godot registers strongly, and Snyder still has a decent visual style, despite having a tin ear for dialogue. Unfortunately, the film doesn't give a lot of human moments to help us identify with many of the characters, other than the above mentioned. This isn't quite as boring as BvS, but it doesn't have the rush that other superhero films have brought to the screen, and that includes Man of Steel for me.
    I'm glad I saw it, but wish I hadn't paid VIP pricing for it - I'll probably add it to the DVD collection only to prevent a stop gap in the series.
     
  4. basketballjones

    basketballjones TRIBE Member

    thor - ragnarok was all kinds of fun with the right amount of action to balance it out. the 3d was great on this movie. i think this, ant man, winter soldier and the first guardians have been the best of the movies on that side of marvel.
     
  5. Wiseman

    Wiseman TRIBE Member

  6. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    must. fight. urge. to watch. trailer.
     
  7. Wiseman

    Wiseman TRIBE Member

    Based on your posts in here you should avoid this trailer. There is a lot of info about the story.
     
  8. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    ^ I change the channel every time a Star Wars commercial comes on, and shut my eyes & plug my ears through trailers at the movie theater. I hate that movie studios are giving away more of the story/surprises than ever in their trailers these days, and I don't understand why fans are willing to spoil story surprises for themselves.

    If you were about to read a new book, you wouldn't flip to the middle/end to read a few paragraphs at various spots.

    I don't even like the fact that I've seen that screenshot (which looks awesome) in the Youtube image above. And I wish I could have avoided the Thor Ragnarok posters (revealing that Thor fights Hulk in the gladiator ring) before seeing the movie.

    F*ck trailers.
     
  9. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

  10. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

  11. They're trying to buy back Fantastic Four. X-men is very likely off the menu.

    Edit - Wow. they're selling their movie AND TV divisions. For 60 bil? Not sure if Fox is getting screwed or not. So yeah, X-Men does look like it's in play.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2017
  12. basketballjones

    basketballjones TRIBE Member

    disney is going to own fucking everything soon
     
  13. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    I'm torn on the Disney/Fox news.

    On one hand, I would LOVE to see all the amazing things this would open up for the Marvel Cinematic Universe:
    • Secret Wars
    • Avengers vs. X-Men, for the fate of mutants/Magneto
    • Avengers vs. X-Men, for the fate of Phoenix
    • Steve Rogers reuniting with Logan, after having fought together in WW2
    • Tony Stark meeting Reed Richards, the smartest human
    • Tony Stark meeting Dr. Doom, the second smartest human
    • Dr. Strange vs. Dr. Doom
    • A proper Fantastic Four movie
    • A proper X-Men movie (without Mystique as the star which has always been stupid)
    • Galactus vs. Avengers, FF, X-Men
    • Dark Phoenix vs. Avengers, FF, X-Men
    • Onslaught vs. Avengers, FF, X-Men
    • Dr. Doom vs. Thanos
    • House of M
    • Age of Ultron (the real storyline, where Wolverine sacrifices himself)
    • The real Old Man Logan storyline, where the main baddies are the Hulk Gang
    • Wolverine “Enemy of the State” – my all-time favourite Wolverine story – where a brainwashed Wolverine goes after everyone, taking out the X-Men, FF, Daredevil and others, until finally Captain America brings him down
    • Wolverine vs. Elektra and The Hand
    • Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, the Switched Bodies storyline
    • Spider-Man friendship with Johnny Storm
    • Peter Parker dating Kitty Pride
    • The Illuminati (Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, Namor, Black Bolt, T’Challa, Dr. Strange)
    • World War Hulk
    On the other hand, we could lose a ton of edgier projects and one of the main competitors in the field which is never a good thing. Lots of articles mentions that, without the competition, we likely never would have gotten Deadpool and the Planet of the Apes series. Who knows what new and great ideas would be lost if the industry lost such a big competitor? Disney would focus on projects that are sure to make money and push merchandising sales, and edgier projects might be lost.

    I wish the deal was simply Disney buying back the X-Men and FF properties, and not the whole company. If the only choice were the entire deal, or not at all, I would rather the deal not happen. But it may be a foregone conclusion at this point.

    It will be interesting to see if Marvel ditches any of its Phase 4 projects, as the natural next big project would be Avengers vs. X-Men, or introducing the FF as a prelude to Secret Wars.
     
  14. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    I want a daredevil season on Netflix following his prison arc, which were a wicked set of the comics!!
     
  15. Wiseman

    Wiseman TRIBE Member

    I want this:[​IMG]
     
  16. Wiseman

    Wiseman TRIBE Member

  17. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    *touches fists with everyone in thread*
     
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  18. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    It will be interesting to see if Disney/Marvel keep any of the existing X-Men actors (Hugh Jackman would likely require close to Robert Downey Jr. money to reprise the Wolverine role) or if they will start fresh with new/younger actors.

    It will be interesting to see if Marvel's existing Phase 4 will include any of the new characters, or if they will save all that for Phase 5.
     
  19. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    I bet they are keeping fassbender until he is grey and wrinkled
     
  20. When Disney launches their streaming channel in 2019, they're going to be a very formidable foe of Netflix.

    And they got the original Star Wars with the purchase. I had no clue or I completely forgot that the original trilogy was still 20th Century Fox's property.

    The downside to this though, is we're probably going to see the recent R rated fare (like Deadpool and Logan) scaled back or even eliminated.
     
  21. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

  22. basketballjones

    basketballjones TRIBE Member

    they would have to be retarded to change deadpool or movies like logan. jackman is never going to play wolverine again.....unless they hand him a blank check. then again it is time as he isnt in any of the new x-men films so they can cast a younger guy or just use x-23.
     
  23. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

  24. Right now it's a bad idea. But if there's one bad Marvel R rated movie (like think Blade 3) with enough of a financial loss (or even if a movie didn't meet opening box office expectations), it could stop or at least seriously curtail more of the like.
     
  25. Klubmasta Will

    Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member

    Just when you thought the reviews for a Marvel movie could not get better …….
    Black Panther

    Marvel knows how to find the most talented directors/writers, and best cast. It is comical (pun intended) how much better they are at this than DC. I do not recall seeing full reviews for a blockbuster movie so far ahead of its release date. They obviously know they have a winner on their hands.

    Can’t wait for Feb. 15!
     

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