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some dudes in Ottawa are making $4800 a month to shoo pigeons


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apparently I'm wasting my time at school

I just saw in the paper that some guys are making $4,800 a month to shoo pigeons and seagulls off of the statue of Alexander Mackenzie on parliament hill :eek:


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Originally posted by Mr_Furious
apparently I'm wasting my time at school

I just saw in the paper that some guys are making $4,800 a month to shoo pigeons and seagulls off of the statue of Alexander Mackenzie on parliament hill :eek:

Just wanted to confirm.........is that shoo or shoot??

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shoo :p

we all know how much you love the animals.....even the stupid pigeons

I heard it was a $4,000 fine to kill a pigeon.....


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Scientists create remote-controlled rats
'Ratbots' trained to carry out commands
May 1, 2002 Posted: 2:49 PM EDT (1849 GMT)

A rat is given a command to turn right using a remote-controlled micro stimulator as he climbs a tree in San Antonio, Texas.

"If you have a collapsed building and there are people under the rubble, there's no robot that exists now that would be capable of going down into such a difficult terrain and finding those people, but a rat would be able to do that," said John Chapin, a professor of physiology and pharmacology at the State University of New York in Brooklyn.

The lab animals aren't exactly robot rats. They had to be trained to carry out the commands.

Chapin's team fitted five rats with electrodes and power-pack backpacks. When signaled by a laptop computer, the electrodes stimulated the rodents' brains and cued them to scurry in the desired direction, then rewarded them by stimulating a pleasure center in the brain.

The rats' movements could be controlled up to 1,640 feet away, the length of more than five football fields.

The findings appear in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Other researchers said the work is interesting but is an engineering feat, not an advance in animal neuroscience.

Randy Gallistel, a professor of psychology and cognitive science at Rutgers University, said it's basically the same thing, with a twist, that scientists found they could do almost 50 years ago by stimulating the reward-sensing area of a rat's brain.

"Without the gee-whizery, without the remote-control and so on, that this kind of thing was possible has been obvious for decades," he said.

Could save humans
The experiments used three implanted electrodes -- one in the brain region that senses reward or pleasure, and one each in areas that process signals from the rat's left and right whisker bundles.

Electrodes implanted in rats' brains create remote-controlled rodents that scientists say could eventually be used in search and rescue efforts.
Chapin's team trained the rats in a maze by signaling the left and right whisker-sensing regions. When a rat turned in the correct direction, its reward-sensing region was stimulated.

Activating only the reward region caused the rodents to move forward, the team found.

After training, the rats were tested in a variety of environments and remotely guided through pipes and across elevated runways. They were compelled to climb trees and ladders and to jump from varying heights.

The rodents could even be commanded to venture into brightly lit, open areas -- environments they normally would avoid.

Howard Eichenbaum, a professor of psychology at Boston University, said the research, while not a major advance, is "clever" and holds the promise of using animals as humans' "eyes" or as couriers to reach trapped victims.

Ethical concerns?
Aside from the technological challenges, he said there may be ethical concerns about turning animals into "intelligent robots" serving humans.

"It's one thing to see a rat running around like this, people don't get too emotional about that, but as soon as you get into dogs or work animals, people start getting real excited," he said.

The potential of using such implantable electrodes to control humans -- which a Tulane University researcher tried during the 1960s, with unclear results -- is something Chapin said he opposes so strongly he believes it should be illegal.

Kate Rears, a policy analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, said technological advances mean human-control technology can no longer be dismissed as far-fetched.

"I think that a lot of people are very wary of that sort of thing and understandably so," Rears said. "I don't think it's a sign of paranoia to react against this because it is very odd. It's Brave New Worldish."

... if they can do it with rats....they must have already done it with pigeons!