Poll: What will the tdot electronic music scene look like this year?

[air-bag]

some optional guidelines:

1. Would would the emphasis be on in terms of events size? (Big raves/club regular nites/small intimate parties..)

2. The most promising genre?

3. The genre that has sustained the hardest blow last year and therefore we would see less of it this year?

4. the most promising crew?

5. General thoughts about the future of the electronic scene in tdot this year?


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I think that breaks would dominate the scene this year, since jungle has really went down for some reason.. also there would be more small parties rather than regular big club nites. Some good big raves have happened (bittersweet, soundclash etc..) and i hope that they would continue to happen.

 

[Trini]

Originally posted by air-bag
I think that breaks would dominate the scene this year, since jungle has really went down for some reason..

I don't think Jungle went sour over the last year.....maybe 7 years ago.

 

[air-bag]

Re: Re: Poll: What will the tdot electronic music scene look like this year?

Originally posted by Trini


I don't think Jungle went sour over the last year.....maybe 7 years ago.

not true. You should have seen Turbo in the begining of last year...it was insane! And there were so many more good parties during the last winter / spring....

but something happened and people gradually stopped coming out and hence every single moderately big jungle nite went out of bizz towards the end of the 2001.

 

[Plato]

music wise
breaks
and an upsurge in electro, thanks to the rising opularity of the nu-techno-lectro sounds

p[l]a+0

 

[Trini]

Re: Re: Re: Poll: What will the tdot electronic music scene look like this year?

Originally posted by air-bag


not true. You should have seen Turbo in the begining of last year...it was insane! And there were so many more good parties during the last winter / spring....

but something happened and people gradually stopped coming out and hence every single moderately big jungle nite went out of bizz towards the end of the 2001.

were you around in 92-95?

IMO that was when Jungle was at its pinnacle in this city.

 

[el presidente Highsteppa]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Poll: What will the tdot electronic music scene look like this year?

Originally posted by Trini


were you around in 92-95?

IMO that was when Jungle was at its pinnacle in this city.

I kinda agree, however I think that it stretched to about 97.

From the Ministry of my take

Prime Minister Highsteppa

 

[vinder]

i think prog will still rule this city for the upcoming year. however, i feel that the progressive breaks will help breaks become bigger, and maybe it will dominate in teh next few years. that and techno.

i still think we'll see more of the same party wise....lots of club nights, a few big parties, lots of small ones.....

 

[Plato]

sponsering at parties
lots more of that. hopefully for the better.

p[l]a+0

 

[SE7EN]

Trini:

that's ridiculous!

in 1995, we were lucky to hit a delerium Friday at some random seafood or sports bar to see Marcus, Medicine Muffin and Shadow aka Prime to get a jungle fix between big events.

and now (if I wanted to mind you) I can see Darren Jay on a Wednesday Night, Kenny Ken on a Thursday, and Mickey Finn on Sunday in a nice club over a period of a month.

I'm not saying that makes this time "better" than times have been. it's just a quantity vs quality thing. no one who was around would argue that the music, events, and the health/strength of the culture was at its best in the 1993-1995 era, but the size of the culture and the popularity of the events was nothing compared to the peak experienced in 1999 when a crowd of 12 000 people at the Better Living Centre wasn't unreasonable (coming to see the likes of dj hype or andy c). when kenny ken killed us at Champion of Champions, there weren't more than 2 500 people in the building, even if it felt like there were 50 000 people partying with us because the "vibe" was so intense.

I agree with air-bag that the scene has reduced in size over the last year, but who didn't expect that and why is that a negative thing? the environment has changed and junglists need to adapt and embrace those changes like they always have. jungle was the last big scene. although some people have been pounding this into to people's heads for a good long time, now is the time to be realistic and go into the clubs for more intimate experiences (like everyone else has over the years), and have a great time at the two or so huge parties/raves we'll get every year. there's never any disrespect in falling back when you are the last one standing.

-7-

 

[noahmintz]

It's all about Acid Polka Jazz this year ... big tings a come

stu

 

[zoo]

you tbk are all crazy

breaks will never be the "big thing"

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as far as ELECTRONIC MUSIC goes, IDM is the hottest thing since slice bread at the moment
aphex twin, boc, plaid, wagon christ, u-ziq, etc

and downbeat / jazzy / brazilian / dub is huge as well .. k&d, fila brazilia, koop, zero 7, lee scratch perry

jungle is going nowhere until producers start making it more accessible .. possibly by making more REAL music with the tempo instead of the_sounds_of_power_tools_volume_12_E.P.

house is kind of making a comeback in the "deep house" sense .. everyone and their brother is releasing cds .. blue six .. naked music .. deep house volume 25 .. even jamiroquai is milking this genre more than ever before

disco house has been buried for quite some time ... dimitri from paris' disco/french thing also sounds like something which might have been good 2 years ago ... "after the playboy mansion"

progressive is staler than trance atm

breaks will never dominate any "scene", except maybe the breaks scene ..

alot of top40 partiers i know are into techno now ... which i find funny

richie hawtin a popstar?

maybe it's the time of techno next?

 

[OTIS]

SE7EN, the jungle scene may be bigger now in size but not at it's peak in quality, I have to agree with Trini that the peak of jungle as far as production, types of crowds and overall vibe was in 92-95 and I know 20 other people that will back me up on this.

It's like saying a secret word-of-mouth Rolling Stones concert back in the day was inferior to a mamoth corporate sponsored designated seating Rolling Stones concert nowadays just because of it's size?

No way.

I agree the numbers nowadays allow the talent to come in more often but that to me just washes down the anticipation for an event because you know that talent will be back in 3-6 months.

 

[Destro Sanchez]

zoo said:

lee scratch perry - downbeat

?!?

mmm... my sources say that he is the epitome of dub/roots reggae alongside kingtubby (yes, dub is very downtempo, but it's still dub)

Richie Hawtin was a pop star years ago
still is..

my pics for 2002:

continued trend of laptop clicky minimal techno...

I hope hard techno can regain some of its credabitliy with me this year....come on techno- I know ya got soul like ErikB and Rakim- now lets get rid of the predictable compressed loops and drums and everything will be back to normal...

the rise of electro (for the umpteenth time..)
kinda a biased opinion
www.dialectro.com

and fall of the 'electroclash/synthpop/nunewwave/synthcore(!)' music (for the umpteenth time again...)

I also predict that whole nu-jazz/deep house trend to slow down but not to a standstill...

can't really comment on jungle/DnB since my only exposure is the odd visit to NASA on thursdays or friends house parties.

thats my 2 pesos
dirty destro sanchez

 

[Stormshadow]

Originally posted by air-bag
since jungle has really went down for some reason

Bullshit.

Originally posted by zoo
jungle is going nowhere until producers start making it more accessible .. possibly by making more REAL music with the tempo instead of the_sounds_of_power_tools_volume_12_E.P.

Bullshit.

Originally posted by OTIS
SE7EN, the jungle scene may be bigger now in size but not at it's peak in quality, I have to agree with Trini that the peak of jungle as far as production

Bullshit.

IMO, the production quality of jungle/dnb is better than it's ever been. It's also the most diverse it's ever been with new production ranging everywhere from ol' school inspired, to housey, to tech, to latin-influenced.
Also IMO, the dnb crowd right now is better than it's been in the past few years...it's becoming a tightly-knit community again.
If anyone was at Bittersweet, they'd know the vibe isn't dead.

 

[OTIS]

I meant Production style not technical quality.
So stop being so typical, remember this is not tdotjungle here.

Jungle was mostly sampler & FX based back then, it gave it a raw rugged feel.

DnB nowadays is produced with a nice studio setup, a sequencer and midi triggered drum machines & synths, it's a cool sound but not one that mirrors anything of the old sound other than BPMs & Breakbeats.

No matter how clean and tight the production of jungle is nowadays, the rugged production style of yester year is what got me into it, I think that's something the DnB of today could not do.

 

[OTIS]

Originally posted by Stormshadow


If anyone was at Bittersweet, they'd know the vibe isn't dead.

I was at bittersweet and was pleasently delighted so certainly the vibe aint dead, but it's different. It certainly aint the same.. and it's certainly not at a peak. Maybe it's all of us that's changed but that is STILL a change.

 

[SE7EN]

OTIS: I'm not sure if you read my post. you basically restated what I said in a way that seemed to imply you disagreed with me. this is impossible, because I agree with everthing you are saying: today quantity rules over quality.

things are different (in that now quantity rules over quality) because 8 or 9 years ago pushing the envelope was what motivated people in electronic music - not the dollar.

-7-

 

[Nebu kad]

what up with IDM these days? I don't understand it. It's been around for so long, but all of a sudden it's like everyone is just discovering it. A good thing nevertheless.

I see lots more small events. We've pretty much seen the demise of the huge party except for the odd one here and there. a good thing if you ask me.

Also, as I have already noticed, the return of the multi-sound party, ie: a techno-centric event with a DnB room. WIcked wicked, if you ask me.

Even though I am a junglist, I would say that it is not going to be huge. But it will be there as always. Will people be digging the gabber style Dnb???? Hard to say...prolly not though.

From my standpoint, DnB took the hardest hit. We've gone from two floors of packed Turbo-ness, to one floor, to no Turbo, to that other brief night, to nothing. A good thing as it makes way for all the good small weeklies: Tempaural, Chase's Up and Down, Milano's....etc.

Most promising crew: www.pirateshipkru.ca

 

[pr0nstar]

Originally posted by OTIS
I meant Production style not technical quality.
So stop being so typical, remember this is not tdotjungle here.

Jungle was mostly sampler & FX based back then, it gave it a raw rugged feel.

DnB nowadays is produced with a nice studio setup, a sequencer and midi triggered drum machines & synths, it's a cool sound but not one that mirrors anything of the old sound other than BPMs & Breakbeats.

No matter how clean and tight the production of jungle is nowadays, the rugged production style of yester year is what got me into it, I think that's something the DnB of today could not do.

Exactly!
That's why I always post, Jungle died in 94 with my Ned Ryder Studio tape

I would listen to Jungle from the early 90s to '95 no problem. But the shit today I would never find myself chilling and listening to at home...

pr0nstar

 

[pr0nstar]

Oh yeah, getting back to the original question...

I think fair sized parties are the years flavour.. 800-2000 people.
I think Techno/Tech House/Electro/Ghetto Tech is going to take over
I think there are going to be companies coming and going... like usual.
And the scene is what it's always been... up and down.

pr0nstar

 

[Stormshadow]

Originally posted by pr0nstar

That's why I always post, Jungle died in 94 with my Ned Ryder Studio tape

Jungle might be dead...but drum n' bass thrives.

OTIS, sorry for all the dismissive "bullshits" in my post...I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. Also didn't know you were talking about production style, just assumed quality of the music.

 

[kprior]

I think that it is all about the small intimate club, and the occasional, well organized party.
I think the next best thing is the progressive nu school breakbeat, it is getting huge.....
I think alot of small companies ie, (Backbreakers) are going to run things.
I think that jungle has indeed taken a blow, but also tech house.

kp

 

[slar]

Disco is dead.

Whoops, did I say disco? Whatever... insert your genre here... because this scene is over.

Learn from the past.

 

[mingster]

Originally posted by slar
Disco is dead.

Whoops, did I say disco? Whatever... insert your genre here... because this scene is over.

Learn from the past.

What the hell are you doing here then?
Or any of us for that matter....?

 

[mingster]

PS- I'm kidding. I love you.