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praktik

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I also love this:

"It’s also not the first time Newtown residents have been subjected to harassment by so-called Sandy Hook “truthers,” who say the shootings were fabricated by the U.S. government to gain public support for gun-law reform."​

Which goes to show how shitty the NWO is at achieving its goals through false flags
 

tobywan

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Coming up to the 3 year anniversary, and there are still so many questions that remain unanswered...yes I know, dead children so we can only be emotional and nothing else.

Time to do some logical and critical thinking!


The 16 unanswered questions from Sandy Hook

Straight from Wolfgang Halbig’s own website, SandyHookJustice.com, here are his final 16 unanswered Sandy Hook shooting questions:

1. Who directed the New Haven Federal Bureau of Investigation field office to classify the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (SHES)?

2. Why and for what reason would the FBI classify the SHES shooting when they did not classify the Columbine shooting which also was an Active Shooter Mass Casualty Incidents (AS/MCI)?

3. Who was the Incident Commander as required by the Federal Emergency Management Agency in directing the AS/MCI at SHES?

• Who at the Incident Command Center made the ordering of Port-A-Potties a high priority since they were delivered within three hours of the school shooting?

• Who ordered those Port-A-Potties from Southbury, Connecticut?

• When I called the Port-A-Pottie company, after searching for over a week as to who they were and when they were ordered, I was told this information was classified and they are not allowed to share that information with me.

• The next morning I received a phone call from the Southbury Police Department at my home telling me not to call that company again, since I was harassing them.

• High priority for toilets but not for Life Star Trauma helicopters or paramedics.

4. Who and why did they not request Life Star helicopters, knowing that children and school staff were seriously injured and clinging to life?

5. Who and why did they not allow the paramedics and the EMTs inside SHES?

6. Who declared all 18 children and six school staff members legally dead within the first eight minutes?

7. Who was the Certified Environmental Bio-Hazard Decontamination company contracted by Newtown Public Schools (NPS) to remove 45-65 gallons of blood, skull fragments, brain tissue, bodily fluids, blood-soaked carpets and any other decontaminated area inside SHES?

8. Why does an off-duty lieutenant from the Newtown Police Department (NPD) refuse to leave his off-duty work assignment at a construction site when hearing that shots have been fired at SHES?

9. Who at NPS notified all of the parents in writing, as required by Conn. law, who had children attending SHES, as well as every school staff member, for every school year, of all the potential life threatening chemical hazards? The school had high levels of lead paint throughout the entire school, asbestos in the ceiling and floor tiles, asbestos in the insulation, and most of the school had very high levels of PCBs.

10. Who provided the urgent medical care to the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?

11. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times, like 3 to 11 times, since they did not allow the paramedics and EMTs inside SHES?

12. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?

13. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from SHES on 12/14/2012?

14. Who was the police officer calling into the NPD dispatcher stating, in his words, that he had multiple weapons, a rifle and a shotgun, and who has the rifle and the shotgun, as the chain of evidence should show, that was found in classroom eight (8)?

15. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt. Vangehle, at 9:45:21 a.m. on 12/14/2012, from the NPD, after finding a female kindergartener in the hallway, make her go into room eight (8) and leave her there? Room eight was supposedly the gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff.

16. Why would two Conn. State Troopers enter room ten (10) at 9:55:31 a.m. on 12/14/2012, which was supposedly the gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff, and tell a male kindergartener who they found in the bathroom, whose name is redacted, and tell them (so it must be more than one), to stay and they will both be back when it is safe?
 
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praktik

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^^ yawn, just a lot of JAQ'ing off (Just Asking Questions)

No reliable, positive evidence for a conspiracy has been made available to anyone anywhere proving Sandy Hook to be a false flag.

We need a whistleblower! Otherwise you are just JAQ'ing off
 

ndrwrld

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^^ yawn, just a lot of JAQ'ing off (Just Asking Questions)

No reliable, positive evidence for a conspiracy has been made available to anyone anywhere proving Sandy Hook to be a false flag.

We need a whistleblower!
considering the ' suiciding ' track record of the U.S. Government, i see no way that someone would come out with that kind of story.
 

praktik

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considering the ' suiciding ' track record of the U.S. Government, i see no way that someone would come out with that kind of story.

Except that there are dead children all around, I imagine more than a few co-conspirators would be having trouble sleeping at night.

Unless of course you defuse THAT dilemma by suggesting NO CHILDREN died, in which case...


Abandon all hope - yee who enter here

Still - no positive evidence for false flag with Sandy Hook - just JAQ'ing off
 

praktik

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16 Unanswered questions from 2014 - Answered!! (all answers below reposted from this link)

Sandy Hook- Facts & Research: Wolfgang Halbig's 16 Questions - Asked and Answered! Halbig Debunked... Again..

The 16 unanswered questions from Sandy Hook

Straight from Wolfgang Halbig’s own website, SandyHookJustice.com, here are his final 16 unanswered Sandy Hook shooting questions:

1. Who directed the New Haven Federal Bureau of Investigation field office to classify the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (SHES)?

2. Why and for what reason would the FBI classify the SHES shooting when they did not classify the Columbine shooting which also was an Active Shooter Mass Casualty Incidents (AS/MCI)?

Any thinking person knows that the question regarding an FBI procedure is not addressed to Connecticut State Police (CSP). The FBI does not report to the Connecticut State Police. Who runs the FBI and tells them what to do? We can all speculate; however, none could fairly claim that the answer is "police officers in Connecticut".

Back on point, this question is basically a "who and why" of the same question and are answered together, thus:

The answer is Book 2 Document 182743.

CSP did a FOIA request to get the FBI report for themselves. The FBI, through Special Agent Kimberly Mertz, responded to the request on July 23, 2013. A notification from the FBI dated July 18, 2013 advised CSP that the FBI was releasing 109 pages of 173 pages of their report pursuant to FOIPA Title 5, US Code 552/552a.

The FBI included a notification that there are three discrete categories of law enforcement and national security records that are excluded from FOIA as in USC 5 552(c) .

All 109 pages of the FBI report that the State Police received are INCLUDED in the report, downloaded as the above listed document. In other words, the FBI report is in fact, not entirely classified, and has already been released and may be freely downloaded and reviewed. Yes, it is heavily redacted; however, that is the FBI, not CSP.

64 pages are classified. How much does the FBI do in 64 pages? I would think... very little.

Moreover, that has nothing to do with Connecticut or the CSP, who were equally denied access to those 64 pages. Who in or above the FBI decided to classify the 64 pages? Who knows! But the question is not for Connecticut.

The fact is, the FBI had little to do with the investigation of Sandy Hook. This was a state run operation.

The Sandy Hook report FBI report is freely available.

3. Who was the Incident Commander as required by the Federal Emergency Management Agency in directing the AS/MCI at SHES?

Major Brian Meraviglia, the Western District Commander, was the commander of the crime scene, once a command center was formally established.
This is according to Book 6 # 95772 Family Liaison report/assignments by Capt Dale Hourigan

4. Who and why did they not request Life Star helicopters, knowing that children and school staff were seriously injured and clinging to life?

Four wounded people were transported by ambulance. The premise of the question is incorrect because the report is clear, the rest were dead.

Halbig needs to clarify his question because there were no others "clinging to life". Who is he talking about here?


5. Who and why did they not allow the paramedics and the EMTs inside SHES?

Again, Halbig's premise is incorrect, because it is not true that Paramedics and EMT's were not allowed in the school.

3 of the most seriously wounded were treated by 2 paramedics and 4 EMTs, within the "first response" time frame.
  • Unit: NEWTA2 Paramedic Robert Velleteri w/Marty Folan and John Burke ALS -female juvi ALS
  • Unit: NEWTA3 - Paramedic Daniel Bradley w/Kenneth Lerman and Laurie Veillete
    BLS to adult female (Hammond) and boy.
Inside the school in direct contact with the deceased were Two EMTs: Sgt William Cario and TFC Patrick Dragon; One Registered Nurse, William Blumenthal; and Paramedics: Director of Danbury EMT, Paramedic Matthew Cassevechia, and two tactical Paramedics, John Reed and Bernie Meehan.

6. Who declared all 18 children and six school staff members legally dead within the first eight minutes?

The premise is incorrect because no one declared all those people dead in the first 8 minutes.

While technically, that answer would suffice to answer Halbig's poorly worded question, for the sake of clarity, I will pretend he asked a relevant question concerning the legal/procedural aspects of the triage of the casualties.

The legal presumptions of death were made by Cassevechia, Reed, and Meehan, using the SMART Triage System protocols; performing four different assessments on each patient prioritizing them based on their apparent injuries.

Cassevechia maintained phone contact and operated as the senior medical person on scene. The paramedics triaged the casualties operating on the legal authority granted by Dr. Pat Broderick, Danbury Hospital.

See Book 6: 2113, 2358, 19275

7. Who was the Certified Environmental Bio-Hazard Decontamination company contracted by Newtown Public Schools (NPS) to remove 45-65 gallons of blood, skull fragments, brain tissue, bodily fluids, blood-soaked carpets and any other decontaminated area inside SHES?

Clean Harbors, Inc cleaned Sandy Hook as listed in Book 2 198991.
Aftermath Specialists did Yogananda. Book 2 198985


8. Why does an off-duty lieutenant from the Newtown Police Department (NPD) refuse to leave his off-duty work assignment at a construction site when hearing that shots have been fired at SHES?

Again, Halbig's premise is incorrect. He was not "off -duty". Book 4 79290.

He was doing an "extra duty" assignment. The public record of this shows he received a written reprimand for failing to respond (Google). I would ask, how is this relevant? He was derelict, no matter what the answer is. Some people in any place of employment are derelict. He is one.


9. Who at NPS notified all of the parents in writing, as required by Conn. law, who had children attending SHES, as well as every school staff member, for every school year, of all the potential life threatening chemical hazards? The school had high levels of lead paint throughout the entire school, asbestos in the ceiling and floor tiles, asbestos in the insulation, and most of the school had very high levels of PCBs.

Allow me to educate Mr. Halbig and save him an embarrassing trip demanding answers from the school board.

The School Facility report for that time period is available and easily found with the magic called "Google", without the need for donations. The summary is posted here:

http://newtown.schooldesk.net/Porta...School Facilities Survey/ED050-SANDY HOOK.pdf

The notification to parents was made at least by handbook for the immediate proceeding year.
http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=KSkLZ-fxuvQ=&tabid=8068

Page 28 has the required notice. The school appears compliant with the law in terms of safety, reports, and notifications. CT dot Gov website also has their specific requirements. My feeling is Halbig did not research this issue on his own.

Internet postings found by Google indicate that that was the Handbook linked to Schooldesk.net at the time of the shooting.

10. Who provided the urgent medical care to the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?

Answer Repeated:

Again, Halbig's premise is incorrect, because it is not true that Paramedics and EMT's were not allowed in the school.

3 of the most seriously wounded were treated by 2 paramedics and 4 EMTs, within the "first response" time frame.
  • Unit: NEWTA2 Paramedic Robert Velleteri w/Marty Folan and John Burke ALS -female juvi ALS
  • Unit: NEWTA3 - Paramedic Daniel Bradley w/Kenneth Lerman and Laurie Veillete
    BLS to adult female (Hammond) and boy.
Inside the school in direct contact with the deceased were Two EMTs: Sgt William Cario and TFC Patrick Dragon; One Registered Nurse, William Blumenthal; and Paramedics: Director of Danbury EMT, Paramedic Matthew Cassevechia, and two tactical Paramedics, John Reed and Bernie Meehan.

11. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times, like 3 to 11 times, since they did not allow the paramedics and EMTs inside SHES?

I suppose I could fairly answer this question with "Huh?" But since I can reasonably guess at what he is saying, I will give it a try, even though it is based on a faulty premise.


Inside the school, triaging the victims were:
  • two EMTs: Sgt William Cario amd TFC Patrick Dragon
  • one Registered Nurse: William Blumenthal
  • three Paramedics: Director of Danbury EMS Paramedic Matthew Cassevechia, and two Tactical Paramedics, John Reed and Bernie Meehan.

All of their statements are in Book 6. My Guide to the Report can be used to find their reports.

12. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?

This is a disgusting, irrelevant question to ask the parents of deceased children. Further, the answer is beyond the scope of any rational police investigation. What kind of question is this?

How do you know they were asked to donate organs? How do you know they didn't? How do you know if murder victims can donate organs before autopsy or how that plays into it? I won't waste my time on this question because it is completely lacking a rational foundation.

13. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from SHES on 12/14/2012?

While one can imagine an almost unlimited response to this question, to keep it focused on the immediate scene, the survivors were evacuated. The evacuation is documented in dozens of sworn statements in Books 4 and 6. Please read the report and ask a specific question that can be answered with specifics.

14. Who was the police officer calling into the NPD dispatcher stating, in his words, that he had multiple weapons, a rifle and a shotgun, and who has the rifle and the shotgun, as the chain of evidence should show, that was found in classroom eight (8)?

Again, your premise is incorrect; you misstate the officers words here and in every embellished interview you give.

However, the report timeline documents that this officer's name was Officer Leonard Penna.

See Book 4 -184096

15. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt. Vangehle, at 9:45:21 a.m. on 12/14/2012, from the NPD, after finding a female kindergartener in the hallway, make her go into room eight (8) and leave her there? Room eight was supposedly the gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff.

See Venghele, Bahamonde, and Penna's statements. At the time of this incident, none of the officers had been in Room 8, they were unaware there are deceased in Room 8, and were training weapons in the direction of the girl and operating in Active Shooter formation and under those protocols.

Book 6 2060, 44171, and 258086
The interaction may be heard in Rick Thorne's 911 call.

16. Why would two Conn. State Troopers enter room ten (10) at 9:55:31 a.m. on 12/14/2012, which was supposedly the gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff, and tell a male kindergartener who they found in the bathroom, whose name is redacted, and tell them (so it must be more than one), to stay and they will both be back when it is safe?

Again, your premise is flawed and your English poor. You failed to read the report.

The account of the FIRST GRADE Boy and Girl hiding in the restroom are documented by their rescuer, TFC Smith in Book 6 47345

He is documented as running out with the survivors in Davis' Dash Cam at 0957:18. This is listed in the timeline Book 4 184096 and the time line of Davis' Dash Cam Book 3 55705.

There was no delay in their rescue and they did not wait until the scene was "safe" to rescue them.
 
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praktik

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To answer Vice's question:
Taking on the Sandy Hook Truthers: What Kind of Person Calls a Mass Shooting a Hoax? | VICE | United States

A few posters on tribe for starters. Likely my brother in law and my sister. I know a few.

Nice people tho - they aren't calling grieving parents, but they traffic in the same ideas that motivate those who do.

Tobywan posted Wolfgang Halbid 's "unanswered questions" on Sandy Hook, here is how he courageously stood up for Truth:

Pozner was one of the rare Sandy Hook parents who confronted those who questioned his child's murder. In response to their comments, he posted online his son's birth and death certificates. He shared the medical examiner's report and one of Noah's report cards. The hoaxers said the records were counterfeits.

Pozner remained undaunted. He thought that perhaps if he could show Halbig the documents in person, he and the rest of the hoaxers might at last relent. "I wanted to be as transparent as possible," Pozner says. "I thought keeping the documents private would only feed the conspiracy."

When Pozner did not receive a reply from Halbid he contacted Kelley Watt, one of the more aggressive hoaxers who showed up on his Google Plus page. Watt wrote back on Halbig's behalf. "Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you," her note said, "unless you exhume Noah's body and prove to the world you lost your son."​
Classy..
 
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lobo

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^

Wow. Are people that dumb to say things like that? Surprised people haven't tried finding that guy and giving him a good pounding for spouting shit like that.

Lobo
 

praktik

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Well you have to work a bit to understand it - i kind of put it with the abortion debate right. Like the guy that shot up that clinic - I mean if you're a True Believer, then him walking in there can be *understood* (if not acted upon). This guy was shooting up murderers - murderers participating in a genocide that takes millions of lives annually. They're even so morally corrupt they sell baby parts in secondary markets FOR PROFIT.
So if you believe all that, you can see how someone might rationally consider stopping these murderers by using murder.

Now Im not pretending these Sandy Hook hoaxers are exactly the same, though they share some of these dynamics and some people have gone on to commit violence from this ideological subculture. "How could anyone harass a grieving parent like that?" - a rational person asks. Well if you believe that these "parents" are crisis actors, perpetuating a hoax upon the American people as part of an NWO plot (whether to take guns, or "distract" the masses with a spectacular media event) - then maybe calling them and harassing them is the LEAST you should be doing!!

So within their ideological universe, which takes a bit of work to inhabit/understand - their actions have a certain consistency.

To outsiders it looks batshit... but to them and their friends, its consistent!
 

rentboy

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It's so wonderful that every catastrophe is now packaged up and pieced together as being some grand malevolent scheme.
 
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praktik

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EVERYTHING is a hoax now for these people.

I think it's the 9/11 legacy - creating a force of people online who will turn ANY new event into another example of conspiracy.

its just a reflex now. Nothing is real. All the world's a stage. Any story on the news is likely massaged by NWO managers - crisis actors are a real thing - and there is NOTHING the NWO won't do to (take away our guns)(distract the masses)(insert rationale here)

And the fact not one single whistleblower has admitted to taking part in these hoax operations is not a sign of the failure of the conspiracy theory, but the evil nature of the conspirators.

Abandon all hope, yee who enter here
 

praktik

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A good thought experiment - What would Wolfgang Halbig/James Tracey/tobywan do if the parent above, Pozner, actually exhumed his kid and secured rock solid DNA evidence that the child was his.

Does anyone actually expect ANY of these people to change their minds?

The DNA test would have to be faked, along with the exhumation - and nothing these parents do will ever disabuse these people of their fantasies regarding Sandy Hook.
 

praktik

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Jim Fetzer is a professional conspiracy theorist. His income and status is all tied to his propagation of 9/11 conspiracies - Sandy Hook is just his latest area of focus after building up his Wingnut Cred on the backs of the Twin Towers in the first half the of the 00s:


More recently, he's keeping his income and dubious fame up by trafficking in Sandy Hook BS:

#1 reason Jim Fetzer can't be trusted on Sandy Hook? He *desperately wants* the conspiracy to be true, and is not an impartial researcher. His own celebrity and income is reliant on making these kinds of claims, and they fit with theories he has developed on other matters like 9/11. Show me an objective researcher making these kinds of claims with evidence, and I might not be as (rightfully) skeptical of the claims they are making.

No objective researcher backs Sandy Hook hoax claims.

Professional Conspiracy Theorists are alone in their claims.

If they were true, they would not be isolated on the fringe - gnashing their teeth - their claims would be resonating and the lid would have been blown off a long time ago.

Instead their claims just build up their tribe and helpfully identify for them people not of their tribe when people like me demonstrate how we are still Lost in the Propaganda of the NWO
 

rentboy

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EVERYTHING is a hoax now for these people.

I think it's the 9/11 legacy - creating a force of people online who will turn ANY new event into another example of conspiracy.

its just a reflex now. Nothing is real. All the world's a stage. Any story on the news is likely massaged by NWO managers - crisis actors are a real thing - and there is NOTHING the NWO won't do to (take away our guns)(distract the masses)(insert rationale here)

And the fact not one single whistleblower has admitted to taking part in these hoax operations is not a sign of the failure of the conspiracy theory, but the evil nature of the conspirators.

Abandon all hope, yee who enter here

It's brutal. I don't know where you get the energy to combat them in this thread.

There's a severe disconnect with these people. Self-appointed private investigators who apparently understand how everything works, every possible scenario can play out, and give big business/government far too much credit in being that organized and all controlling.

Toby's comment above says it all really:

"Coming up to the 3 year anniversary, and there are still so many questions that remain unanswered...yes I know, dead children so we can only be emotional and nothing else.

Time to do some logical and critical thinking!"


What the fuck? Mate, are you okay?
 

praktik

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We owe it to history to debunk these claims rentboy - will have unending patience for that as the mission is a noble one.

Feel especially motivated for Sandy Hook, all this stays out there in the 1s and 0s and can be looked up anytime by anyone. Not answering the claims does a disservice to the future.
 
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rentboy

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We owe it to history to debunk these claims rentboy - will have unending patience for that as the mission is a noble one.

Feel especially motivated for Sandy Hook, all this stays out there in the 1s and 0s and can be looked up anytime by anyone. Not answering the claims does a disservice to the future.

Is it a post-911 degree of PTSD?

Can we now apply these same investigative findings to other historical events like Bloody Sunday and the Montreal Polytechnic shooting?

Someone posted something (on FB) related to the San Bernardino shooting that implied that the female assailant's mugshot had been photoshopped a bunch, and then spent way too much time trying to make this case. I use Photoshop every day and there was next to no reason or proof to imply that this happened. Understandably, the people who 'liked' it don't have experience with that software. They just wanted to accept that there were other nefarious motives and perpetrators behind such a heinous act.
 

kyfe

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EVERYTHING is a hoax now for these people.

I think it's the 9/11 legacy - creating a force of people online who will turn ANY new event into another example of conspiracy.

its just a reflex now. Nothing is real. All the world's a stage. Any story on the news is likely massaged by NWO managers - crisis actors are a real thing - and there is NOTHING the NWO won't do to (take away our guns)(distract the masses)(insert rationale here)

And the fact not one single whistleblower has admitted to taking part in these hoax operations is not a sign of the failure of the conspiracy theory, but the evil nature of the conspirators.

Abandon all hope, yee who enter here

I think it was Noam Chomsky who said that 9/11 truthers are the greatest distraction, allowing gov't to be more subversive while people argue about what has already happened.

although he said it much more eloquently
 

praktik

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Ya i think people can't separate compression artefacts from what could be photo editing.

Higher resolution is absolutely required to make any determination about editing - but you can zoom in on any 200kb jpg and the muddiness and little squares will make it easy for shit to look "off" to the layman.

The Face on Mars is a perfect example of this: the face was only there in the earliest photos, high resolution showed everyone the face was just a product of a low res image and the confirmation bias of a fantasist.

Low res to high res face:
threefaces.gif
 

praktik

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Amazing editorial in the Miami Herald, specifically calling out Wolfgang Halbig, tobywan's favourite Sandy Hook "researcher":

Sandy Hook- Facts & Research: Miami Herald Calls Out Wolfgang Halbig, Tony Mead, and James Tracy


"The Florida Three and their disciples have been relentlessly tormenting Sandy Hook emergency responders and parents. They stalk them on the Internet. They threaten. They picket Newtown. In November, a truther disrupted the Vicki Soto 5K Memorial Run, organized to honor the heroic Sandy Hook teacher killed while trying to shield her students. Last month, Amazon intervened after trollers en masse posted nasty reviews of a book by a Sandy Hook mother about coping with loss.
For three years running, these unhinged freaks have insinuated themselves into Newtown’s anguish, insisting that the funerals were fakes, that the grieving is counterfeit. After an op-ed last month in the Sun Sentinel by Lenny Posner, father of the youngest child killed at Sandy Hook, describing the “wave of harassment, intimidation and criminal activity” from hoaxers in general, and Tracy in particular, FAU finally began the complexlegal procedure to fire a tenured professor.
Maybe FAU can rid itself of this embarrassment. The rest of Florida, however, has no such recourse. We’ll still be tarnished by our truther triumvirate and their vile fabrications."
 
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