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Some advice wanted on ANIMAL CRUELTY

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by MoFo, Feb 24, 2002.

  1. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    No, I am not doing a homage to my fellow cat skinning peers at Ocad.

    I pretty much work and go to school everyday and I walk to the subway down Albion Street. A couple of houses from the station, there's this ratty ol' house with a family living in it and I've noticed for the last couple of years that the dog (a Siberian husky type) is ALWAYS tied to the fence even in freezing, snowy weather.

    It never barks, it doesn't snarl and it genuinely looks healthy and friendly.

    My question is how far can owners go with treating animals like they're animals? I really want this dog to be loved and to have the freedom to walk without being tied to a chain. I don't know anyone who does this to their pets.

    Some points about the dog:
    - the chain is about 10 feet or so
    - the dog's coat looks great so I'm assuming it's being fed well
    - periodically, it's not outside
    - it walks in circles and NEVER barks at anyone walking by
    - I've personally witness it numerous times lying in the snow in 20 below weather

    I totally disagree with tying a dog to a fence day and night. Sometimes I'll go to school in the morning and see it. And then come home from work at night after school and it's still there. That's about a 10 hour span.

    I haven't surveyed it enough to actually know if they take it in during the day or take it for walks but I'm guessing they don't. Even in the hot summer, the dog is tied and the kids tease it with it still on the chain. Every time it runs, he stretches the chain and gets jerked back.

    How do I report this? Do I ever bother? Am I overreacting? Help.
  2. H2Whoa

    H2Whoa TRIBE Member

    Call the Humane society, please. I will if you don't.
  3. noahmintz

    noahmintz TRIBE Member

    I'm not an expert on the subject ... but maybe you should call the Humane Society

  4. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    Sounds good. I will tomorrow during business hours.
    So tying a dog to a fence is bad, I take it? And I am being so serious cuz I don't have a pet but I know that I don't think I could do that to my dog.

    That's why I am questioning whether this is a normal thing or an acceptable thing for dog owners.
  5. noahmintz

    noahmintz TRIBE Member

    Tying a dog to a fence would be acceptable IF ... there was no fence around the yard ... and if it was only for a short period of time

  6. PosTMOd

    PosTMOd Well-Known TRIBEr

    People who own large dogs in the city are idiots.

    One thing, however: don't worry about the dog out in the cold if it is a husky... they can handle (in fact, they love the cold) -40 Celsius.

    I used to own two huskies... one of them was the dumbest dog ever-- even with a choke chain with huge spikes on it, it would constantly try to kill itself.... *yank* *choke* *yank* *choke*...
  7. Karim

    Karim TRIBE Member

    Ughh, too cruel. Haha

    I would call it in, just to make sure. It wouldn't hurt.

  8. PosTMOd

    PosTMOd Well-Known TRIBEr

    Exactly what I would think every time I took him for a walk... funny, yet not...

    Seriously, the dumbest dog ever... and he would eat anything... at a small pine tree once, and another time a box of crayons (colourful shit the next day), and one time he ate a styrofoam cooler.
  9. swenard

    swenard TRIBE Member

    I agree about the dog maybe liking the cold! My buddy owns a malamute, which is allowed to come and go as it pleases and it only comes in the house in the summer when its hot outside. I've seen the dog buried under a foot of snow before and it was as happy as could be!
  10. Plato

    Plato TRIBE Member

    maybe they dont walk it cause the owners are old or handicapped or some other reason why they cant walk it, so they just chain it up outside while it does its business, and bring it in after.
    or like mentioneed above, it enjoys the cold and playing in the snow.
    you said it looked healthy.
    unless you're willing to stake out that location to see if they really do leave it outside for the whole day i dont think you should call. its nice to see that you care but it may not be necessary and you might be taking away someoens precious companion all on overly p.c. assumptions.

    just a few thoughts.

    p[l]a+0 <--devils advocate
  11. Cheer Bear

    Cheer Bear TRIBE Member

    As long as the dog is fed and not abused, you can leave it outside (as long as it can handle the weather - like a husky)

    and if it's brought in periodically, i don't see a problem. I wouldn't do it to MY dog (she'd die, she's tiny)

    but some big dogs DO like it outdoors.
  12. mingster

    mingster TRIBE Member

    People tend to treat their animals in many different ways, some that, as a pet-owner I disagree with. But most of the time, the difference is simply that I would do otherwise.

    If the dog is clean, and it looks happy and well-fed, I'd say, it's probably allright. It is a husky, I'm sure he can handle the cold. You have to be careful when reporting things like this, for numerous reasons. You may not agree with the treatment and upbringing of the dog, but that doesn't mean that it's wrong.

    Did anything happen with this Sunny?

  13. Boo

    Boo TRIBE Member

    Is there any happy hardcore playing in the background or is he wearing one of those doggy sweater things? Both of these acts are obvious signs of cruelty :D
  14. little*jungle*nut

    little*jungle*nut TRIBE Member

    ok, i do agree with Plato about being careful with the decision of to call the Humane Society or not.

    I wouldn't want to take the dog away if they are one happy family. The animals in the pound are so sad and loney and scared.

    but i'm also worried about the dog, coz we can't be sure if it's truly happy or healthy.

    this may seem like a dumb question, i know Husky can withstand cold weather, but do they have to train that way (being in extreme cold weather all their lives) or are they just born that way?

    MoFo, could you please post if you have called the Humane Society or not?

    i really would like to know, thanks.
  15. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    i don't like dogs but i love huskies!!!!

    do not, i repeat do not, call the humane society

    first off, they won't do anything, leaving the dog outside is not cruelty. you said yourself it was well fed and well groomed. second off, if they tried to do anything they would screw it up and odds are the dog would get put down.

    but, aside from my hate and disgust for the humane society. which comes from my best friend dave working there for a year, if you knew one tenth of the stuff that he told me went on in that hell hole you would never think to call them for help.

    sunny, you know dave, icq him and ask for his advice on the subject.

    but i will tell you this much, there are two major husky strains, X and Y - i don't remember which is which, but one of them is leaner and and the other is, well, huskier. both are naturally adapted to cold weather, sleeping in a snowbank is bliss to them. and both are very active breeds of dog. but the leaner strain (Y type - i think) is the one that is bread to pull sleds and they basically need to run. they are genetically programmed to pull like mad all day long, day after day. it is impossible to keep a dog like that inside, they just need to run. it is kind of stupid to keep a dog like that in the city but even if they were at farm where they where part of a team they would spend 95% of the time chained to a pole in the ground. it allows them to run back and forth and around without getting into toruble or fights with the other dogs. believe me, this is not cruelty. cruelty would be keeping them inside.
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2002
  16. LeoGirl

    LeoGirl TRIBE Member

    ^^^^I'm with Rosey on this one.

    BUT I have serious issues with people who own pets but don't want the responsiblity of them.

    IF this dog is chained up just about all day every day, they are not doing they're part a responsible owners, especially considering they live in the city.

    I understand the above opinions that just because I wouldn't raise my dog that way doesn't necessarily mean they're being mistreated, but isn't the point of having a pet in most cases for the companionship? :confused:

    I just wish it was possible to start from scratch again and re-address the responsiblities and requirements of pet ownership.
  17. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    I ride a dogsled to work and motivate them by hanging a sausage on a stick in front of the pack.
  18. stir-fry

    stir-fry TRIBE Member

    pogo ?
  19. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Hi Jack!

    No, some SanDanielle prime smoked.

    I treatz my animalz well.
  20. stir-fry

    stir-fry TRIBE Member

    personally, i'd give them johnsonville brawts. but then all the neighbourhood dogs would want some and you'd have a fight on your hands.
  21. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member


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