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Shit just got mad real in Turkey (NSFW - graphic video)

Discussion in 'Politics (deprecated)' started by el presidente Highsteppa, Dec 19, 2016.

  1. And now Russia is considering going to war with Turkey....
     
  2. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    NATO Pact would mean WWIII
     
  3. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

  4. I think that's overreaching, but I do think that Turkey will likely ramp up the efforts to muzzle and silence any dissent from their political opponents that have already been going on. Also, Russia's military, apart from their having nukes would likely get fucked over by Turkey's, which is better equipped and better funded. There were a few recent articles about how Russia's Navy is in extremely bad shape, and that other branches aren't doing so well. So, direct conflict might not happen, though a proxy war is more likely to occur.

    I think (hope) that cooler heads prevail, and this plays out like the shot down plane incident that happened a while ago. But, tensions between Turkey and Russia are already bad enough, and Russia's talking about pulling out all diplomatic ties, which is obviously a bad sign.
     
  5. Rocky

    Rocky TRIBE Member

    "...a lone Turkish gunman shouting “God is great!” and “don’t forget Aleppo, don’t forget Syria!”

    Unfortunately, many will only stop trying to understand why these things happen when the guy yells, "God is great!"
     
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  6. swarmtoes

    swarmtoes New Member

    Prayers for these people who start war. :(
     
  7. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

  8. basketballjones

    basketballjones TRIBE Member

    another great win for muslims
     
  9. praktik

    praktik TRIBE Member

    Trump and U.S. Support for Authoritarian Power-Grabs
    Posted on April 18, 2017, 10:16 AM Daniel Larison
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    Dan Drezner objects to Trump’s congratulatory call to Erdogan:

    No, actually, this is worse than demonstrating indifference: Trump actually congratulated Erdogan on the outcome. Trump apparently thought it was a good thing that, despite all the flaws in the process, a bare majority of Turkey’s citizens voted to strengthen their populist leader. I don’t think any other post-Cold War president would have congratulated a democratic ally that held a flawed referendum leading to a less democratic outcome.​

    I agree that Trump shouldn’t have congratulated Erdogan. For one thing, the extensive irregularities in the referendum strongly suggest that the outcome was rigged from the start and shouldn’t be treated as a legitimate result. Even if the constitutional changes weren’t a fairly naked power-grab by the president and his party, the irregularities in the voting would merit criticism rather than praise. Having said that, I’m not so sure that this is as much of a break with the last few presidents as Drezner suggests.

    Most recently, the Obama administration went out of its way to legitimize the 2013 military coup in Egypt. They refused to call the coup what it was, because acknowledging that it was a coup would oblige them to suspend military aid. Then-Secretary of State Kerry even said that the coup was “restoring democracy.” That was laughable on its face, and it signaled that there would be no serious consequences for overthrowing Egypt’s elected president. If Trump were looking for a model for approving of a power-grab by a strongman, he wouldn’t have to look very far back into the past to find one. When the same coup government brutally put down a protest and killed over a thousand people, the Obama administration briefly froze some aid, but it wasn’t long before that was lifted and things went back to the old status quo.

    When Yeltsin tried to consolidate power and even ordered the shelling of his country’s parliament to quash resistance to his rule, he had the full and public backing of the Clinton administration. Clinton justified this by saying, “The US supported Yeltsin because he is Russia’s democratically-elected leader.” This is one of the more egregious examples of how leaders in Washington will get behind a country’s “democratic” leader and then make excuses for whatever he does once in power, but it is hardly the only one. The Bush administration promoted Georgia’s Saakashvili as a reforming democratic leader and would-be client, and they did this despite extensive evidence that Saakashvili and his allies were abusing their power and becoming increasingly authoritarian. Once certain leaders win the confidence of our presidents, they tend to be able to do what they like with Washington’s blessing. These are not the only examples, but these are the ones that most readily come to mind.

    The point here is not that the errors of previous presidents excuse Trump’s bad decision, but that other post-Cold War presidents have supported similar or worse power-grabs and abuses by semi-authoritarian and authoritarian leaders. Trump may be more enthusiastic in his embrace of dictators and despots than the average president, but in siding with such leaders against their domestic opposition he is unfortunately not so different from his predecessors.
     

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