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Salvia Divinorum

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Subsonic Chronic, Jan 22, 2002.

  1. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    From our friends at www.alternet.org

    Legally High
    Chris Harris, Hartford Advocate
    January 17, 2002

    For years, many have searched for the legal buzz -- the Holy Grail of drug use. It may be time to call off the search party -- it seems the quest for the perfect legal drug, one that actually kicks your ass the way you want it to, may at long last be over. Until it is banned that is.

    Introducing Salvia divinorum, an obscure Mexican herb that contains the hallucinogen Salvinorin A. It's totally legal in the United States -- it's so far managed to slide beneath the Drug Enforcement Administration's radar and remains to this day uncontrolled and unregulated.

    No federal laws govern Salvia divinorum, even though by weight the active component of Salvia divinorum is more powerful than that found in peyote, psilocybin mushrooms, or any other natural hallucinogen, says Dr. Ethan Russo, a neurologist from Missoula, Mont., who researched the drug for his book, Handbook of Psycho-tropic Herbs.

    "This is not a prevalent agent," says Russo. "Though it needs to be treated with a great deal of respect, it's not inherently dangerous the way a lot of other drugs are."

    Salvia divinorum is a type of sage plant that can induce intense hallucinations, out-of-body experiences, and when taken in higher doses, unconsciousness and short-term memory loss. Anecdotal accounts of Salvia trips, provided in encyclopedic detail on websites like www.sagewisdom.org, describe sensations of passing through time and space, assuming the identities of others and even fusing with inanimate objects. More often than not, Salvia is smoked.

    "When someone uses Salvia, first of all most people find that nothing happens," says Russo. "When someone does have a full-blown experience, the worst that could happen is two things: First, they will disassociate from their surroundings. Things may not look as they really are in front of them. They could wander off and get hurt. Second, they can scare the heck out of themselves from this experience. It's one reason why most people do not choose to repeat it."

    How Salvia divinorum produces its hallucinogenic effects is still something of a mystery to researchers, in that it doesn't work on any neurotransmitter sites affected by other hallucinogens. Although considered a new drug in a strictly "recreational" sense, this hallucinogenic herb has been used for centuries by Mexico's Mazatec Indians for the purposes of divination. Plus, science has known of Salvia for at least 40 years. Researchers continue to study it because the effects of Salvia on the brain and body aren't fully understood.

    Salvia has never been more popular outside of the confines of Mexico than it is today. It's only been within the last five years or so that this herb has started gaining in popularity with recreational drug users. That, says Daniel Siebert, a neophyte botanist living in Malibu, Calif., could be problematic.

    "It's not an alternative to anything," says Siebert, who sells Salvia divinorum through his website, www.sagewisdom.org, for as much as $120 an ounce. "Salvia has unique effects that are distinctive. People who are interested in a recreational, social kind of drug experience, something that might be equivalent to marijuana or ecstasy, are just disappointed in Salvia because most people are interested in a more recreational thing, something with a mild effect that they can handle more easily."

    Siebert says he too fears Salvia divinorum's criminalization. "It's got useful properties and certainly a lot of people are using it that way so making it illegal would be a shame because you're taking something away from people that's very beneficial," he says.

    Russo says there's no real potential for abuse -- as there is with most illegal substances -- with Salvia divinorum, a drug he classifies as a "disassociative hallucinogen." Should the DEA step in and set controls on its use, "it would make it more attractive to people," Russo predicts.

    Russo also fears strict controls could cripple ongoing research: "This is a fascinating agent from a biochemical standpoint," he says. "Salvinorin A has been tested against 100 different neurotransmitter systems with no clear explanation for its mechanism of action. It's totally possible that Salvia divinorum will lead us to a new understanding of neurotransmitter systems in our brain."

    Now for the bad news. The recent surge in popularity has helped make DEA officials aware of its recreational uses. Says a DEA spokesperson: "It's not currently controlled and we're actually collecting information on it." Stock up now, kids!
  2. silver1

    silver1 TRIBE Member

    From what I've heard (from other people), Salvia isn't all that "pleasant". It only lasts for like 5 minutes but it fucks you up SO CRAZILY (in a scary way) for that 5 minutes that very few people ever want to do it again.
  3. seeker

    seeker TRIBE Member

    yeah, from what i understand 'recreational' is not a term i'd use to describe it. i think i'd like to try some though, under the right conditions.

    but i don't think you'd sit down on a friday night and say "well, i'm kinda bored. maybe i should hit some salvia..."
  4. echootje

    echootje TRIBE Member

    ^^^ ditto what they said

    I've done a lot of reading on Salvia.D and it is more often than not a great way to scare the shit out of yourself.
  5. feisty boy

    feisty boy TRIBE Member

    here's a user report from erowid...

    "Anyway, I felt very wrong. Incredible waves of strange feelings of alien anger overwhelmed me until I simply couldn't hold it back! I was trying
    to tell one person whose face rippled like a pool of water in the wind that he better give me my money he owes me or I was going to do
    something about it. He apparently did not understand what I was trying to say - my girlfriend (the bad sitter) told me that what came out was
    total gibberish! Anyway, he recognized my general tone and wasn't happy and he basically told me to screw. I did not hear this because the
    rippling in his face became more violent as he got angry and the rippling made a sound like some sort of deep-vibrating instrument, like a
    cello or oboe. I interpreted his actions as hostile and people were gathering around. It looked like I was on display by a bunch of entities or
    gods with rippling faces. I felt small and my body sensation felt as if the mass or matter of my body was getting small. Time distortion was

    This may have been one minute but seemed longer. I turned to my girlfriend and tried to tell her to get me out of there but she did not
    understand. She did not appear to be an entity like the rest who were still staring at and poking me to get my attention. I turned back around
    and the music in the room began to get louder. At this point the room seemed to get brighter as the music's loudness went up and I couldn't
    handle it. I freaked. I turned around to hold out my hand to my girlfriend hoping she'd understand me and take me back upstairs, but she was
    GONE!!! Then I got pushed! I fell down and slid under some table whose legs looked like an animal. I thought I was somewhere else, like a
    jungle. I wanted to get out from under this elephant's legs. I got up and realized it was a table.

    I saw a huge cake on the table with a large knife next to it that shined as if beckoning me to end this harassment. I turned to look at the crowd
    of entities. There were only two or three there, the rest went away - possibly no longer interested in the ruin of this party I was not invited to.
    The hostile entity came toward me quickly and his face turned from a ripple to a violent boil. I backed up and hit the table and my hand had
    something in it. Before I realized it, I was on the floor again and all the entities were back again with faces of fire. I was wet for some reason. I
    tried to speak to get someone to get me home, but it did not work. I got up and two entities held me against a wall. None of the other entities
    were staring at me anymore, but they were staring at a lump on the floor. The music was gone and room darkened. Many entities left. Two
    blue entities appeared and held me down and were speaking strangeness to me. I nodded my head 'NO' several times. They seemed to
    understand that I, did not!

    I started feeling the come down. It was abrupt. I went from incoherence to a deep, stoner-like high as I was being helped down a flight of
    stairs. When the front door opened, I saw blue and red flashing lights and began to feel confused again, but then I thought I figured it out - that
    they called the cops on me and I was being arrested for disturbing peace or something. "

    sounds like fun...
  6. depraved

    depraved TRIBE Member

    If after reading the info at sagewisdom.org you decide that it's something you may be interested in trying, I recommend the standardized salvinorin A enhanced leaf. The taste of the emerald essence is pure ass.
    It isn't a party drug. That said, a 5th level trip can yield some profound personal insights. Know before you go; read the trippers manual...
    - Greg
  7. roo

    roo TRIBE Member

    good stuff. it's a short high, but i could NOT stop laughing. so fucking ridiculous
  8. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    It's more a curiosity thing than anything for me right now. I'm not going to go out of my way to look for it, but under the right circumstances I might give it a go. Certainly not something I'd hook up at a party or anything like that.

    One of the biggest reasons that I'd want to try it is that in all my years, never have I been scared of what something was doing to me or my brain. And never did I feel like I was past my limit or getting into something dangerous and unknown. I've always had complete control (or at least relatively) and I want to know what it feels like to slip over the edge without it actually being dangerous for me.

  9. Tonedeff

    Tonedeff TRIBE Member

    Don't take this wrong way or anything, but as long as this thread is at the top I might as well say it...

    I don't think it's a good idea to post a source for an unscheduled drug on a public message board because you end up drawing unnecessary attention to suppliers and possibly having some twelve year old kid who reads this board ordering some and having a level five trip while going to his cub scouts meeting...he freaks out, lives unfortunately, and tells his cub scout leader that he ordered this stuff called Saliva Dinasourum from the interweb.

    Result: Sally D gets scheduled.

    I know that this article already appeared on a website/newspaper, that Salvia is legal and has been written about in spin or something a few months ago, and that any jackass can type it into a search engine, but why make it easier and post the source directly in your message?

    This is why we are currently waving bye-bye-bye to all the research chemicals.
  10. patri©k

    patri©k TRIBE Member

    las vegas has some shit called sticky purple salvia.

    35 x's strength.

    dood at the mystic whatever place near stratosphere said they were soon to get 80 x's.

    15 x's is PLENTY HELLA STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    fuckin' 0.2 and a good flame will getcha RIGHT FAKKERED!
  11. brindle

    brindle TRIBE Member

    what was your experience(s) like?

  12. Aleks

    Aleks TRIBE Member

    ^^ crazay!

    i have yet to try Sally D. im definately damn curious...
  13. MissBlu

    MissBlu TRIBE Member

    I have heared this too... I like to mellow when I smoke, not freak out.... So I dont think its for me... Ill just stick to my mango papers for something different....
  14. Taro

    Taro TRIBE Member

    I've smoked loads of it. I never got as high as my friends but it was never unpleasent for me in any sense. Certainly not a party drug-but I never do hallucinogens at public events anyway
  15. kaniz

    kaniz TRIBE Member

    I've read alot of "good" things about it, but its all in how you approach the drug.

    If you're just looking for a cheap/legal way to get fucked up at a party - then most likely it's gunna knock you on your ass, esp if your smoking super-potent extract instead of dried leaves (the leafs have a different affect, more mild/subtle from what I understand).

    But, if your sitting down and cracking back 3 or 4 hauls off of 40x extract at a party, your going to be knocked on your ass and not have a very pleasent expierence.

    But, if your looking to "get something" out of it, and are in the right mindset/prep and have a sitter for it, you can get something out of it - but the same can be said for pretty much any psychadelic.

    I've had mushrooms be 'fun crazy party drug', to 'sat down and reflected for the entire trip and got something meaninful from it'

    but with salvia, if you try and use it for a party drug, your most likely gunna have a bad time instead.
  16. why not

    why not TRIBE Member

    i've smoked the leaves before, and while they may not be as concentrated as the extract, they will still destroy you if you inhale enough quickly enough.

    it was an interesting experience, but not one that i'll be trying again anytime soon.
    total disruption of the brain - like a massive dose of acid.

    before you cross that threshold though, it's more like crappy weed. because of this, it's kind of tricky - you smoke some, get a bit buzzed and think you can handle it. the next time, you inhale a bit deeper, and suddenly you can't remember how to speak english or where you are.
    five minutes later, and you're back to normal.

    i wouldn't say it's scary, but it's so powerful it's hard to take anything back from it. by the time you figure out that you're high and not just dreaming, you're sober again.
  17. jared k

    jared k TRIBE Member

    it made me instantly angry. then i went to sleep. not much fun at all.
  18. Aleks

    Aleks TRIBE Member

    it seems interesting that everyone has a different thing ( + or -) to say about it. it intrigues me even more...
  19. why not

    why not TRIBE Member

    it's worth trying once. i wouldn't do it in public though, and if i were you i'd try to have a sitter there.
    picture that "hasn't lost his hardcore" guy.
    it's very unpredictable.
    only drug i've ever done that fucked me up so much i momentarily forgot i'd done a drug.
    (including large doses of acid and mushrooms)
  20. Aleks

    Aleks TRIBE Member


    right on.
  21. why not

    why not TRIBE Member

    btw -
    salvia is a disassociative, in the same general family as ketamine, PCP, and DXM.
    PCP and DXM are believed to cause brain lesions in heavy users, although it's generally believed that ketamine does not.

    i don't think salvia has been investigated enough to know whether it has this effect, so don't go overboard with it.
  22. sweetdaddy

    sweetdaddy TRIBE Member

    salvia was very strong, and quite unpleasant for me. I was happy that it did not last very long.

    i won't touch it again.
  23. Rude1_247

    Rude1_247 TRIBE Member

    this has flown under the radar for years. It's been around since at least 93 and available in Toronto.

    Stay away from it. If you're intent on giving it a go, make SURE you have a sitter, and make SURE you're in a relatively calm mental state (i.e. not super stressed, not dealing with much drama, etc).
  24. AdamAnt

    AdamAnt TRIBE Member

    The thing with other drugs is that you get high and you say "man I'm fucked." With Salvia you're so fucked you don't even realize that you're high. You're just gone.

    Worth trying. But it's legal for a reason.
  25. MissBlu

    MissBlu TRIBE Member

    Also available in Kitchener... Pretty expensive... Dont think Ill try... I enjoy being subdued (sp?)

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