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should Mark Hall be allowed to bring a gay date?
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JayIsBored
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if he wears a pope hat, yes...even better if they dress as a priest and an altar boy
SlipperyPete
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that same high school allowed pregnant un-wed teens to attend their formal, which breaks the same set of Catholic values.
'nuff said. let the boy have fun however he chooses!
'nuff said. let the boy have fun however he chooses!
I feel sorry for the guy, I really do. But the guy put himself in his own predicament. It's a common fact that the Roman Cathlic church is against homosexuality, so why go to a Roman Catholic school in the jurastriction of the Roman Catholic school board.
He can and probably will appeal it, then it goes to Religion VS the Government. If the gov gets involved, it could piss off the church therefore votes, politics yadda yadda. And why Buzz Hargrove and his union are invovled is a mystery to me?
This will be fought for eons. Questions will be asked/raised and who knows. The Roman Catholic chruch has a crapload to lose in this...if this guy wins...they are gonna be faced with a lot more people who feel this way.
He can and probably will appeal it, then it goes to Religion VS the Government. If the gov gets involved, it could piss off the church therefore votes, politics yadda yadda. And why Buzz Hargrove and his union are invovled is a mystery to me?
This will be fought for eons. Questions will be asked/raised and who knows. The Roman Catholic chruch has a crapload to lose in this...if this guy wins...they are gonna be faced with a lot more people who feel this way.
kerouacdude
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Exactly (except for the "jurastriction" part)
And besides, why did he go on record about it?...it all smacks of a publicity grab...he could have just showed up at the prom with his date...I'm sure he wouldn't have been kicked out.
of course he should... it shouldn't even be an issue!!!!!!!!!
its too bad that a bunch of backwards catholics have to make it one.
I'm catholic - and its things like this that make me wonder why I have anything to do with the church anymore.
(ok not that I have much to do with it anymore... but still
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its too bad that a bunch of backwards catholics have to make it one.
I'm catholic - and its things like this that make me wonder why I have anything to do with the church anymore.
(ok not that I have much to do with it anymore... but still
)
kerouacdude
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Originally posted by Cheeka
of course he should... it shouldn't even be an issue!!!!!!!!!
its too bad that a bunch of backwards catholics have to make it one.
I'm catholic - and its things like this that make me wonder why I have anything to do with the church anymore.
(ok not that I have much to do with it anymore... but still
I also was raised Catholic and don't practice and haven't gone to mass in about 20 years... I don't agree with their views, but those are the beliefs and I'm sure he was aware of them..
The saddest part of the whole story were the interviews i saw with dude's classmates... "I don't want that on the same dancefloor as me... I was raised not to like that" and "I wouldn't be comfortable around that."
holy fuck of course this kid should be allowed the right to bring his boyfriend to the freaking formal. If an appeal takes the issue into the politcal forum, then dude gets my respect and support for trying to shake things up. God knows it would be scary for any 18 year old to take on the catholic church.... Even scarier I imagine trying to challenge the general population of oshawa.
holy fuck of course this kid should be allowed the right to bring his boyfriend to the freaking formal. If an appeal takes the issue into the politcal forum, then dude gets my respect and support for trying to shake things up. God knows it would be scary for any 18 year old to take on the catholic church.... Even scarier I imagine trying to challenge the general population of oshawa.
I agree with you
... but at the same time that's no excuse for ignorance.
which imo is exactly what the church is practicing and promoting.
you could justify a lot of injustice in the world using that analogy.
they need to change - and hopefully people like him will help pave the way to that.
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Stormshadow
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If the school was in Whitby, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem.
BigBadBaldy
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Only if it's me.
BBB.
I need the face time.
BBB.
I need the face time.
kerouacdude
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That is unfortunate...i'm willing to bet most of those reaction were from the boys...it's a pretty weird concept to most teenage males who already have a tenuous grasp of their masculinity/sexuality...esp. in an environment with organized religion.
Still, there's hope for a few...my views on homosexuality going to a Catholic h.s. probably weren't pretty enlightened (in fact they weren't)...fast forward ten years, I was sharing a house with my best friend and his partner.
Umm...
HELLO!
Does anyone else remember the line "blaming the victim"
well... what's he doing in a catholic school in the first place...
well.. why was she wearing such a short skirt in the first place...
I mean... sure... it's a shame... a tragedy even... but they're kinda bringing it on themselves so whatever...
That's such bullshit!
Do you know why the courtcase exists?
Do you know why he didn't just show up with the guy? I doubt it.
Maybe everyone had to get a guest pass for their dates, if they weren't from the same school... Maybe he was worried that they WERE going to kick him out of the prom for bringing a guy. Or maybe he doesn't give fuck all about the prom and just wants to bring this blatant discrimination before the courts so that it's dealt with.
I mean, come on... Just because we all know that the church is a homophobic institution, it should remain so? That's fucking rediculous.
And... as for why not swiching school... HA!
Umm... Most people don't really get to decide something like that... Their parents do. True... in your final highschool year, you probably have enough freedom from your parents to decide to leave.
(probably... then again... some of my friends back in highschool were still pretty whipped)
But then... he would already have made friends there, and he would already have been settled...
so... is it his responsibility to leave if he's being discriminated against?
Think about it for a minute...
BigBadBaldy
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Which would be what? The older guy with no pants and the younger one naked, hands bound behind him with vestments?
BBB.
I like purple.
kerouacdude
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Hold on there sparky...i never said he should go to a different school, and nothing in my posts is "blaming" him.....but it's like people are surprised he's being met with resistance...that's what bemuses me....
mutslaster
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what's worse is that they were interviewing Mark Hall's father on CBC radio this morning and his response was along the lines of 'maybe this is a lesson to my son that he shouldn't be honest about his sexual identity,' adding that perhaps his son should have tried to sneak his date in or have his date go with a female friend.
fuck that! i think the kid shows incredible courage in his attempt to go to the prom as the person he is. i don't know a lot of people who could really do that so well in high school. it's sad that this is even an issue with the school board; situations like this are the painful reminders that we're not so enlightened after all.
fuck that! i think the kid shows incredible courage in his attempt to go to the prom as the person he is. i don't know a lot of people who could really do that so well in high school. it's sad that this is even an issue with the school board; situations like this are the painful reminders that we're not so enlightened after all.
Surprised? No...
Outraged? YES!
I damn well expect a level of outrage for that.
And what you said was "it all smacks of a publicity grab"
hmm... not blaming eh?
So... publicity grabs are good things right?
Well... the only thing is "smacks" of to me is a concerned citizen standing up for his rights.
And, my replay was both to you, and to Lil'Timmy's post, wich you were in agreement with.
But... I'm not acusing you of being a homophobe... Blaming the victim is something that everyone in socienty is subltly taught to do... I'm sure I do it on occasion too...