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pot laws going up in smoke...

dvs

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thank harper y'all!

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Pot law about to go up in smoke
Apr. 3, 2006. 09:22 PM
FROM THE N.Y. TIMES


Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced Monday that he was scrapping draft legislation to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana, a measure that had been strongly criticized by the United States.

The move was not unexpected, because Harper's Conservative party had opposed the measure. But it was symbolically important coming only days after Harper's first meeting as prime minister with President George W. Bush at a summit meeting in Mexico.

Harper announced the move during a speech to the Canadian Professional Police Association in which he pledged to toughen sentences for drug and gun crimes, tighten parole rules, strengthen controls on child pornography and expand the national databank of DNA samples for convicted criminals.

"We are going to hold criminals to account," said Harper, who was elected in January. "If you do a serious crime, you're going to do serious time.''

The former Liberal government had drafted the legislation, which would have made possession of less than 15 grams of marijuana a minor offence punishable by fines of between $100 and $400. Those found with small amounts would no longer have had a criminal record.

Several American officials had warned that the legislation would force the United States to increase its inspections at the border and thereby risk creating more delays for trade and tourists. It was also viewed by American officials as a harmful symbol when the Canadian marijuana industry, which is estimated to generate as much as $8.5 billion annually, is spreading across the country and exporting widely in the United States.

The legislation was also opposed by local Canadian police departments.

The proposed law, drafted three years ago, was never brought to a vote. But it remained an irritant in relations between Canada and the United States, especially as the Canadian police have made fewer and fewer arrests for marijuana possession in recent years.

The three opposition parties are not expected to try to resuscitate the legislation, although together they control a majority in the House of Commons.

The Toronto Star reported Monday that local police officers around the metropolitan Toronto area had taken their cue from the new Harper government and had begun cracking down on possession of marijuana in recent weeks.

Harper's emphasis on reducing crime is part of a broader pattern to emphasize policies that are not likely to bring much opposition, like fighting government corruption, cutting the national sales tax and reducing waiting time for health care.

Because the opposition parties, all to the left of his Conservatives, have the power to bring down the government if they unite against him, Harper apparently is treading carefully not to antagonize them.

The most contentious issue in the new Parliament is child-care policy. The Conservatives prefer granting direct allowances to families with small children while the opposition prefers the establishment of a national child-care program.
 

swilly

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fucking stephen harper.

FUCK YOU CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I dont even smoke and i am upset.

swilly
 
SweatyNuts said:
upset? this is a good thing, no?
Sure. Harper is just supporting the wasteful and bloated bureaucracy that is currently costing tax payers millions in a losing war against drugs.

Keep those bureaucrats in their jobs, make sure that people that have small amounts of pot are treated like the rapists, murderers, burglars and other criminals that they are.

Typical Republican tactic - make it seem like you're doing society a great deal of good by taking a "tough on crime" stance.
 
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~atp~

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I just detest with a vehemence that cannot be described with words, how policy decisions are based on ideological alignments (ideology could be partisan, political, religious, philosophical, fucking mystical, etc).
 
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MissBlu

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Kinda new this was going to happen when Harper was put into a Prime Minister position... Unfortunate.
Lets waste tax payer money, lets waste police, court, and peoples time over a little bit of bud. Silly really.
 
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kmac

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I should add that while I'm not down with crime, things get sketchy when they are called "serious offences." Gun possession is different from carrying a concealed weapon, etc.

LETS BUILD MORE JAILS!
 

Spinsah

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Boss Hog said:
I can't wait for the next election.
I certainly can, not because I want the Harper reign to go on for a long time, but because if the Liberals get trigger happy and try to bring down the house over child-care then the majority of Canadian voters will only vote out of anger at being back at the polls and then we'll have a Conservative majority and crumbling social infrastructure.
 

TrIbAlNuT

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kmac said:
I should add that while I'm not down with crime, things get sketchy when they are called "serious offences." Gun possession is different from carrying a concealed weapon, etc.

LETS BUILD MORE JAILS!
I would call both of those "serious offences", carrying a gun or a hidden knife is a different thing, but if someone is carrying a knife for the intent of causing harm it should be dealt with accordingly.

Im sort of a pot-head myself, I live in beaches and its kind of compulsory there. I think its messed up that some kids get a criminal record for getting caught with a dime of weed. For some reason I think that the $500 ticket for simple possession would be a pretty big deterrent against smoking in public.


Kristof
 

kyfe

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does this mean I will go to jail? when you think about the pro's and con's to pot from a societal standpoint it makes no sense to criminalize pot aside from the argument that it's a gateway drug to harder types of drugs (which ironically the US and their president have supported in the past) specifically coke.

Now with the USA having control of Afganistan I expect Opium and Heroin to begin to show prevalence in North America again, a USA drug company already created and successfully brought to market OxyContin which is a manmade heroin which has already taken many lives across Canada and the USA.

I feel sad knowing my cousin died for something industry created and feels the pro's outweigh the con's, yet nobody has died from pot use and it's a natural plant grown in our own environment but since industry has yet to find a way to make money off it it is still illegal even though it is much less harmful than other drugs brought to market.

yet we focus our attention to pot...
 
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quantumize

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mingster said:
meh. this sucks mostly for medical marijuana patients.

and for the hundreds of people involved in the tedious prrosecution of so many marihuana cases, while they could be doing much more important things with their time... like violent crimes, etc....
 

Boss Hog

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Spinsah said:
I certainly can, not because I want the Harper reign to go on for a long time, but because if the Liberals get trigger happy and try to bring down the house over child-care then the majority of Canadian voters will only vote out of anger at being back at the polls and then we'll have a Conservative majority and crumbling social infrastructure.

Good points, but I guess an election any time soon isn't the best idea until the libs get their shit together. Not like I'm voting for them anyway.
 

soulbrother 10

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Speculation is that Harper's anti-pot stance is calculated to appease the Bushites. So the hypocrisy, dishonesty and stupidity of the criminialization of marijuana will continue to bring disrepute to government and the criminal justice system.

However from the government's point to view, it is useful to have 'bad guys', or enemies to wage war against to make themselves look like 'good guys', and to justify the power of the state and violation of civil rights. We're talking scapegoating - the policy of mobilizing support through fear and hatred of a certain group. Currently grow ops are the enemy - very bad guys who must be stamped out, along with the millions of pot consumers who are by also criminals by definition.

We can only hope that this policy of cynical expediency will backfire in Harper's fat face;.
 

Vincent Vega

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soulbrother 10 said:
Speculation is that Harper's anti-pot stance is calculated to appease the Bushites.
Conservatives in this country have long opposed any move to decriminalize marijuana. Well before Dubya. Not everything is traceable to Bush ya know....
 
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