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Robert Baltovich case. The truth and nothing but

Hal-9000

TRIBE Member
The lead investigator on this case was my next door neighbor at the time. Really tough-looking SOB but never grassed me up to the parents-- he was always clocking me getting high in the backyard.
 
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kirstenmeows

TRIBE Member
The Kid said:
this is sorting of exciting, i think officially my first internet axe-grinding stalker... and the fan of a convicted murderer too!

*swoon*

if anything happens to me guys, someone please email this thread to the star.

:p
Perfect!! We will defend you..;)
 

basketballjones

TRIBE Member
an honest man said:
i will destroy the kid (and anyone else on this), that i promise. He says he knows the Bain family. The Bains (no disrespect) are a bunch of quacks. Im surprised we havent seen the father on page one. Remember Farrah khans dad. some similarities. Theres now rock solid evidence that members of the Bain family lied under oath and changed some of their stories

and if i help one person is here expand their brain, ive done my job
buddy, between me and basketballjones, we have crazy locked up on this board

take your disjointed, badly phrased fights to torontojungle.com

hphmmmm
 

an honest man

New Member
wow, i really feel we are coming together as a group.

steve reesor is a chump. thats as honest as i can put it. the guy got promoted because of robs case. ask him if he is still beating his wife/ex wife. the guy is a piece o shttt.

for the neighbour of him, ask him why he left his cushy deputy chief job. this guy had someone intelligent advising him thats for sure. he knew his job/pension and reputation were in big trouble due to this case. policemen just dont retire 14 yrs early. ask him about the boxes of evidence he and raybould withheld from the crown/defence. cant wait to see them roast.

by tuesday(not monday lke i said before) 5pm this case will be done. rob will be given an acquittal and then its time to sue. then hopefully the bains and many others can give official apologies.

for the winners that just like to reply in any post for no reason. get a life please. cheers ladies
 
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peko

TRIBE Member
Stan said:
Who the fuck is Robert Baltovich?
the first quote is another journalist's blog post about finkle (who published a book about RB).

September 28, 2007...5:44 pm
Derek Finkle


Derek Finkle: Integrity in Journalism
By: Laura Malloy

His notes. His recordings. His sources. They wanted it all.

The two subpoenas descended like a fog on Derek Finkle’s life. He hadn’t guessed his book No Claim to Mercy would raise a furor. He was young, ambitious and inquisitive. He had no idea the book would help grant Robert Baltovich a retrial. He never imagined his brush with the law would change his life forever.

Seven years earlier, in 1992, Robert Baltovich was convicted of murdering his 22 year old girlfriend, Elizabeth Bain.

He spent eight years in jail.

Not long after Baltovich’s conviction, Finkle drew an exhausted breath. A plethora of newspaper articles, documents and notes lay on his desk. After months of poring over documents about Baltovich’s case, Finkle decided he would do it. He would go to Baltovich and see if the man would talk.

Finkle was new to journalism. He had curiosity. He wanted to know the truth and spread it. With the research and resources at his fingertips, he would write a magazine article about Baltovich’s case.

Finkle spent more than 50 hours interviewing Baltovich in prison. The magazine article he originally planned, turned into a book. He raised questions about the fairness of Baltovich’s trial and conviction and how thorough the police investigation had been. He felt his book brought the characters to life; he could see and feel them.

No Claim to Mercy was published in 1998.

In 2004, Baltovich was granted parole pending his appeal. The Ontario Court of Appeal ruled that Baltovich was unfairly convicted due to legal errors and quashed his conviction and ordered a retrial. Authorities never questioned Paul Bernardo, who had met Bain through his ex-girlfriend. Bernardo is the serial killer known as the “Scarborough Rapist.” He is serving a life sentence in Kingston Penitentiary. Regrettably, at the time of Baltovich’s first trial, defense lawyers did not have evidence to tie Bernardo to Bain’s murder.

In the summer months of 2006, Detective Robert Wilkinson, who had become the new lead investigator, contacted Finkle to talk about the case. What began as an apparently amicable partnership soon turned sour. Wilkinson seemed to neglect Finkle. Finkle wanted the detective’s questions in writing. Wilkinson refused. Finkle gave no answers.
Detective Wilkinson and other investigators did not like the way Finkle was treating them by not giving them the information they wanted. On October 17, 2006, Wilkinson went to a Crown attorney’s office and supplied a clerk with the information he needed to subpoena Finkle. It read that, “all documents or notes in relation to any publications or other material printed in relation to Robert Baltovich,” were to be brought to Baltovich’s next court appearance.

Finkle handed over a list of materials to the police he claimed to have maintained after the publication of No Claim To Mercy. The police were indignant that he failed to hand over recordings of his interview with Baltovich. Finkle said that the subpoena he was presented with only requested printed material. The police came back to Finkle and demanded all the audiotapes he had. Finkle refused. He tried to quash the subpoena on the grounds that the giving up of all his printed research material infringes on his rights to freedom of expression and freedom of the press as expressed in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The subpoena was not quashed immediately.

Three months later, Detective Wilkinson obtained another subpoena. On April 30, 2007, he believed that there were relevant statements in Finkle’s book and that he should appear at Baltovich’s retrial with his source information.

Honourable Justice Watt accused the police of going on a fishing expedition. They were not looking for any particular document or information. They wanted to get any information on Baltovich in hopes of putting him away for a crime he was once convicted of. Watt quashed both subpoenas.

Robert Baltovich’s trial is ongoing. Bernardo, who denies killing Bain, may be called to as a witness in the retrial.

If Finkle was forced to hand over his sources and testify at Baltovich’s trial, that would defy the protection that journalists enjoy under the Charter. This protection allows the collection and reporting of news to be carried out without penalty.

Finkle exercised the principles of journalism. He was loyal to Canadian citizens. He was exposing the truth. He was loyal to Baltovich. Finkle practiced personal conscience through it all.

source: http://journalismprint.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/derek-finkle/
Baltovich murder trial begins, delayed until next week
Posted: April 16, 2008, 1:25 PM by Chris Boutet
By Shannon Kari, National Post

The murder trial of Robert Baltovich formally got underway in a Toronto courtroom Wednesday morning, only to be adjourned a few minutes later.

Mr. Baltovich, 42, was asked to stand and face the jury as some of its obligations were read out by a court clerk. After this brief procedure was completed, the Crown indicated that it was not ready to present its opening arguments, which were originally scheduled to be delivered earlier this week.

“The delay that brings us to today is at the Crown’s request,” said prosecutor Phil Kotanen. “I regret to say I have to ask for one more indulgence. I am simply not in a position to commence this trial,” he said.

The lead Crown attorney added that he did not expect the delay to change the estimate that the trial will not last more than two months.

Superior Court Justice David McCombs granted the Crown’s request to delay opening arguments until April 22.

Mr. Kotanen provided more reasons for the delay before the jury was in court. Those comments are subject to a publication ban because they were made outside the presence of the jury.

Defence lawyer James Lockyer did not raise any objection in court to this latest delay in the trial.

Mr. Baltovich is charged with second-degree murder in the death of his girlfriend, Elizabeth Bain.

She disappeared in June, 1990, after telling her mother she was going to the Scarborough campus of the University of Toronto. Her body has never been found.

The jury has heard that this is a re-trial for Mr. Baltovich. The Ontario Court of Appeal ordered a new trial in 2004.


Mr. Baltovich did not make any comment as he left court Wednesday.

Photo: Robert Baltovich leaves the Superior Court building in Toronto, October 16, 2007. (Shannon Kari/National Post)
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2008/04/16/baltovich-murder-trial-delayed-until-next-week.aspx
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an honest man

New Member
peko- the funny thing about the crown wanting dereks notes was that lockyear wanted them to have them and said it on the record. finkle did alot investigative work that helped robs case. the crown has been looking for the magic unicorn for years now.

but this time they dont have a corrupt judge and criminal minded police officers. man the media would have had a hay day when reesor/raybould got cross examined.

this judge is so on top of things its starting to bring back some of my faith in canada.

i would have liked the kid to talk about the issue he once spoke of with such great passion and bs. but i dont blame him. he can hide under a rock and pretend im the reason why he doesnt want to speak about it. he's quite typical. talk trash and then run/hide when your caught.

cheers
 

peko

TRIBE Member
if a creepy stranger was internet bullying me about MY OPINION from 4 years ago about a story which I may or may not be EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED (somewhat through 6 degrees of kevin bacon) with, then I wouldn't encourage the 'debate' either - there's something to be said about being wise and knowing when to 'let it go'.

dude, you're really grasping to rage on a random stranger - so swallow the same treatment and 'let it go'.... do you treat 'journalists' the same way?

/over and out.
 

SJN

TRIBE Member
an honest man said:
[the kid] called rob a murderer and othe scum bag names.
an honest man said:
steve reesor is a chump. thats as honest as i can put it. the guy got promoted because of robs case. ask him if he is still beating his wife/ex wife. the guy is a piece o shttt.
hypocrite much?
 
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an honest man

New Member
stating facts is not being a hypocrite.

and im the creepy one. sorry guys look in the mirror. you guys come into a thread and post useless childish crap. ya ok son.

no rage on my part (though on the pc it may appear that way). just killing some free time and calling out a clown, thats all.

theres some really sad people in here im starting to notice. ever heard of fresh air. sad

ive never spoken to a jounalist. and if they were spewing lies id probably call them out also. and like most canadians they would probably run/hide. oh i mean be wise and say nothing
 
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afterglow

TRIBE Member
This is a pretty silly way to spend "killing free time".

Also re-hashing a thread from 4 years ago is also pretty silly.
 

an honest man

New Member
20,000-30,000 posts some of you. love to know the %of intelligent posts.alot of people love to stick their noses in others biz and do nothing but try and act cool. you guys are very cool

vinder bring it on then jr. ive stated nothing but facts. now its your turn, or you can go suck your thumb with 'the kid.lol. this place is a joke
 
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Muad'ib

Well-Known TRIBEr
selected highlights

an honest moran said:
theres some really sad people in here im starting to notice. ever heard of fresh air. sad
an honest moran said:
for the winners that just like to reply in any post for no reason. get a life please. cheers ladies
an honest moran said:
all of a sudden dozens of trolls jumped into the thread and took over. name called and other childish actions.

why they did?? i dont want to know. lives are boring, porno not on till 11pm. again i dont want to know.
an honest moran said:
alot of really ignorant people in here. alot of james dean types also.
an honest moran said:
man now i know where all the dungeons and dragons fanatics hang out.
an honest moran said:
sorry for making you clods have to think for once
an honest moran said:
im close to this case. he is just a wannabe poser. and trust me im not worked up at all.
an honest moran said:
its amazing how tough geeks can be on the pc.
an honest moran said:
for guys that say this is so 18 yrs ago, why post in here then. that bored with life. for the others that like showing off their educational skills, best wishes.
an honest moran said:
when i reach 100 do i get a book mark or can i call myself cool
an honest moran said:
unlike you guys they probably have jobs.

did you hear that they have the internet on computers now?
 

an honest man

New Member
this is what happens when the chimp walks into the babboons cage. and im the creepy one. i really wish this wasnt a canadian forum. you guys make americans look bright. wow
 
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