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Police raid Michael Moore book siging in San Diego

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by Subsonic Chronic, Mar 12, 2002.

  1. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    Dear Friends,

    It's a few minutes before midnight, on Friday night on 3/8/2002. I'm in San Diego, and I have just escaped being arrested by the San Diego police. This book tour keeps getting more surreal, but the last hour has been unlike anything I have yet seen.

    I have come to San Diego to speak at an event organized for my book ("Stupid White Men"). The event is being held at a middle school in an auditorium that seats about 800 people. I have spent the week in California, pretty much at my own expense. Weeks ago, the publisher informed me that they would not be sending me to this state if they had to pay to get me there.

    So I called up my friends at "Politically Incorrect" and asked if they could book me on the show and bring me out there. They were more than happy to help out. I can't believe the crap this show has had to endure because its host one night, early on in "America's NEW War" had the guts to state the truth as he saw
    it. Now advertisers have dropped like flies, affiliates in DC, Columbus, and other cities have canceled the program, and ABC seems eager to deep-six the whole hour it shares with "Nightline." But, for now, they have come to my aid, and I am grateful.

    In the past six days, I have spoken to 15 separate mobs of people. I don't know what other word to use because, quite simply, wherever I go, there is this unbelievable pandemonium. Every day, every night, hundreds -- or thousands -- jam themselves into halls, arenas, churches, auditoriums to listen to me talk about my book and whatever else is struggling to make its way through my brain.
    Forget about standing room only -- these venues look more like breathing room only. A clever fire marshal could have made a small fortune tailing me across this state. As I look out at the crowds of humans doing their best to impersonate sardines, I worry not that some deranged person may shout "Fire!" but rather that someone may belt out, "There's an extra six inches over here by the radiator!"

    I have visited the most out-of-the-way places in California and, no matter where I go or how right-wing the congressman is that represents their district, all sorts of people are desperate to get inside to be with the thousands of others who want to be part of "United We Stand Against the Thief-in-Chief." Grass Valley, Hayward, San Francisco, Santa Rosa, Ukiah, Arcata, Berkeley, Westwood, East L.A., Koreatown (L.A.) -- I wish all of you could see what I have seen. In every town, at every stop, huge throngs of Americans who are sick and tired of the silence that has been demanded of them, lest they be thought of as "unpatriotic" should they dare to question the actions of George W. Bush and company. That's what this tour is all about. It's time to come out and start acting like Americans again.

    And then there was San Diego.

    Over a thousand people are packed inside the 800-seat auditorium. Outside, another thousand people are on the lawn trying to get in. The traffic on the street is tied up and the stream of San Diegoans keeps filing up the sidewalk. I tell the organizers that I am going to spend a half-hour outside here speaking to the people who cannot get in. They are, after all, like me -- slackers who are habitually late. The crowd outdoors is wired and jazzed that they are being honored for being tardy.

    Then I go inside, give my usual talk, and begin to sign books. There's a 90-year-old lady whose granddaughter has driven her down from Orange County. There's a union organizer from the antiunion San Diego Union-Tribune newspaper who announces that his grandfather was a sit-down striker with my uncle back in
    1937 in Flint. Some punk-poet kid tries to finish me off for good by offering me two Krispy Kreme donuts. Hundreds line up to have their books, their "Awful Truth" DVDs and, in one case, an Iron Maiden jean jacket, signed. I am told that we are getting close to the time when we will have to leave the school, as it has only been rented until 11pm. That is not good. Hundreds are still in line. I don't think any of these signings this week have been over before midnight.

    Somewhere around 11:30pm, I hear a commotion at the back of the auditorium. I see people start to scatter. The San Diego police are coming down the aisle, their large flashlights out (the auditorium lights are still on, so we all understand the implied "other" use of these instruments). The police are telling

    The cops approach the stage where I am signing the books. People are visibly frightened -- and about half the book-line bolts toward the doors. I stand up and speak to the officers. "I am the author of this book," I tell them politely.
    "These people are only here to get a book and all I am doing is signing them. We will be done shortly."

    "I don't care who you are," they reply. "We have received a call from the school district and we have been told to remove you. You were supposed to be out of here at 11:00pm." We had apparently violated our curfew.

    "C'mon guys, you can't be serious," I said. "Are you saying that you are going to arrest me for signing people's books, and arrest the people who are here because they want to read this book?"

    "I don't care what you are doing -- this is your last warning. I am ready to arrest you and everyone else."

    "Who is your superior?" I ask.

    "I'm it. Only the Chief is above me at night, and I am not going to wake him up. This has already gone through many channels. We are here because this has already gone through many people in the last half-hour, people in authority, and the decision has been made to clear you out of here or arrest you."

    I have never been arrested, strange as that may seem. I could not believe that, of all I have done, all I have stood for over the years, that it has come down to this -- and I was about to be hauled away for autographing books!

    "OK," I said. "We'll leave." I then mumbled something about the last time I checked, this was still the United States of America -- even if we were just five miles away from where it ends. They escorted me and the few remaining souls out of the building. The brave lady who was the owner of the independent bookstore and who was there selling my book, leaned over and whispered to me, "I am willing to go to jail for this if you want me to." Ya gotta hand it to the independent bookstores -- they've been through hell lately, so much so that they are now ready to be led away in handcuffs!

    I walked outside and about 40 people ask me if I would still sign their books in the dark of the parking lot. A girl gets out her pocket flashlight. A guy runs over and turns on his headlights. I remark that it feels like we're in some sort of banana republic or East Berlin, secretly meeting so we can have our little book gathering. "Sign quick, Mike, here come the police!"

    I finish the last book and hop in my sister's car. She remembers to give me a plaque that had been presented to me in abstentia (while I was outside talking to the people who couldn't get in). It was from the city councilwoman from the area of San Diego we were in. It read "Official Proclamation: City of San Diego
    Declares -- March 9, 2002, 'Michael Moore Day.'"

    "Maybe we should have shown this to the cops, " she says. We drive to her house where I catch four hours sleep before I get up and head for Denver.


    Michael Moore
  2. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    The attempt to criminalize political dissent just keeps on rollin'...

  3. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I'm fairly sure that the orders to send in police was a city one on behalf of the school's request, and nothing more than that.

    The upper powers of the US government, despite MM being a constant thorn in their side, don't take him as seriously as they should.

    Noam Chomsky is a better writer/speaker, but Mike Moore seems to connect better with the common person. Both interesting revolutionaries however...
  4. *SiLver*RoBoT*

    *SiLver*RoBoT* TRIBE Member

    Michael Moore is so fun to watch. Going to have to pull out his books again to give it another read and pull out TV Nation - that was some damn funny shit.


  5. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    i gotta get my hands on this book!!!!

    ....is what people will say now that they hear about the police incident.

    still, i'd really like to read it.
  6. *SiLver*RoBoT*

    *SiLver*RoBoT* TRIBE Member

  7. *SiLver*RoBoT*

    *SiLver*RoBoT* TRIBE Member

  8. DJ.CODE

    DJ.CODE TRIBE Member

    Wow, this book has been getting alot of controversy!
  9. feisty boy

    feisty boy TRIBE Member

  10. kyfe

    kyfe TRIBE Member

    They should fear Michael Moore, the guys got a stranglehold on the people's ear, they listen as he speaks! The man makes sense he presents his points in the simplest & most logical form. Him busting the CEO of Nike is classic, we should all take this kind of awareness with whats going on with our government, economics, business & the world in general.... Companies control Government, Government controls media, and media protects the government.... possibly even more so than during the world wars.....

    It's a shame we have to live like this, hopefully the uprising will come.....

  11. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    I applaud Mr. Moore and all his effort throughout the years..
    he's one of he few lefties that avoid the spouting of idealisms and rhetoric and actually works to create activism that makes sense, that reinforces a point.

    I'd love to go hear him speak.
  12. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    His book tour is supposed to have at least one Toronto date but it's in the future sometime.

  13. AdRiaN

    AdRiaN TRIBE Member

    Michael Moore

    This kind of story always amuses me. Michael Moore prides himself on being a shit-disturber, but then he whines about being persecuted by the very people whose shit is being disturbed.

    Seriously, if you're one of these "everything is wrong with America" type of people, DO NOT expect leniency when you occupy an auditorium for 30 minutes longer than allowed. Do not expect leniency from the police when they ask you to leave.

    Michael Moore complains that mainstream media will not provide him a platform to deliver his message ... yet his message centres around bashing mainstream media. Duh! Let's face it ... Mr. Moore absolutely LOVES to be persecuted. He needs incidents like this one to show people that he's a shit-disturber, otherwise he's just another over-weight, struggling author.
  14. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    I think it's more that this latest incident is simply proving the points he's trying to make in his book about the stiffling of dissent in the U.S.A.

    Oh I'm sure that an incident like this only helps him by giving him more publicity, but it's almost showing how right he is more than anything else.

    Furthermore, the law applies to all citizens equally (or at least theoretically ;)). Criticism of the government shouldn't earn someone a heavier hand of justice. You would be hard pressed to find other incidents of police quads rushing in and threatening arrest because a book signing went over schedule.

  15. ThePlunger

    ThePlunger TRIBE Member

    Did you pick up the book yet Pete???

    I'm finished mine.

  16. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Keep your ear to the ground then Pete, and when he comes down.. i'm soo there...
  17. AdRiaN

    AdRiaN TRIBE Member


    I bet the police would have rushed through the door 1 second after 11:00pm if this event had been an album signing for "COP KILLER".

    Remember, the school board and police are completely within their rights. They are just not being as lenient as they normally would about the time constraint. Think about it ... if you get pulled over for speeding, the cop is totally entitled to write you a ticket. That's the law. In many cases, being cooperative and remorseful might just get you a warning. Otherwise, being a whiner will eliminate any chance of leniency.
  18. LoopeD

    LoopeD TRIBE Member

    So the government called up the local police force and told them to mobilize, there's a dissenter on the loose?

    If it was the government suppressing stuff, wouldn't they have sent the FBI or CIA?

    Highly improbable - if someone, i.e. the school board calls the cops and asks them to break it up, then the cops will come, no matter if you're Charles Manson or Mr.Rogers...............


  19. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    Re: Justice

    But the laws were not created to be used arbitrarily when police decide whether they dislike someone.

    The problem witha lot of "laws" is that they're set up in such a fashion that the police won't enforce them on a regular basis, but will use them when they want to harrass someone and don't have anything else that they can use. How is that right?

    Political dissent should not earn you a spot on some police blacklist where they're harrassing you for minor offenses, but that's what appears to have happened at least in San Diego with Michael Moore.

  20. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    That's Kenny Rogers to you...


    My actions are love.
  21. LoopeD

    LoopeD TRIBE Member

    No, man, when you're this big they call you Mister:


    Chronic, doesn't sound like he really got in that much shit, they just told him to vacate the premises. Where do you get blacklisted from? As usual, you're being melodramatic - so is Michael Moore..........

  22. LoopeD

    LoopeD TRIBE Member

    On a side note, it appears the wave of popularity Bush has enjoyed since Sept.11 is beginning to fade. Many say America suppresses stuff when it comes to slandering the presidency, but I've read tons of articles carving the President, and they all came from American news sources. Can't find the one I read yesterday, but it was pretty inflammatory against the presidency and the immature antics of the leader of the free world, citing campaign jokes and the now infamous "Stevie Wonder wave" - maybe Americans aren't that dumb after all and this idiot won't get re-elected.

    See, I do agree with you lefties that Bush is an idiot; its just all your other claims I have to dispute!;)

  23. Pyrovitae

    Pyrovitae TRIBE Member

    wow, you never let anything die, do you?
  24. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    To me, Noam uses a very basic vocabulary to illustrate his thoughts and philosophies. He speaks with a lot of confidence (sometimes he's a little boring) but it's never jargon. But I find that one problem he has is the absence of concrete, tangible examples for people to relate to. I mean, one can say "tv is bad, iv is bad!" but I think one needs to give some evidence of that statement.

    But Michael Moore is more of a do-er.

    Has anyone seen TV Nation by Michael Moore? I love when he does the "Love Night" segments. I just saw a couple where his Gay Men's Chorus sings love songs to Jesse Helms (US resident homophobe) at his office and his home.

    Then they got women to plant flowers of love on the property of one of America's notorious Pro-live activists.

    And the Love Night Cheerleaders at the Aryan Society in buttfuck nowhere were HILARIOUS. I thought those guys were gonna skin the black cheerleaders alive.
  25. MoFo

    MoFo TRIBE Member

    I want to have a TV Nation night now.
    I can get a tape with a censored episode about the "God Hates Fags"

    Interviewer: "Little boy, what's a homosexual?"
    Little kid: "Um... it's when two men or women... copulate... *giggle*"

    Michael Moore reminds us that America is not as evolved as it puts itself out to be.

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