trinitydub
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killed in a car crash at age 83.
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RIP helmut newton
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terrawrist III
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and he is.....?
Northernsoul
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The true originator of photoerotocism
RIP.
A slightly eccentric chap but a fucking brilliant forward thinking artist!
RIP.
A slightly eccentric chap but a fucking brilliant forward thinking artist!
laser_racer
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When i worked for indigo.ca I had to scan a book cover of his that was approx 3 feet by 2 feet. The image on the front cover was a nude photo he took of a model, and because of the size I had to scan it in 4 pieces. It was a joy to rejoin the separate scans to complete the image. The book came with it's own table to display it on and runs at $3000 us.
Here's the link below.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-0561423-3673405?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
he's done some excellent work indeed.
p.s. Hi Northernsoul. Hope all is treating you well back east.
Here's the link below.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-0561423-3673405?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
he's done some excellent work indeed.
p.s. Hi Northernsoul. Hope all is treating you well back east.
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fightingskurvy
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my sentiments exactly.
kerouacdude
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Not quite Arny Fretag, but I like a lot of his work.
Married to the same woman for 55 years, not exactly a good candidate for the misogyny label.
Married to the same woman for 55 years, not exactly a good candidate for the misogyny label.
kerouacdude
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I can understand you not liking him, but c'mon Mofo, there's snobbery and a hint of reverse sexism in the art/photog world. He took photos like a straight guy would, and he got shit for it.
I think one could make the claim that someone like Scavullo was more of a misogynist - half the time focusing more on the makeup and clothes and the glamour of it all, overfeminization of the subject (and i'm talking his work outside of the circumscribed limits of fashion mags). To me that's more objectifying of women than showing them in all manner of moods. I mean, some of Newton's images of women are very powerful and strong.
But no one would make that claim because Scavullo's a gay man "admiring" the female. When it's a straight dude it suddenly becomes a bit more tawdry and infused with gender politics and fodder for feminists.
Also, Newton did landscapes and portraits of political leaders and other famous people.
I think one could make the claim that someone like Scavullo was more of a misogynist - half the time focusing more on the makeup and clothes and the glamour of it all, overfeminization of the subject (and i'm talking his work outside of the circumscribed limits of fashion mags). To me that's more objectifying of women than showing them in all manner of moods. I mean, some of Newton's images of women are very powerful and strong.
But no one would make that claim because Scavullo's a gay man "admiring" the female. When it's a straight dude it suddenly becomes a bit more tawdry and infused with gender politics and fodder for feminists.
Also, Newton did landscapes and portraits of political leaders and other famous people.
Oh, don't even get me started on Scavullo, Weber and Bourdin.
I personally found Newton's work shallow and dull. I didn't see anything revolutionary about Newton's work other than the fact that he paved the way for hot lesbian action being accepted in photography.
We've discussed this in Contemporary Issues and what's interesting is that all the men are totally okay with his work but the gay men, lesbians and straight women were all disgusted by it personally. Haha.
What photographers do you like, btw? Curious.
I personally found Newton's work shallow and dull. I didn't see anything revolutionary about Newton's work other than the fact that he paved the way for hot lesbian action being accepted in photography.
We've discussed this in Contemporary Issues and what's interesting is that all the men are totally okay with his work but the gay men, lesbians and straight women were all disgusted by it personally. Haha.
What photographers do you like, btw? Curious.
kerouacdude
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haha...yeah Mofo, your third paragraph is really what fascinates me, what I was kinda trying to say...I'd also add that it seems those who study photography (like you) tend to hate him, and relative ignoramuses (like me) tend to be more favourable.
On that note, I don't think I know enough to have favourites - I usually like some stuff of most photographers and rarely all of their work. But like other art forms, I like what I like regardless of whether it's by someone popular (Ansel Adams), trendy (Man Ray) or freakish (Shelby Adams). But I can tell you I loathe that Anne Geddes stuff - that's porn for the TLC/Oprah crowd.
I do want to check out the crime scene photos at the Stephen Bulger gallery.
btw - the Arny Fretag part was an obscure but fitting reference - he's pretty much done all the Playboy centerfolds for the last 30-40 years.
On that note, I don't think I know enough to have favourites - I usually like some stuff of most photographers and rarely all of their work. But like other art forms, I like what I like regardless of whether it's by someone popular (Ansel Adams), trendy (Man Ray) or freakish (Shelby Adams). But I can tell you I loathe that Anne Geddes stuff - that's porn for the TLC/Oprah crowd.
I do want to check out the crime scene photos at the Stephen Bulger gallery.
btw - the Arny Fretag part was an obscure but fitting reference - he's pretty much done all the Playboy centerfolds for the last 30-40 years.
Well, I study photography but I am also a fan. I don't think about all that discourse stuff when I'm collecting books and shit. I just like the images for what they are. As an artist, I fucking hate Newton's work. As a fanboy, I like some of his hot chicks because well... they're hot. And with Bourdin, he objectified women like the Japanese do with all those tentacle-rape animes but I still like it as a fan. I like to have two perspectives for everything in life, especially art and music.
...in any art form, if you can be immediately recognized for your work, then you have achieved greatness. In the photographic medium, that is next to impossible. Many have shot nudes.
But rarely has anyone captivated audiences like Newton on the female form. It is neither this nor that. Clothed or unclothed. Colour or black and white. It is art. And he defined eroticism like no other in that field. He is one of the greatest photogrpahers to have lived.
To talk of misogyny is missing the point. Whether Mapplethorpe, Ritts, Sherman shot those photos, it is undoubtedly art on the highest scale.
RIP HN.
But rarely has anyone captivated audiences like Newton on the female form. It is neither this nor that. Clothed or unclothed. Colour or black and white. It is art. And he defined eroticism like no other in that field. He is one of the greatest photogrpahers to have lived.
To talk of misogyny is missing the point. Whether Mapplethorpe, Ritts, Sherman shot those photos, it is undoubtedly art on the highest scale.
RIP HN.