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Strike!

Spinsah

TRIBE Member
Why don't we just get rid of Unions?

I mean they're obviously only looking out for the worker...what is the point in that?

:rolleyes:
 
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SneakyPete

TRIBE Member
What about the consumers? Unions make unreasonable demands(this is up for debate, but this is the other side of the coin) to the point it forces businesses to raise the price of products therefore consumer suffers. What about the business owners? Sure they make millions but they also invested millions. Shouldn't they get a decent return on their investment? If they don't get a decent return on their investment they wouldn't be in the buisness, and when they're not in the business there are no jobs.

Pete
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by janiecakes
don't you smilie face me mr. anti-union-picket-line-crosser!

would you rather have me be mr. unemployed-can't-go-drinking-with-you-all-day-sunday? would that be better? :p

cause if i don't show up, they'll fire my ass. :(
 

janiecakes

TRIBE Member
you'd just better bring those strikers some donuts and be nice to them!

and then on sunday i am going to convince you that you DO support unions.
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by janiecakes
you'd just better bring those strikers some donuts and be nice to them!

and then on sunday i am going to convince you that you DO support unions.

you're welcome to try, but i warn you, heavier drinkers than you have failed mightily in this task.
 

aether

TRIBE Member
Dear god, why doesn't anyone think of the consumers?!

I want my cheap goods! Why don't we just farm out all labour to third world those poor kids in the third world? Hey, we'd be helping them.. right now they can't even feed themselves, so them earning 7c an hour could only help.. + i'd be getting my cheap nike's so.. it's win-win as far as I can see it.

Of course, I'd be working 6 days a week, and earning much less.. but at least I wouldn't be sitting around bored on my fat lazy ass munching donuts all day.. and, not having any benefits, it would get me motivated to finally get in shape!

Go union-busters go.. Solidarity for Never!
 
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DarkNemesis

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Rosey
and odds are that i'll be dodging picket lines tomorrow. no biggie.

but dodging picket lines are fun, i did it a few years ago when the highschool teachers were on strike :) :p
 

Little1

TRIBE Member
I work at the Ministry Of Finance (MOF) on contract, and the majority of the people I work with are OPSEU members including myself. I work a night shift, and since the deadline is midnight, the senior management decided it would be a good idea to let everyone leave at 11 as opposed to 12.45 when we normally get out. There is an OPSEU headquarters right across the street from my building, so there were people already standing around outside. All the senior managers are sleeping in the building tonight, they all brought sleeping bags and pillows.

I have to be there tomorrow at 9 to picket, which is totally going to suck. Standing around in the cold for 4 hrs isn't my idea of fun but I have to show my support.

And from what I hear, the CAW is going to be backing OPSEU. As well, the prison guards are going to be out front of my building tomorrow, and they are pissed. Things might get ugly...should make for an interesting day.

I really feel sorry for the public who are really going to suffer from all of this. If this goes on for any length of time, a lot of people are going to be screaming. What happens to all the people who need to renew licences, replace health cards, etc.? The call center in my building handles most of the calls for the MOF across the province, and they are going to be shut down. I can already see the mess this is going to cause.
 

Vidman

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^^^ that's the point... piss everyone off so their bosses have no choice but to do it their way or negotiate
 
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Little1

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Vidman
^^^ that's the point... piss everyone off so their bosses have no choice but to do it their way or negotiate

I totally understand that that's the point of the whole thing, but it is going to create a problem for a lot of people. Another thing, the gov't might let things go for a few weeks before they decide to resolve anything. They save almost a quarter billion for every week that the strike lasts, since they don't have to pay employees.
 

Vidman

TRIBE Member
Yeah.. ugh.. I'm glad I have my G :]. My gf booked her test for .. next month I think. I doubt it'll last that long, but everything's going to be backed up... a lot of backlog.. ugh.

I'm just happy my mom's not part of it. She's a part of OPSEU but not the part that's striking. whew.
 

Little1

TRIBE Member
^^^I had hoped that wasn't going to be the case but deep down I knew that was going to be the verdict. Shit, I guess that means I should head to bed soon, gotta picket at 9am.
 
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Rosey

TRIBE Member
well, although the strike is on, there was no picket in front of my building today. that's not really surprising considering the relatively low profile of my building compared to the obvious targets of queen's park and the macdonald block around the corner.

however, a greater union presence is expected to be visible in the next few days as they get more effectively organized.

so far the only differences for me have been:
- had to sign in when i arrived
- certain of the network shared drives are offline for 'security reasons'
 

Klubmasta Will

TRIBE Member
shit, guess i'll be driving around with a FEB sticker on my license plate for awhile longer.

"fight for your right to party" - beastie boys

"party for your right to fight" - public enemy
 

416

TRIBE Member
What's up the government's offer anyway? They wanna get in there and jimmy the union's pension? booooooooooooo, mind your own business. Silly government. We've all seen what happens when the Gov gets it's hands on the old pension action.

Also, 2% raise per year? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I would spit in my manager's face if he gave me a 2% raise. It's unreasonable.

No wonder they're striking.

Are you picketing Jane? I'll come by and point and laugh at your communist ass some day if you are.

How did your first day go Steph? At least it's warm out. Hope you go back to work soon.
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Strike Protocol

The picketers outside my building have already broken 2 rules of strike protocol since they showed up around 9am. They have been holding up employees for much longer than 15 minutes, and even worse, they are not letting people LEAVE the building.

I can guarantee they will get away with it, and avoid any kind of reprimand. Why do union protesters receive such favourable and lenient treatment compared to your run-of-the-mill protesters? Oh yeah, that's right ... because unions have millions and millions of dollars to buy political sway (money they syphon out of every worker's paycheque, no less).
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
from the star...

Driver and vehicle licensing, health-care registration, social programs, and production of birth, marriage and death certificates are among the first services affected by the job action of 45,000 provincial public servants who went on strike at 12:01 this morning.

But all crucial services affecting public health and safety such as jails, psychiatric hospitals, water treatment plants, welfare cheque production and the courts will operate as usual.

Talks between the Ontario Public Service Employees Union and the government broke down at 10:30 a.m. yesterday, and both sides had not returned to the bargaining table at press time, union spokesperson Katie FitzRandolph said.

The union's contract expired Dec. 31 and its members are in a legal strike position. At issue are cuts to programs, wages, a government demand for changes in the union's pension plan, and job security and benefits.

"Clearly, the employer is not interested in dialoguing with us about rebuilding our public services," union president Leah Casselman told reporters yesterday.

"(The government negotiators) certainly have our cellphone numbers if they want to call and resume bargaining."

Earlier, Management Board Chair David Tsubouchi alleged that ambulance dispatchers in Hamilton had threatened not to answer 911 calls in the event of a strike.

"I think it's disgraceful, frankly, that there would be any consideration of putting people's lives at risk," he said. "These people have already been designated as essential services and part of their job ... is, in fact, to answer 911 calls."

But Casselman said the government never asked 911 dispatchers to be part of the essential service agreement it had reached with the union in negotiations.

"Neither in this round or the last round (of negotiations) had the employer asked that answering the phone be an essential work," she said. "But our workers are committed to ensuring there are public safety (services) in Ontario ... part of that is answering the phone whether the employer thinks that it is an essential service or not."

The government's offer included a 1.95 per cent raise in each of three years for general OPSEU members, an immediate 10 per cent wage increase for nurses working at provincially run hospitals, and 8 per cent increases for provincial scientists and ambulance dispatchers.

The union is demanding a 5 per cent raise in each of three years, plus special hikes in positions where it's hard to hire and retain staff.

Essential services forbidden by law from participating in strikes include jails, public health laboratories, psychiatric hospitals, the Ontario Clean Water Agency, welfare cheque production and court workers.

About 30,000 other Ontario civil servants will be on the picket lines.

Health facilities and services will stay open, but new or replacement health cards will not be available. The ministry INFOline will be closed.

Driver examinations will be cancelled, and no new or replacement driver's licences will be processed.

Registrar-General offices will be closed to people seeking birth, death, or marriage certificates. No registrations or business incorporations will be processed.

Ontario Student Assistance Program services will be closed, as will residences at schools for deaf, blind and other disabled students, and education and employment training information centres.

Ontario's public services have been cut to the bone by the governing Conservatives and it is time for the government to rebuild the system, Casselman said.

"After Walkerton, after the Andersen Consulting fiasco, after scathing provincial auditor's reports, the Mike Harris government still hasn't grasped that there is a crisis in Ontario, and that it's a crisis in public services.

"The government isn't in a financial crisis,'' Casselman said. ``The economy has turned around quite dramatically. They have money for a corporate tax cut; they have money for private schools; they have money for Mr. Harris — yet another legal battle in relation to Ipperwash.

``We think that if they want to invest in public services, they are ready to pay for it now."

Casselman said the union has a reserve fund of $27 million; a strike will cost it about $5 million a week. "We have had the support from all the other unions. We will have enough money for whatever it takes," she said. "So how long will the strike lead? It depends on the government's decision."

The union also asked Mike Harris to get involved, even though he is stepping down as Premier March 23.

Tsubouchi said that, as of last night, the two sides were still about $250 million apart on money. "Salaries are at the bottom of this," he insisted.
 
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