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Pope on the ropes

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by alexd, Mar 27, 2010.

  1. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

    Pope 'led cover-up of child abuse by priests'

    Last updated at 23:22pm on 30.09.06 London Evening Standard

    The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight.

    In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

    The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

    The Panorama special, Sex Crimes And The Vatican, investigates the details of this little-known document for the first time. The programme also accuses the Catholic Church of knowingly harboring pedophile clergymen. It reveals that priests accused of child abuse are generally not struck off or arrested but simply moved to another parish, often to re-offend. It gives examples of hush funds being used to silence the victims.

    Before being elected as Pope Benedict XVI in April last year, the pontiff was Cardinal Thomas Ratzinger who had, for 24 years, been the head of the powerful Congregation of the Doctrine of The Faith, the department of the Roman Catholic Church charged with promoting Catholic teachings on morals and matters of faith. An arch-Conservative, he was regarded as the 'enforcer' of Pope John Paul II in cracking down on liberal challenges to traditional Catholic teachings.

    Five years ago he sent out an updated version of the notorious 1962 Vatican document Crimen Sollicitationis - Latin for The Crime of Solicitation - which laid down the Vatican's strict instructions on covering up sexual scandal. It was regarded as so secret that it came with instructions that bishops had to keep it locked in a safe at all times.

    Cardinal Ratzinger reinforced the strict cover-up policy by introducing a new principle: that the Vatican must have what it calls Exclusive Competence. In other words, he commanded that all child abuse allegations should be dealt with direct by Rome.

    Patrick Wall, a former Vatican-approved enforcer of the Crimen Sollicitationis in America, tells the programme: "I found out I wasn't working for a holy institution, but an institution that was wholly concentrated on protecting itself."

    And Father Tom Doyle, a Vatican lawyer until he was sacked for criticizing the church's handling of child abuse claims, says: "What you have here is an explicit written policy to cover up cases of child sexual abuse by the clergy and to punish those who would call attention to these crimes by the churchmen.

    "When abusive priests are discovered, the response has been not to investigate and prosecute but to move them from one place to another. So there's total disregard for the victims and for the fact that you are going to have a whole new crop of victims in the next place. This is happening all over the world."

    The investigation could not come at a worse time for Pope Benedict, who is desperately trying to mend the Church's relations with the Muslim world after a speech in which he quoted a 14th Century Byzantine emperor who said that Islam was spread by holy war and had brought only evil to the world.

    The Panorama programme is presented by Colm O'Gorman, who was raped by a priest when he was 14. He said: "What gets me is that it's the same story every time and every place. Bishops appoint priests who they know have abused children in the past to new parishes and new communities and more abuse happens."

    Last night Eileen Shearer, director of the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children and Vulnerable Adults said: "The Catholic Church in England and Wales (has) established a single set of national policies and procedures for child protection work. We are making excellent progress in protecting children and preventing abuse."

    Panorama: Sex Crimes And The Vatican is on BBC1 tonight at 10.15pm.
  2. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    put those charged with crimes on trial.

    or, kill 'em all (and their accessories), and let god sort 'em out.
  3. glych t.anomaly

    glych t.anomaly TRIBE Member

    absolutely disgusting, but hardly surprising.

    this shit has needed to be dealt with for a long long time.

  4. ndrwrld

    ndrwrld TRIBE Member

  5. green_souljah

    green_souljah TRIBE Member

    Catholic priest and jewish rabbi sitting on a bench.

    Ten year old boy walks by.

    Catholic Priest: "Lets Fuck 'em!"

    Rabbi "Out of what?"
  6. basilisk

    basilisk TRIBE Member

    If you're interested in the subject you might also want to check out the documentary Deliver Us From Evil (2006):
    Deliver Us from Evil (2006)
  7. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    I really wonder if we will see, in our lifetimes, the reunification of the Christian churches - but with the Catholics as underdogs - and the primary condition being the renunciation of celibacy and the recognition of homosexuality as 'normal' ? This is actually becoming possible.
  8. Bernnie Federko

    Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member

    Where? Canada? The US? South America?
  9. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    I mean worldwide - not now, not soon but eventually; the Christian faith has a lot of problems - given the across-the-board issues that seem to stem from each arm's 'unique' qualities... Eventually it may be necessary to reunify just to maintain numbers.
  10. basilisk

    basilisk TRIBE Member

    Eventually it may be necessary to get rid of all that superstitious fluff and corruption altogether.
  11. alexd

    alexd Administrator Staff Member

    Pope, in Sermon, Says He Won’t Be Intimidated

    VATICAN CITY (Reuters) — Pope Benedict, facing one of the gravest crises of his pontificate as a sexual abuse scandal sweeps the Church, indicated on Sunday that his faith would give him the courage not to be intimidated by critics.

    The 82-year-old pontiff led tens of thousands of people in a sunny St. Peter’s Square in a Palm Sunday service at the start of Holy Week events commemorating the last days in the life of Jesus.

    While he did not directly mention the scandal involving sexual abuse of children by priests, parts of his sermon could be applicable to the crisis.

    The pontiff said faith in God helps lead one “towards the courage of not allowing oneself to be intimidated by the petty gossip of dominant opinion.”

    He also spoke of how man can sometimes “fall to the lowest, vulgar levels” and “sink into the swamp of sin and dishonesty.”

    One prayer asked God to help “the young and those who work to educate and protect them,” which Vatican Radio said was intended to “sum up the feelings of the Church at this difficult time when it confronts the plague of pedophilia.”

    As the scandal has convulsed the Church, the Vatican has gone on the offensive, attacking the media for what it called an “ignoble attempt” to smear Pope Benedict and his top advisers.

    On Saturday, the Vatican’s chief spokesman acknowledged that the Church’s response to cases of sexual abuse by priests was crucial to its credibility and it must “acknowledge and make amends for” even decades-old cases.

    “The nature of this issue is bound to attract media attention and the way the Church responds is crucial for its moral credibility,” the Vatican’s chief spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi, said on Vatican Radio.

    Although the cases cited happened long ago, “even decades ago, acknowledging them and making amends to the victims is the price for re-establishing justice and looking to the future with renewed vigor, humility and confidence,” Father Lombardi said.

    Sunday marked the start of a hectic week during which the Pope presides over seven major events leading up to Easter.

    But while Catholics commemorate Christ’s passion, the 1.1 billion member Church is reeling from media reports on abuse that have led to the pope’s doorstep.

    The Vatican has denied any cover-up in the abuse of 200 deaf boys in the United States by the Reverend Lawrence Murphy from the 1950s to the 1960s, after reports that he was not defrocked although the case was made known to the Vatican and to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then the Church’s top doctrinal official, now Pope Benedict.

    The Vatican also said that the pope, while archbishop of Munich in 1980, was not involved in the decision by a subordinate to allow a priest who had been transferred there to undergo therapy for sexual abuse to return later to pastoral duties.

    The European epicenter of the scandal is Ireland, where two bishops have resigned over their handling of abuse cases years ago. Three others have offered their resignation and there have been calls for the head of the Irish Church, Cardinal Sean Brady, to step down.
  12. green_souljah

    green_souljah TRIBE Member

    My mom is an anglican, they have been battling about the whole gay thing for decades now with still no end in sight. Ridiculous.

    I guess the typical demograph of any church tends to be the old grey hairs who are the last to want any form of social change, think of the children!

    First the gheys can get married, then your telling me those Negroes will be allowed to play baseball with the white folk...where does it end.....
  13. Mr. Magyar

    Mr. Magyar TRIBE Member

    Guess what? No Abrahamic religion approves of homosexuality.
  14. xsre

    xsre TRIBE Member

    The first article... the London Evening Standard can't even get the Pope's birth name (Joseph, not Thomas Ratzinger) correct. Sigh. British tabloids. Anyway.

    I am so...I don't know...horrified isn't even the word. How can a Church, that purports to follow the teachings of Jesus, be more concerned with it's own image in the face of criminal offenses by its clergy, than with the flock that it serves? Are they counting on the ignorance of the developing world to maintain membership or do they just not give a rat's ass anymore?

    I'm conflicted in my religious views on a personal level, but from a PR perspective, the very best thing the Church could've done YEARS ago would've been to instantly de-frock and ex-communicate, along with appropriate police action, any clergy or members accused of these crimes. As a HUMAN organization, one that is made up of people who sin, shooting first and asking questions later (i.e. "you are accused of abusing children. You are de-frocked and ex-communicated until civil authorities come to some kind of conclusion, after which point you may apply for re-admission if you are found not guilty") would've been the best course of action by far - zero tolerance, and a higher standard than that imposed by criminal justice, is absolutely appropriate to this institution. Panicking and covering up was the wrong road, but a pathological inability to admit fault and sin is what the core issue is here (ironic, obviously, given Jesus' teachings), in terms of how the Church dealt with these crimes dating back decades.

    Knowing (and dating, for a while) a man who was abused as a boy by a priest in St. Thomas, the very man he turned to when his home life began to fall apart, has resulted in utter non-acceptance of anything less than "get 'em out of the Church and hand 'em over to the authorities".

    And, for a centuries-old institution to be so shockingly short-sighted, and behave to utterly contrary to their mission in the word, should be a wake-up call to the flock to demand action, up to and including the removal and ex-communication of the man who now possesses the Fisherman's Ring so undeservedly.
  15. green_souljah

    green_souljah TRIBE Member

    You mean not even in Greece?
  16. KillaLadY

    KillaLadY TRIBE Member

    Welcome to organized religion.
  17. Mr. Magyar

    Mr. Magyar TRIBE Member

    Ummmm ... You may want to look up what an Abrahamic religion is and when Greece became Christian.
  18. loopdokter

    loopdokter TRIBE Promoter

    Pope On A Rope. Is that like the iconic 1980s shower fashion accessory, Soap On A Rope?
  19. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    During the previous Pope's visit to the US in the 1980's some opportunistic hucksters started selling "Pope on a Rope" shower soaps.


    It was unique then but is very common now.
  20. Chris

    Chris Well-Known TRIBEr

  21. basilisk

    basilisk TRIBE Member

    Is there any part of the Bible that demands priests must be celibate? The whole problem extends from unnatural repression of human sexuality. Arrest the sexual development of priests in adolescence and look what they go for...
  22. diablo

    diablo TRIBE Member

    Organization Responsible For Most Suffering in Human History in Covering-Their-Own-Asses Shocker!
  23. Sal De Ban

    Sal De Ban TRIBE Member

    perhaps they should look at priest neutering. my cat is much happier now....
  24. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    "Question: "Does the Bible teach the celibacy of priests?"

    Answer: This is an interesting question to answer, as the Bible does not even teach that there are to be “priests” in the New Covenant established by Christ. Please read our articles on the “priesthood of believers” and “confession of sin to a priest” for more information. The Bible addresses the celibacy of church leaders, but not priests.

    In regards to celibacy of church leaders, in 1 Corinthians chapter 7, the Apostle Paul teaches, “An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs — how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world — how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided” (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). In some instances, celibacy has a positive impact on ministry. If a church leader is free from spousal and familial responsibilities, he can better focus on ministering to others. Jesus mentions some becoming “eunuchs” for the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:12). Celibacy is definitely allowed for church leaders, and to a certain degree, it is encouraged. However, Scripture nowhere requires celibacy for those serving in positions of church leadership.

    In 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, the Apostle Paul seems to assume that elders, bishops, overseers, and deacons will be married. Notice the phrases: “the husband of one wife” (1 Timothy 3:2,12; Titus 1:6), “he must manage his own family well” (1 Timothy 3:4,12), “his children obey him with proper respect” (1 Timothy 3:4; Titus 1:6). On a related issue, please read our article on whether these Scripture mean that a church leader must be married and have children. While these Scriptures are not a requirement for church leaders to be married, they most definitely present an allowance for church leaders to be married. It is therefore anti-biblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders.

    Why, then, does the Roman Catholic Church (and a few other Christian denominations) require celibacy of its church leaders / priests? The celibacy of priests has an interesting history. The first official church statements requiring celibacy appeared at the councils of Elvira (A.D. 306) and Carthage (A.D. 390), although clerical celibacy, to a lesser degree, definitely predated these councils. Ultimately, though, celibacy became the official requirement of the Roman Catholic Church due to the practice of nepotism. Church leaders were giving their children positions in the church, despite a lack of any qualifications or training. Further, church leaders were giving church property to their descendants. As a result, the Roman Catholic Church mandated celibacy in order to keep its priests from having familial attachments which made nepotism attractive.

    Again, the Bible encourages, but does not demand celibacy. In fact, Paul recognizes that most church leader will be married. The Roman Catholic requirement of celibacy is a sad example of the Church taking something that the Bible encourages, and transforming it into a requirement, in order to protect its own interests. Sadder, still, is the damage that has been done as a result of the Roman Catholic Church’s anti-biblical requirement. Men whom God has not gifted or called to be celibate (1 Corinthians 7:7), are being required to be celibate, and the result is tremendous failures in the areas of adultery, fornication, and the sexual abuse of children."
    Does the Bible teach the celibacy of priests?
  25. basketballjones

    basketballjones TRIBE Member

    i fucking hate religion

    my two faves are .."god helps those who help themselves" and "god works in mysterious ways"

    so, god wont help, but he sure fucking will take the credit for it!!

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