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Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by AlyG, Mar 12, 2002.

  1. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member

    Tonight @ midnight-ish we'll hear whether the OPSEU members have decided to strike. I'm working as a temp for the Ministry of the Environment (MOE!) so am not going to be as affected as my coworkers, but this may be a BIG inconvenience. I just don't understand why the union members want to strike... I'm doing some HR work here and I see how good a deal you can get while working for the government. Many workers, (dinosaurs as I call them), can get away with doing as little as possible, yet they have such security that they almost never get fired. Not everyone is so lax mind you, but the possibility is there and is taken advantage of by some people.
    Many rumors are flying right now, some saying that the union is using this possible strike along with the upcoming election to get as much support as possible...whomever gives them support has guaranteed votes from the public sector. I’m not into those mind games, all I see is a bunch of people (MANY on contract) who care about their job and won’t be able to work during this time period...all for the sake of a few permanent union-nut people.:rolleyes:
  2. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    meh, i'm in MOH, but i'm with the other union, the one that settled last month. and odds are that i'll be dodging picket lines tomorrow. no biggie.

    my understanding is that there are some real problems in the corrections side of OPSEU, abuse of power and negligance from some managers. the union members in that area are pushing for a strike to bring those issues to light.
  3. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member

    AlyG if you don't understand why they're striking here's some information from the OPSEU website :


    TORONTO – Forty-five thousand Ontario public service workers will be on strike at midnight tonight unless the government returns to the bargaining table with immediate and dramatic changes to its latest offer, the Ontario Public Service Employees Union says.

    “Usually calling a strike is a difficult decision, but in this case it is very straightforward,” said OPSEU president Leah Casselman. “The key features of the government’s central offer are unchanged from the one that 88 per cent of our members rejected at the end of February.”

    The employer is still demanding major concessions and has rejected union proposals aimed at rebuilding a public service shattered by nearly seven years of cuts, layoffs, and privatization, Casselman said.

    “After Walkerton, after the Andersen consulting fiasco, after scathing provincial auditor’s reports, the Mike Harris government still hasn’t grasped that there is a crisis in Ontario, and that it’s a crisis in public services,” Casselman said. “We say it’s time to rebuild, and the way to do that is to support the hardworking people on the front lines of public service delivery,” she said.

    Among several major concessions, the government is demanding that OPSEU members give up their legal right to use surpluses in the $10-billion OPSEU Pension Trust to fund pension improvements. The government has not moved from its original attacks on contract workers. Over $10 million in benefit cuts are also on the table.

    “You can’t have a strong, accountable public service if you don’t recognize the work of the people who are the foundation of the public service,” Casselman said.

    “We are disappointed to find out that, after nearly seven years in government, the Mike Harris government has not been able to learn this simple lesson.”


    I'm working for the Government as well (Ministry of Transportation) should make things interesting for me... might have a nice little vacation coming up!

    One of my co-workers just told me that they've (OPSEU) walked out of negotiations, but I have yet to confirm this for myself.

    Fun times!
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  4. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member

    I really like working for this ministry, there are a lot of cool things going on, people who really enjoy what they're doing and like making a difference. But the type of slacking that goes on here, granted by a few, just would not happen in the private sector, (not even at AT&T!). I think people should take that into consideration, that and the overall wishes of the employees...most that I know don't want this. I know people weren't satisfied with previous strikes that lasted weeks, why go into it all over again?:confused:
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  5. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    the kid is right, the public service has been gutted and a lot of the inertia that you see is because in some areas there is just no hope! two people are left doing the same job that 10 did 10 years ago. how do they do it? standards have been raised to disqualify more citizens from the service or lowered to reduce the quality of the service given.

    the problems were started by the Rae government which stacked the (formerly neutral) OPS with NDP supporters. then the tories came in, cleared house of all the politically undesirables and brought in PC backers to top civil service positions....then cut the fuck out of everything. :(
  6. labRat

    labRat TRIBE Member

    i find that all union workers are fat, lazy and stupid. that hargrove guy and all other union leaders are just milking the system and livin' it up off of all those union dues that pour in every month.

    i remember crossing the picket line at what used to be Westinghouse in Hamilton back almost five years ago. Man, that was fun!!! We had to wait until the picketers left in front of the building and then run in.

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  7. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member

    I agree with you there, the reason I'm here is to help handle the hiring of new staff...For positions we lost in the cutbacks. Strikes just seem so extreme, is there no other way to handle this?
  8. AdRiaN

    AdRiaN TRIBE Member


    I'm with Ministry of Finance, and not a member of OPSEU. In fact, the vast majority of staff in our building do not belong to this union. However, after talking with some older co-workers, apparently extensive picketing and harassment took place during the previous OPSEU strike.

    Whether or not you agree with their demands, I think it's glorified bullying to block entrances and yell at employees who have nothing to do with your strike. Even worse, OPSEU will likely bring in goons from the Steel Workers or CAW to strengthen picket lines. Again, these people have nothing to do with the dispute.
  9. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    Re: Strikes

    true! on my floor there is only one person who is actually in OPSEU (out of more the 60 contracters, consultants, managers, temps, AMAPCEO members, and secondees). but on other floors there are a couple of dozen, so we are expecting some issues. we've all recieved training in 'how to get across the picket line' and stuff....

    must remember to bring my lunch tomorrow, won't be able to go out for food. :(
  10. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member

    Re: Re: Strikes

    Hmmm...no training here! Will I be the mashed up little girl in the corner? Nooo Leah, I'm not a scab I swear!:eek:
  11. labRat

    labRat TRIBE Member

    throw on your Ursus Mark VI suits and be prepared for the fight of your life.

  12. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member

    I'm one of the only employees in my office who ISN'T covered under OPSEU....

    ...it's hard to say how much I'll be effected here... I work out of a Driver Examination Centre and the general sentiment is that most people want to continue to work, however, who knows what will happen should a strike actually occur.

    I'm really looking forward to the possibility of a vacation
    though, 'cause I'm your typical fat, lazy and stupid government employee...!

  13. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member


    Grrrrr, watch out for the temp terror!
  14. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    no training?!?!?! that ain't right!

    seriously, it's an OPS requirement that all staff, regardless of classification recieve training on this.

    here's what i remember:
    - they are technically not allowed to delay you for more than 15 minutes at the line
    - when you arrive at the line, find the captain, identify yourself to him/her and agree to when 15 minutes is up, if they are holding you that long.
    - do not talk to or discuss anything with other picketers.
  15. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member

    Re: no training?!?!?! that ain't right!

    Thanks Rosey! Much appreciated...I'm not downtown (@Yonge and Finch yuck) but there are many offices around here. Maybe I'll get help from the military guys upstairs, GI Joe help meeeeee:)
  16. ADT

    ADT TRIBE Member

    The union workers can suck my %$#@

    theyre all waaayyyyy overpaid..

  17. twist

    twist TRIBE Member

    careful I saw the movie and the proletariat gets gunned down in the end.
  18. Boo

    Boo TRIBE Member

    Awww, I thought this was a bowling thread :(

    Bowling is fun! Even when you're not working :)
  19. AlyG

    AlyG TRIBE Member

    It's getting pretty hilarious here at the moment. No one is working anymore, hanging around and talking about strikes...of course it's almost time to go in the public sector:p
  20. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    for the record, although i am in AMAPCEO, i did not choose to be, and do not support unions in general. i was basically forced into one after i accepted what i thought was a management-exempt contract (only to be told later that they had made a mistake and it was not exempt).

    i will cross the picket lines. and i'm sure a lot of OPSEU people would too, but they would be blackballed for doing it.
  21. ADT

    ADT TRIBE Member

    Im from a union family.. and yes they are mostly overpaid drunks who dont deserve to be earning 1/2 of what theyre getting paid..(which is probally way more than you'd believe)

    at least the ones from my family..

  22. gRoOviegurl

    gRoOviegurl TRIBE Member

  23. gRoOviegurl

    gRoOviegurl TRIBE Member

    I agree.

    OVERpaid AND UNDERworked!!!!!!
  24. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    Association of Management, Administrative & Professional Crown Employees of Ontario

  25. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    and you are the expert on this because......?

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