progressive techno?

[vinder]

http://www.tribemagazine.com/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8598

just a heads up to get some of the tech heads in an interesting discussion in teh prog room

 

[tEkKiD]

just to let yah's know its not a "progressive techno" thread...its progressive vs. techno.


*yawn*

 

[vinder]

Originally posted by tEkKiD
just to let yah's know its not a "progressive techno" thread...its progressive vs. techno.


*yawn*

no it's not. read the thread title again, it says progressive techno.
quit being such an uber snob and join the discussion

 

[tEkKiD]

no thanks.

i did read the thread title, clearly it didn't go on topic.


again..... *yawn*


if your so concerned and worried about my presence in the discussion , why don't you join it , instead of creating a new thread about it....trying to russle people's feathers. Cause i certainly didn't see yourself saying much.


peace.

 

[~atp~]

A summary of my thoughts on that debate: (if anyone cares...


Techno has no limit to its expressive power because there are no limits to its form--which is why it is the only genre through which I choose to express myself.


-k

 

[fleaflo]

Originally posted by ~atp~
A summary of my thoughts on that debate: (if anyone cares...
Techno has no limit to its expressive power because there are no limits to its form--which is why it is the only genre through which I choose to express myself.-k

I care. The only thing that limits a persons ability to express themselves is...themselves. You only choose tekno to express yourself because that is a limitation you have decided to enforce upon yourself.

That is what you are comfortable with, which is totally normal and fair, however it is still a limitation no matter how it is explained.

 

[poker face]

I would say artists like Tony Thomas, and Chris lum would almost fall into a "progressive techno" sound.

 

[madnezz]

Originally posted by fleaflo
The only thing that limits a persons ability to express themselves is...themselves. You only choose tekno to express yourself because that is a limitation you have decided to enforce upon yourself.

RIGHT ON!!!! you tell em Flea.... *S*

adios
Laura

 

[~atp~]

Originally posted by fleaflo

You only choose tekno to express yourself because that is a limitation you have decided to enforce upon yourself.

That is what you are comfortable with, which is totally normal and fair, however it is still a limitation no matter how it is explained.

What I'm saying is that with respect to all other genres, techno does NOT limit me--"techno" allows me to play progressive, trance, breaks, house, and well, techno.
Hence my choice.

I suppose one could argue that it's difficult to mix in really trancy tracks or really proggy tracks into a techno set, but I usually don't like the real proggy/trancy tracks anyway--besides, someone who only spins trance will have a real hard time swinging into minimal-tech or even house for that matter, yet with techno going from minimal-tech to house to something with trance elements isn't difficult and is in fact done all the time.

This is only the way I feel about it, I'm not trying to undermine any progressive DJ's choice of genre.

-keith

 

[Adam Duke]

The only thing that limits a persons ability to express themselves is...themselves.

As far ass the djing world goes, Dave - I'd have to say your wrong. Techno has established itself as a base of rhythm structures - it's founded on the basest elements of what makes people dance. Other forms of music have rules or restrictions - try throwing two trance tracks on top of each other and just see if the melodies don't conflict or if the build isn't predictable(not great for reading the crowd or having the freedom to create builds yourself). Same with house music.

Not all forms of music are equal on the djing field. Some are very blatantly meant for the producers.

In my opinion, 'progressive' was since the beginning, a more commercially accesible stream of techno that incorporated higher production values than techno at that time. It incorporated elements of house and trance into it. It's like anything else though - when too many people latch onto someone elses sound and don't push themselves for originality, the music quality gets flooded with garbage, and eventually, formula. Progressive 'purists' are reeling now from doing exactly what the techno purists did, watching their music cave in on itself due to stagnation. To much of one thing ISN'T good. The beauty of music is its capacity to evolve and continually inspire us in new ways.

The musical landscape is changing again. Genres are blending all over the place...and it's a GOOD THING!!!

I for one, am excited about where music will take me next.

@m.

 

[beaker]

well stated, @m

but i think it's also true that creative expression cannot exist without restrictions. otherwise there is little value to it. i think this notion somehow applies to techno but i don't have time to get into it at the moment to work it out into words.

 

[coleridge]

Saying that techno has no limits to it's form is nonense. By that definition this twangy country instrumental playing during this Alberta tourism commercial I'm watching right now is in fact actually techno.

There obviously must be elements that would classify a piece of music as techno. When you hear a house record you know it's a house record.

My original thread wasn't a comparisson between techno and prog. Or trying to state one is better. I was simply wondering why so much of the techno community seems to have a problem with the term progressive techno as a label for hard tech edged proggy stuff. Music that lies between both genres. As I said the breaks community has happily addopted the progressive breaks term.

But as I said ... perhaps it should be called tech-prog.

Yeah when it comes down to it ... fuck genres. Good music is good music and all that other happy free thinking stuff.... But these genres exist to describe music with out you having to hear it.

 

[jeffpayne]

For me these genre names are there so when I go record shopping I don't end up in the 'euphoric trance' section!

That's right. Make sure I end up in the 'NuNRG' section where I belong!

 

[Adam Duke]

^^ lol!

Yes, you're right Matt - techno is not synonymous with the term 'music'. But it DOES have fewer limitations than most other forms of electronic music.

of course, true creativity would really entail everyone doing live pa's, completely on the fly using found sounds.

It'll be a while before that works well.

@m.

 

[DJAlchemy]

as posted in the prog. techno thread in the prog. room... just incase you techies don't go in there to read it.

"I can't believe that people still have a purist aditude towards music; you're arien race will only survive for so long. When I first heard Progressive house it sounded like slow techno with spacy noises to me, so the thought of progressive techno isn't that insane.

When progressive hit the big time it stuck its hand in everything, and put it in deep. There are elements of prog. music in nearly every genre (I have yet to come across prog-happycore) and I think its a great thing. Its adding another layer of depth to electroic music and its about damn time. What pisses me off is how once something become immensely popular it becomes packaged and formulated. The generic progressive sound is starting to wear thin i.e dark, cavernous noises; its time for progressive to PROGRESS somewhere else.

Even techno is starting to get stale. Theres only so much of the 909 I can stand & I think that just about every danceable pattern has been written. Example: Thomas Chrome @ Turbo. Fuckin loved it! but most of his set sounded very similar always comming back to the 1/8 note boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom at 140 bpm. I don't think I could stand such a consistant sound for more then 2 hours, its physically draining on the ears.

There are some artists whom I'm absolutely loving what they're doing as of lately. Joell Mull - probably the best example of prog. techno (in my opinion anyway) Jay Welsh - hard fuckin electro progressive! -very techno. Kenneth Graham - minimal, but still proggy.

theres a lot of good music out there. Don't alienate yourself from it becasue its labeled.

Peace & love. D"

 

[Tech_Head_Rob]

Joel Mull prog techno!?!?! i haven't been keeping up with the man the past little while, but his history is straight up Swedish-Code Red- killah drum loops kinda sound. But give me some recent track titles of his and i'll have a hear-see for myself...

To answer Coleridge's original question... First off, I think you're correct in that there's definitely music there that deserves to be called 'prog tech'. But there could be a lot of different answers to why so called 'tech heads' don't welcome the term 'prog-tech' even though it is fitting. I'll try to answer it from a personal point of view.

First, for me so called 'prog tech' sucks the big one. I actually find it worse than 'euphoric trance' or even 'real' progessive house. It attempts to capture the feel of techno... and in doing so it definitely captures the timbre of it. But it lacks the incredible rhythm that all good techno has. Prog tech sounds like slowed down techno that plods on, and on and on... it doesn't help that prog djs for the most part enjoy playing their tracks out until the very end. So attaching the moniker 'tech' to something i hate, when tech implies something i love (ie. pounding, kill yo' momma techno) is something i'm naturally opposed to. Progressive breaks could be a different story, i actually like progressive breaks and i think most breaks headz do to... so therefore they're more likely to accept the moniker.

Second, theres the whole 'techno has to be underground' stuff. Prog house is incredibly popular and therefore commercial (and for the life of me i can't figure out why...) where as the tradition in techno is something completely different. It has UR, Detroit, slum parties in Berlin and all that business... so the two genres don't mix in that respect either.

Third, a percentage of techno jocks tend to be tightwads that have revile anything besides from techno. This minority tends to be quite vocal though... so it could seem that the techno community rejects the moniker 'prog tech' while in fact its just that small percentage is making a lot of negative noise ... where as the majority is down wit' it.

my 2 cents
Rob

 

[Tech_Head_Rob]

have come to revile anything besides from techno

 

[DJAlchemy]

The Joel Mull I'm referring to is his new EP 'Episodes of Intense Meaning." It is techno for the most part, but has one proggy track on the flip side. Good shit.

Peace & love. D

 

[tEkKiD]

one track that sounds "prog" and all of a sudden he is a progressive producer?


is this track on INSIDE??


my ears will have to clarify your gesture before i comment more.


peace.

 

[tEkKiD]

nevermind.

i realise i own this ep.


and sorry i hear NO FUCKING PROGRESSIVE nonsence on it.



nice try, but hardly.


what track ?

theta activity..


during sleep..

4 to 7 Hz..

or

Amygdala ???


prog ...? nope.



peace.

 

[Adam Duke]

sorry, Tekkid.

...I totally agree with Derek here. Joel Mull is probably a great example of what this 'prog techno' stuff is trying to get at. Peter Benisch, who works with Joel, also has that kind of a bent. Mind you, I'd simply prefer to call it techno.

..And when was the last time you went out to hear progressive anyways? How would you know, you techno nazi?

Anyways, I totally dig joel mull's new stuff...but I'm still not fully convinced on a lot of prog-tech so far.

@m.

 

[DJAlchemy]

I don't have a the EP with me, but its the second track on one of the sides.. its pretty chill, has a bassline and a looped melody. Just because its not cave music doesn't mean it not proggy.

I've also got some proggy remixes of "The Mole" on PrimeEvil.

Peace & love. D

 

[Adam Duke]

hmm....i'm betting I have those same remixes Derek, and i don't think they'd classify as prog (not to mention that they're 3 years old). Definitely club techno however...

great tracks!


@m.

 

[eco.R1]

bah! this thread is getting long......go check out the SUPERBRA label for some quality PROGRESSIVE TECHNO. not every track on this label is progressive techno, but some of it certainly is.

craig

ps. tekkid, where's the love?!

 

[LadyLinzee]

To Clasify or not to Clasify!!!!

Why does everyone feel the need to classify music?? If you enjoy listening to a track ... choose to buy a track .... mix a track ... or doing whatever you do to a certain track, with a certain track(please do not eloborate) then why does it matter!

I think some of the best DJs around are the ones that cross all the genre barriers! Mix up the music, give it a little bit of variation! If a track is quality ... then I play it .. I find some way to put it into my set cause i'm sure there is someone else out there that thinks so!

Dare to be different ... never classify ... always explore!

Linzee xx