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Snowden leaves Hong Kong for Ecuador

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HKSAR Government issues statement on Edward Snowden
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The HKSAR Government today (June 23) issued the following statement on Mr Edward Snowden:

Mr Edward Snowden left Hong Kong today (June 23) on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel.

The US Government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR Government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US Government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR Government has requested the US Government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US Government's request can meet the relevant legal conditions. As the HKSAR Government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong.

The HKSAR Government has already informed the US Government of Mr Snowden's departure.

Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong.

Ends/Sunday, June 23, 2013
Issued at HKT 16:05

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Ho||yw0oD

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While at first Snowden appeared to be a courageous whistleblower, the fact that he may be seeking asylum in a country with its own poor track record with freedom and liberty... it makes him out to be a little hypocritical, no?
 

praktik

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I dunno about that... That always hits my ears more like a sound bite than substance. I'm inclined to give him credit and that he has put this out there in good faith. Using geography to infer some deeper angle that is alleged to put the lie to his good intentions i think is taking it too far, and conveniently far for some people predisposed to being skeptical about Snowden in the media and in politics.
 

alexd

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While at first Snowden appeared to be a courageous whistleblower, the fact that he may be seeking asylum in a country with its own poor track record with freedom and liberty... it makes him out to be a little hypocritical, no?


If the US government was threatening to kill you, where would you go?

I wish Snowden all the best and hope some country will take him in. Iceland preferably, but at this point, he doesn't have many options.

I commend Snowden's brave efforts at whistle blowing, but I think it is too late to have any impact on the spying/defence infrastructure running the US and UK. At least he succeeded in raising our awareness. Maybe at some point in the future his actions will be looked at as the momentthat led to taking back our rights, but I am not hopeful.
 

alexd

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He is in Moscow now, in the transit area. Word is, Moscow is offering him sanctuary and Russia does not have an extradition treaty with the US. I wonder if he will stay there....
 
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Ho||yw0oD

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If the US government was threatening to kill you, where would you go?

I wish Snowden all the best and hope some country will take him in. Iceland preferably, but at this point, he doesn't have many options.

I commend Snowden's brave efforts at whistle blowing, but I think it is too late to have any impact on the spying/defence infrastructure running the US and UK. At least he succeeded in raising our awareness. Maybe at some point in the future his actions will be looked at as the momentthat led to taking back our rights, but I am not hopeful.

Well I think any act of civil disobedience should be met with a willingness to face the legal ramifications that result. MLK and Mahatma Gandhi provided good examples of this.

Instead, Snowden blew the whistle and ran away. I agree that Iceland would have been a good place to seek asylum. But don't you find it ironic that he, perhaps unintentionally, will seek asylum from a state that holds democratic principles to an even lower regard than the United States?
 

Hi i'm God

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I'm having Dejavu Going to Venezuela didn't work for Asange.

You know what FUCK Obama. I can let a lot slide for the greater good but he's purposely fucking around right now. This isnt right, prosecuting this guy is the WRONG action.
 

alexd

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Well I think any act of civil disobedience should be met with a willingness to face the legal ramifications that result.

He has already said he has accepted that he will be jailed or killed by the US for his actions in revealing this public spying program. Perhaps he want to remain free a bit longer so he can reveal more.

Last week he blew the whistle on the UK's telecom spy agency tapping into fiber optic cables and intercepting everything that goes through them. I am sure he has more to say and if he stays free a bit longer maybe we'll get to hear it.
 

alexd

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Edward Snowden asks Ecuador for asylum

Edward Snowden, the former US intelligence contractor who leaked classified documents revealing US internet and phone surveillance, has asked Ecuador for asylum.

The request was confirmed by Ecuador's foreign minister on Twitter.

Mr Snowden had fled the US for Hong Kong but flew out on Sunday morning and is currently in Moscow.

The US wanted him extradited, but the Hong Kong government said Washington had failed to meet its requirements.

Ecuador's Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, who is in Vietnam, said on Twitter: "The Government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. #Snowden."

Wikileaks said in a statement that Mr Snowden was "bound for the Republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisors from Wikileaks".

The anti-secrecy group said Mr Snowden's asylum request would be formally processed when he arrived in Ecuador.

The US state department said Mr Snowden's passport had been revoked, and that a person "wanted on felony charges, such as Mr Snowden, should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel, other than is necessary to return him to the United States".

He was picked up at the airport by either a Venezuelan or Ecuadorean embassy car.

A source at the airline company was quoted earlier as saying that Mr Snowden would fly on to Cuba.

It is unclear where Mr Snowden currently is, but he is reported to have not left the airport. An earlier report said he was booked on a Monday morning flight to Cuba.

The US and Ecuador have a joint extradition treaty, but it is not applicable to "crimes or offences of a political character".

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is currently sheltering in the Ecuadorean embassy in London after being granted asylum last year.

The US Justice Department has said it will seek cooperation from whichever country Mr Snowden arrives in.

Although Mr Snowden's passport was revoked before he left Hong Kong, one official told the Associated Press that if a senior official in a country or airline ordered it, a country could overlook the withdrawn passport.

Hong Kong officials said Mr Snowden had left "on his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel" because the US extradition request was incomplete and there was no legal basis to restrict him from departing.

NSA 'overhauls' security
Mr Snowden had left his home in Hawaii after leaking details of his work as an NSA (National Security Agency) analyst and the extensive US surveillance programme to the UK's Guardian newspaper and the Washington Post.

He has been charged in the US with theft of government property, unauthorised communication of national defence information and wilful communication of classified communications intelligence.

Each of the charges carries a maximum 10-year prison sentence. The complaint is dated 14 June although it was made public only on Friday.

NSA chief Keith Alexander told ABC News on Sunday there had been no warning that Mr Snowden had taken the documents.

"Clearly, the system did not work as it should have," he said.


Gen Alexander on ABC News: "He betrayed that confidence and stole some of our secrets"
Gen Alexander also said the spying agency was overhauling its operations to tighten security on contractors, including tracking the actions of system administrators like Mr Snowden.

The leaks have led to revelations that the US is systematically seizing vast amounts of phone and web data under an NSA programme known as Prism.

Mr Snowden said earlier that he had decided to speak out after observing "a continuing litany of lies" from senior officials to Congress.

US officials have defended the practice of gathering telephone and internet data from private users around the world.

They say Prism cannot be used to intentionally target any Americans or anyone in the US, and that it is supervised by judges.

from BBC
 
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praktik

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Nice, gotta love the way Latin America is asserting itself lately. I don't think the Americans realize how close they are to permamently losing their advantage down there.

Only a few real toeholds left, Mexico+Colombia and a few central american and carribbean nations.... everyone else is neutral or falling into antagonistic stances (and with good reason I would argue)
 

alexd

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Snowden's seat was empty on the plane to Cuba this morning, but the flight was packed with journalists.
 

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Ethics | Change.gov: The Obama-Biden Transition Team

Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.
 
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