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Richie Hawtin: DE9 2005
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mmmm...brain-fuck minimal, my favorite kind 
although, it doesnt always translate to a club setting very well.
however, I am ashamed to admit I've only seen him once (at Kabin). For a long time, I didnt 'get' his music and didnt pay much attention to him, and then one day something clicked, and now I have the urge to goto berlin and buy t-shirts while drinking some of magdas tea.
although, it doesnt always translate to a club setting very well.however, I am ashamed to admit I've only seen him once (at Kabin). For a long time, I didnt 'get' his music and didnt pay much attention to him, and then one day something clicked, and now I have the urge to goto berlin and buy t-shirts while drinking some of magdas tea.
I think Richie's set at Guvernemnt was great, I think it was better than the set he played in Kabin.
He has been pushing the minimal sound for a while now, and i respect that, and to tell you the truth i hate anything mainstream even if it sounds good, when music goes mainstream it loses its uniqueness. the fewer people know your sound the better thats what i think.
he is trying to show that music doesn't have to be hard and full of drums, His music maybe wont satisfy the hunger of those people on E, what they need is rush, they need to hear hard music, play any crap they will like it as long as it is hard...thats the main crowd in guverment...Well Richie's music sounds more attractive and enjoyable on LSD! all these minimal sounds and the emptiness of his music, thats the beauty of it, yeah some people will always hate him but does that mean he is no good?
he plays the music of future, he plays psychedelic, and he wont care if everybody leaves the dancefloor... he gets paid to play what he wants (not what the crowd wants to hear).
If every dj plays what the crowd wants then everybody will end up playing the same stupid mainstream tracks just like we see lots of djs doing it.
Why is it that everyone thinks music has to be danceable
He has been pushing the minimal sound for a while now, and i respect that, and to tell you the truth i hate anything mainstream even if it sounds good, when music goes mainstream it loses its uniqueness. the fewer people know your sound the better thats what i think.
he is trying to show that music doesn't have to be hard and full of drums, His music maybe wont satisfy the hunger of those people on E, what they need is rush, they need to hear hard music, play any crap they will like it as long as it is hard...thats the main crowd in guverment...Well Richie's music sounds more attractive and enjoyable on LSD! all these minimal sounds and the emptiness of his music, thats the beauty of it, yeah some people will always hate him but does that mean he is no good?
he plays the music of future, he plays psychedelic, and he wont care if everybody leaves the dancefloor... he gets paid to play what he wants (not what the crowd wants to hear).
If every dj plays what the crowd wants then everybody will end up playing the same stupid mainstream tracks just like we see lots of djs doing it.
Why is it that everyone thinks music has to be danceable
that's a good point though. and it's true, most dj's out there play the same friggin records as everyone else. what's 'hot' at the moment, everyone runs out and buys. this is especially true in certain dance music cliques. (won't mention any)
well i say fuck that. do something different dammit.
play shit NO ONE else plays. and i'm not talkin about 'idiotic different' , like a death metal record, after a garage record, but simply try to show some originality.
on a different note, i don't even know about techno these days. i skim through the paxahau archives (for example) when a new set is put up, and i find most of the sets to be pretty poorly programmed, with wack trax thrown in in the middle of nowhere. loud, messy, annoying trax. i don't know when the last time was I heard a really deep techno set, (online or live) where EVERY song from start to finish was the bomb. and personally it only takes 2 to 3 bad songs in a set to ruin the whole thing.
what was i talkin about again? oh yeah, people playing the exact same records.
and loosing interest in techno due to lack or flow.
-guess Im moving back to the REALLY REALLY deep house feel. straight up hard funk, and roots reggae. some salsa's also's sounding dope. those weird rythmic basslines, repetitive cuban harmonized vocals. out of this world drumming.
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To play devils advocate
Do you really think most of the DJ's you hear at clubs in Toronto, especially in the techno/tech-house realm go out and buy a record because its hot on the charts? Strangely I've never met one of these DJ's. Tunes usually become big because they are good in this scene, not the other way around.Isn't this what people are doing by playing techno/tech-house in the first place? .. I mean its a pretty small niche in to begin with. So you are saying I should play something absolutely different and the people on the dancefloor won't mind .. fawk I should have done that years ago.
So wait .. didn't you just say play something different? But now you want a whole set of just deep techno (which is a pretty small niche of music as it is). So you are saying that if the DJ tries something different even for just one track then its gonna kill your vibe completely? Doesn't really sound like you are up for something different at all.
So in conclusion you just want the DJ to play the records that you would want to hear .. strangely you and the other XXX amount of people in the room have the same problem.
Originally posted by oddmyth
To play devils advocate
--i wasn't really referrin to the techno community with that point.--
Isn't this what people are doing by playing techno/tech-house in the first place? .. I mean its a pretty small niche in to begin with. So you are saying I should play something absolutely different and the people on the dancefloor won't mind .. fawk I should have done that years ago.
--what i mean is attempt to SUPRISE people musically in a dj set. eg. theo parrish, francios K are great at this. don't just play the same shit as everyone else.
most sets i hear seem very mundane and lack dynamics these days.--
So wait .. didn't you just say play something different? But now you want a whole set of just deep techno (which is a pretty small niche of music as it is). So you are saying that if the DJ tries something different even for just one track then its gonna kill your vibe completely? Doesn't really sound like you are up for something different at all.
--i'd love to hear a whole set of deep techno. yeah that's one way of djing, opposed to the other more 'dynamic' method referred to above. i love both, as long as they're done well.
and i love to hear a dj experimenting up there. that's what it's all about. with production too. i can stand the Rock, grunge influence happening in the dance scene currently. i;m hearing too many trax with this rock vocal that comes in clearly sung by someone who's not really a singer, with some effects put on. as i said 2 to 3 bad records DOES ruin the set for me. immediately interupts the musical mind trip.--
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blipblurpbleep
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my favorite part of DE9 | Transitions is not found on the dvd or the cd for that matter, but rather within the 'thanks to' section:
blipblurpbleep
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how about we just meet at tom's...
assuming tom's interested in hearing it
assuming tom's interested in hearing it
blipblurpbleep
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whatever works for you then
and tom i suppose
and tom i suppose
blipblurpbleep
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actually i don't know.
i assumed he did...lol
i'm up for doing it anywhere, so let me know if you have any other ideas.
i assumed he did...lol
i'm up for doing it anywhere, so let me know if you have any other ideas.
i think the fact that everyone here is talking about him so much is a testament to the impact of the sound, art and image he's created.
i've heard transitions, and i like it. i don't think it's what i'd want in a club at 3am when i want to dance my ass off... but its certainly good music to cook breakfast too etc.
on the flipside, his recent 'nostalgik' ep's are so unbelievably crap, i'm flabbergasted.
again... a true artist, in that his shit's always a surprise and one that everyone's wondering about.
(and for the record... he had a flufftop hairstyle in the early 90's in windsor).
time to go polish my copy of 'elements of tone' heh heh.
i've heard transitions, and i like it. i don't think it's what i'd want in a club at 3am when i want to dance my ass off... but its certainly good music to cook breakfast too etc.
on the flipside, his recent 'nostalgik' ep's are so unbelievably crap, i'm flabbergasted.
again... a true artist, in that his shit's always a surprise and one that everyone's wondering about.
(and for the record... he had a flufftop hairstyle in the early 90's in windsor).
time to go polish my copy of 'elements of tone' heh heh.
Hawtin was nominated for a dancestar usa music video award...
Hawtin is #12 going up in DJ Mag's top 100 DJ poll. Villallobos also went up and Magda is a new entry.... hrrm.... apparently minimal techno is super super popular beyond the Berlin scene now (around Europe?), though largely due to the press exposure about the Berlin scene, and teh genre is becoming *trendy* and more commercially successfull ....
But Toronto is still all about the trendyness with the electro sounds... (and coming from MTL - I noticed it was 'late' to embrace the sound at the scale it has now, and it's interesting that is still going strong). But also it's funny how minimal is "cool" but it was already cool a while back in Toronto. Do you think it will become cool again? Most sentiments I hear from the broader club/ electronic music scenes around Toronto is that it's for nerds and chin strokers - which is a shame....
Hawtin is #12 going up in DJ Mag's top 100 DJ poll. Villallobos also went up and Magda is a new entry.... hrrm.... apparently minimal techno is super super popular beyond the Berlin scene now (around Europe?), though largely due to the press exposure about the Berlin scene, and teh genre is becoming *trendy* and more commercially successfull ....
But Toronto is still all about the trendyness with the electro sounds... (and coming from MTL - I noticed it was 'late' to embrace the sound at the scale it has now, and it's interesting that is still going strong). But also it's funny how minimal is "cool" but it was already cool a while back in Toronto. Do you think it will become cool again? Most sentiments I hear from the broader club/ electronic music scenes around Toronto is that it's for nerds and chin strokers - which is a shame....
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I don't think you can really take their ratings on the DJ Mag list as evidence of much. Emails were sent out to the m_nus, Plastikman, Paxahau and a few other mailing lists asking for people to vote for minimal djs. I think their placements on the list are just a reflection of a lot of people voting in that poll who normally don't.
But that doesn't mean it isn't becoming more popular, I just don't think a usually house/prog/trance oriented "favourite djs" magazine poll is any reliable evidence.
For what it's worth, more and more artists in Detroit keep saying they're "over" the whole minimal sound (whatever the hell that means), which probably means that it is becoming more popular, since those in the 313 seem to have this hilarious aversion to liking anything that's popular with more than six people.