Rise (and Fall?) of Hip Hop

[Karim]

So watching the music world and how saturated the media geared towards the younger generation is to Hip Hop, do you think it's hit its peak popularity? Do you think that it's the beginning of the end? Or that it started to die along time ago?

Certainly the recognition of talent died along time ago, for now, "popular" hip hop is very commercial.

I just saw a milk commercial with the milk farmers rapping like in a rap video. Genre and culture exploited?

If it is indeed going to follow the same pattern of rise and recession (like Rock, Disco, Retro, and Grunge) when will this start?

I personally can't wait till something new takes over. Perhaps something that'll show more respect to women and people in general.

What will the majority, white suburban kid have in his/her cd player 5-10 years from now? Will popular club culture die with the fall of hip hop?

Discuss.


Karim

 

[zoo]

psssst

there's a hiphop forum ;0)

 

[terrawrist III]

you guys are killing me ..it's like the 8th time it's happened this week...as im saying this the hip hop room is slowly dying a horrible death..this would easily be the best thread since it's conception

 

[TheDirtBikeKid]

If you want to know what is next to be popular, go to a high school and talk to grade 9 students.
Tv changes every 4 years or so(this does effect music).
Soo, Talk to grade 9's and then go talk to grade 5's. If they are into the same thing, that should give you a better idea.

Dave

 

[terrawrist III]

if you need media romantisism to dictate your hip hop followings then your sad...what governs the world in terms of hip hop isn't good enough for me...dead or not WHO CARES...if you want the bigger picture on the state of it all then it all ended in 93-94 to be honest...that's not the point though,the point is simply SEEK AND DESTROY!...do some research on the growing of this culture MUSICALLY and you'll be fine...lot's of good quality stuff to choose from last year alone to even think about the problems pop culture cookie cutter hip hop has!!

cmon...this topic is dont to death, quite like the rap world as a whole so let's just move on and find shit out so your state of growing isn't stagnant

 

[case sensitive]

It's been common to find hip-hop deliveries from unlikely sources since the 80's when hip-hop gained a larger (white?) audience. That is not news or a threat IMO.

matt

 

[Spikey]

I'll stab it just to kill it faster if I have to

 

[Karim]

Originally posted by terrawrist III
if you need media romantisism to dictate your hip hop followings then your sad...

That is the sad truth. Alot of what the kids listen to IS dictated by media romantisism. But it's inevitable for the kids to say "enough is enough" and move on. Is this happening now?

Originally posted by terrawrist III if you want the bigger picture on the state of it all then it all ended in 93-94 to be honest...

Indeed, but pop culture hip hop continued to grow, it affects our lives due to constant exposure through various media outlets. It's easy to say "walk away from it if you don't like it" but it's easier said than done when this wing of pop culture has grown so big that it's taken over all forms of advertising and television. I'm just curious as to what's next and why it'd take over. What do we have to put up with next? I am also wishfully thinking that the pop music of tomorrow will be far more inspiring and insightful. It's a shame that the "good hip hop" just doesn't sell so much with the kids.

Over MSN, me and Zoo debated this topic and he concluded that every generation of pop culture had a negative influence on the youth, that commercial hip hop cannot be the scapegoat to the problems in society. However I still believe that it doesn't help society when kids listen to alot of the negative music that's out there. It's evident in the changing ways of popular club culture. Part of the new rise of weed consumption is due to the glorification done by the Chronics of the industry (snoop dog, etc.). It may only be a small part of the rise of weed, but it definately had some influence.

So the big question is whether or not it is possible to have popular culture actually be positive? Will there ever be a time where sex doesn't sell so much and criminal activity is not glorified?


Karim

 

[bboyrds]

Originally posted by Karim
If it is indeed going to follow the same pattern of rise and recession (like Rock, Disco, Retro, and Grunge) when will this start?

Perhaps it will follow the same pattern of rise and recession. But I think that would only be true for Hip Hop's tenure as "pop"ular music.

Hip Hop music will always be around, because it is driven by a culture. And unlike say, disco, that culture is very rich and diverse. It isn't driven by record sales or by movies. It's represented in many forms of expression. Hip Hop is a culture...not just music.

 

[MoFo]

More Prada and guns, less soul and lyrical geniuses.


Kids don't seem to do the "underground" thing anymore. Back in highschool, we actively searched for shit that wasn't being played on Much or at school dances.
*shrug*

There's always going to be a mainstreamers in every generation.
Hip-hop isn't going to die. It's just going to have a backlash and reinvent itself much like electronic music, indie rock (grunge) and pop.

 

[bboyrds]

Originally posted by Karim
Part of the new rise of weed consumption is due to the glorification done by the Chronics of the industry (snoop dog, etc.). It may only be a small part of the rise of weed, but it definately had some influence.

There's a rise in weed consumption?

 

[Karim]

Oh yeah, I read an article somewhere that alot more kids are smoking pot these days.


Karim

 

[bboyrds]

Originally posted by Karim
Oh yeah, I read an article somewhere that alot more kids are smoking pot these days.


Karim

hmmm....not sure I believe that stat. I mean, drug references in music is not a new thing. I think the 60s and 70s had a weed culture just as big as we have now. It was just different.

besides, 65% of all stats are made up.

 

[MoFo]

Well, all my kids seem to know what weed is. And we're talking about 10 year-olds.

 

[terrawrist III]

people need to stop being "grown" in our culture and plant seeds in their own head to help advance themselves,musically or otherwise...YES, hip hop commercialism is a scapegoat for many of societies ills especially when it comes to kids but that's where responsible parenting and the child's own brain come in to play.Hip hop died as soon as $$$$$$$ and violent drug related videos surfaced but these should have been looked at as a fantasy world even though it was being "performed" by real life gangstas for the most part...Yes I have given up on the struggle between bling/conscious debate in hip hop because the attraction of a life less ordinary compared to our own is too much for people to weigh in any profound thinking...

no one wants to be told what to listen to...ive given up on that shit...it's up to the individual, the only real way change can occur in the hip hop community if you can call it that

 

[Funzo]

Originally posted by MoFo
Kids don't seem to do the "underground" thing anymore. Back in highschool, we actively searched for shit that wasn't being played on Much or at school dances.

This is where Hip-hop will remain pure and true! There have been very few acts in the mainstream that I personally enjoy. For me it always has been about the underground. I'm sure there are still kids out there keepin it real!

just my input

 

[terrawrist III]

I can create at least 25 analogies to explain why hip hop is dead and can't resurface as an important medium but I would be wasting my time...once something is dilluted it's FUCKED for good, same is the case with hip hop as an artform...this is not a question for me,you,zoo,riot,zorak and the other people for whom I KNOW try to advance their musical thinking beyond gold grills and hennesy, but rather for the people who choose to listen to commercialized nonsense to get them through a typical day

hip hop is dead...those who care about such a question DEAL WITH IT!

 

[terrawrist III]

Originally posted by bboyrds
hmmm....not sure I believe that stat. I mean, drug references in music is not a new thing. I think the 60s and 70s had a weed culture just as big as we have now. It was just different.

besides, 65% of all stats are made up.

nowadays there's more of a "LOOK..I smoke weed...im cool, right??" asthetic to videos and songs than there was back then...references YES but not marketing an entire song with lyrics about SMOKING WEED...that's the lack of creative motivation were faced with these days where we have to actually mean what we say in song...never hints to much else but of course Im speaking purely against commercial hip hop

 

[terrawrist III]

with the world's mind on janet's titty flop I can't even believe a question about hip hop's life was even brought up...that in itself speaks volumes

 

[bboyrds]

I just can't agree that hip hop is dead. Yes mainstream hip hop sucks. But that doesn't change the fact that there is TONS of good hip hop out there. Perhaps there is even more "underground" hip hop than before, with more diversity in sound and style.

And sure maybe kids aren't trying as hard to find good music anymore, but those kids do eventually grow up. And when they do (I'm sure everyone here is evidence of this), they look for more substance in their music.

1 step back, 2 steps forward?

The way I see it, all genres of music come subject to commercialization. Rock, grunge, punk, hip hop, electronic...it all gets pimped. I can't think of any rock or grunge, but simple Plan, Blink 182, Nelly, Aqua...all the same to me. All are valid genre's of music that have been POPped.

Hip Hop is at the height of its commercial appeal, but again I stress, that scene just doesn't propagate the culture. So if/when HIP POP dies, HIP HOP music and culture will still survive. Bling will die out, but Backpack will remain. WORD

 

[bboyrds]

Originally posted by terrawrist III
hip hop is dead...those who care about such a question DEAL WITH IT!

You're evidence to the contrary...

 

[OhNo!]

who cares about the fucking mainstream?not I.I didnt care about it back in 1984 when I first heard 'the message',didn't care about in 1987 when I was the only one in grade 7 pumping epmd and bdp,didn't care in 1993 when i was playing del and everyone was playing house of pain and i dont care now.the so-called 'mainstream' of hip-hop has always been saturated with bravado and materialism its just now that it is being co-opted by corporations and being sold back to you that you take notice,move on, because for every public enemy there has always been a mc hammer or vanilla ice to deal with.

 

[junglegirl]

Originally posted by MoFo
Well, all my kids seem to know what weed is. And we're talking about 10 year-olds.

weed is being talked about in the media alot too - laws and stuff - so kids might be hearing their parents talking about it

 

[pr0nstar]

I didn't read all this thread.

But the real hip-hop culture scene "died" when Heavy D and friends appeared on Sprite Commercials

pr0nstar

 

[Aerius Zension]

The world needs less Snap-Rappers