She had the intelligence, creativity and ability, if she didn't stab you in a vital organ

[Puma]

she should be let go its racist and chauvinist not to let her go and to let her enjoy the rest of her life. She has suffered enough humiliation having her sexy looks posted every where in the media. In fact she is suffering the poor thing with mental health problems. As long as she pinky swears that she will take her med's she should be out without a trial, no need to waste taxpayers money on a trial. Its a clear cut case. She is not criminally responsible she has mental health issues she deserve freedom.

* sarcasm *

 

[Polymorph]

There are plenty of odd people with MBA's. Anyone can snap and it's usually people that can no longer handle the pressure they're subjected to.
... I met a former lawyer who was very successful, guess where I met him? A homeless shelter while I was volunteering, one day he had a breakdown and never recovered. This was a guy making 6 figures+ and had everything.

I recall, around 12 years ago, when I was still doing renovation jobs, I was working on one home owned by a somewhat elderly woman who's 30- something son was still living there and being fed by her.
Her son apparently had a MBA in math and statistics, and upon graduation, took a job at an accounting firm, likely making good money, and after 3 years or so he had a breakdown, because he totally hated it. (He liked *pure math* and Theorems).

It made me think of that Matt Damon/Robin Williams' movie "Good Will Hunting", where it's like, "Hey, Matt Damon, you're not just a delinquent petty criminal! You're also a math genius, able to solve complex theorems right off the top your head! Good for You! Whoooo! ... oh, btw you're still completely unemployable, so, good luck with that, bud"

People go crazy cuz they don't know how to adapt to anything.

 

[JamesM]

People go crazy cuz they don't know how to adapt to anything.

Yeah, someone was saying, that she had a hard time dealing with simple office politics.

I get it, that's why the office blows chunks. People more obsessed with bringing everyone else down, is the way to get ahead. While real work is segregated to watching facebook, and youtube.

 

[JamesM]

Still no excuse for this crap.

 

[Snuffy]

It's not just a flimsy excuse. It's mental illness. I've posted this before but it's a really good doc on the subject:

NCR: Not Criminally Responsible - Doc Zone

Cases like these happen but statistically it's still very rare. You take bigger risks driving a car or crossing the street. There's no reason to live in fear.

 

[JamesM]

Yeah not criminally responsible... whatever that means.

You get an MBA, and just end up throwing your life away.

 

[Lojack]

It happens James:

The homeless man who went to Harvard Law with John Roberts

 

[rentboy]

When I first moved to the city around 2004, I'd frequently encounter a friendly old homeless man... he used to be a judge.

Shit happens. People from all walks fall through the cracks.

 

[stryker]

When I was a teenager I worked an admin job at the Bank of Montreal. They had a partnership with an organization called Progress Place where they would help people get their lives back together, job placements, housing, etc...


Over the years there was about a dozen or so people brought in from Progress Place. I'd say 80% of them were unfit for employment, though a few tried. But there was one guy, named James, whose story burned into my brain.

He was normal looking 30 something white guy. He wore golf shirts and khaki's. He was well spoken, clean cut, arrived early and got his work done. We sat next to each other and eventually he told me a bit about his background. He was raised in a good home. He was university educated and made a good life working in finance. He looked (and acted) like any other joe schmuck in the finance district.

....and then he had a psychotic break at the CNE.

The police dragged him out of the water half naked yelling nothing. He was arrested and it was during his detainment (which is usually the case) that he found out he was ill, the police initially thought he was just drunk or high. Things were tough for him for a few years but now he was trying to put his life back together.

The part that is seared into my brain is when he went off his meds. It was so intense and it happened in weeks. We had no idea this was happening until the end. Then it became pretty unnerving.

The first week his appearance started to become a little messier, his hair a little wilder. He started sweating a lot. At this point it looked like he just had a bug working it's way through his system.

The second week he went totally off the rails. He hadn't showered in days, his clothes were wrinkled and dirty and he was wearing headphones more than usual and was talking about weird nonsensical things. He seemed like a different person.

By week 3 I'm surprised he was let past security. He looked homeless. He had his headphones on full blast for the whole day. He begin twitching and sweating like crazy and talking under his breath. This was not the same guy who I had spent the previous month working with. They called in the supervisor from Progress Place to come and get him.

I saw him years later in a subway station and he was in pretty rough shape.

I didn't fully appreciate it at the time but it could have happened to anyone with the biological predisposition.

scary stuff.

stew

 

[praktik]

Well i hope she gets a good coddling by the state - since any measure that takes into account mental illness and attempts to treat as such is, I hear, a form of "coddling" of criminals.

Were we better off with a justice system that applied its standards harshly and without any ability to parse whether mental illness was involved??

 

[rentboy]

I've become quite friendly with a good guy who is on meds. He's smart as a whip too. Two Masters degrees.

I've experienced him having an episode though and it's tough going. I just tried to roll with him and talk as much as possible to keep him somewhat focused.

When he's normal though, he's sound and has a big heart. It's really heartbreaking to see him unravel like that in such a short period.

People need to open their eyes more to mental illness, to people on the street... don't ignore them. Even if you don't have change to give, acknowledge them and treat them as they should be treated... as humans.

We need to move past the stereotyping. Everyone has a backstory. Don't walk around comparing oneself in that regard.

p.s. OHIP needs to start covering Psychotherapy too. It's too expensive otherwise and can be hugely beneficial.

 

[Polymorph]

yeah for sure there are people whom are clinically bipolar and should def take their meds on schedule
That being said, there are also *types* whom adapt well to the university system, due to the variable fluidity of it. I mean, sometimes you need to wake up early for a class, other times, you can stay up late and wake up at 10 AM cuz you don't have any classes til the PM (on weekdays). Then sometimes you can go after class with your mates to a pub at 3 PM on a Wednesday, and other times your closeting yourself from the world cuz your writing term papers and cramming for exams. In short, it's not *routine*, it's a mixed variable schedule.

Then go out into the *real world* of work, 9-5, same routine and schedule, every day, and, well, some of these academic types just totally hate it.

I know. I am one. And I've known several other people, same deal.

It's all about The Shoe That Fits. And for types like me, it's freelance contract work, often work at home, where, hell, I can be a drinkin' at noon if I want to, and cranking out reports at 3 AM if I want to. Just as long as the job gets done well.

It's only recently that these less-conventional work situations are becoming more commonplace, especially when employers realize they can save a shitload of capital by not providing you with on-site office space and other stuff.

a rant

 

[SneakyPete]

Upgraded to first degree murder.

Rohinie Bisesar faces 1st-degree murder charge in Shoppers Drug Mart stabbing - Toronto - CBC News

 

[Preroller]

I've become quite friendly with a good guy who is on meds. He's smart as a whip too. Two Masters degrees.

I've experienced him having an episode though and it's tough going. I just tried to roll with him and talk as much as possible to keep him somewhat focused.

When he's normal though, he's sound and has a big heart. It's really heartbreaking to see him unravel like that in such a short period.

People need to open their eyes more to mental illness, to people on the street... don't ignore them. Even if you don't have change to give, acknowledge them and treat them as they should be treated... as humans.

We need to move past the stereotyping. Everyone has a backstory. Don't walk around comparing oneself in that regard.

p.s. OHIP needs to start covering Psychotherapy too. It's too expensive otherwise and can be hugely beneficial.

Ive got a lot of help through Ontario Works and Choices for Change.

Most of the people there are having a pretty rough go, but these 2 orginizations for free! are willing to help if you really want it.

The ASH program is good here in Stratford as well, esp for women getting housing.

The biggest problem is most people dont have a good support system behind them and in some cases, need consent care for a short/extended period of time to get on the proper meds/detox/get therapy.