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Pedophile's sentence too HARSH???

Silvershadow

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/cbc/s/31052006/3/canada-pedophile-s-sentence-harsh-judge-rules.html

Pedophile's sentence too harsh, judge rules
44 minutes ago


A Quebec judge on Tuesday reduced the sentence of a Montreal man who raped his infant daughter, saying the original ruling was too harsh.

The 32 year old was found guilty in March 2005 of sexual assault and using his daughter to possess, produce and distribute child pornography. The assaults started when his daughter was 24 months old and lasted for two years.

The man was originally sentenced to 15 years in prison.

But in its 2-1 decision earlier this week, the Quebec Court of Appeal ruled the assaults were not among the worst sexual assaults committed and the man shouldn't have received the maximum sentence.

The court reduced his sentence to nine years in prison.

"There was no violence, such as gagging, threatening or hitting the child," wrote Judge Lise Cote.

Cote cited the father of four's young age and lack of criminal record - other than the sexual assault of another child when he was 17 - in the ruling.

The prosecution's case was based on roughly 5,000 pictures and 5,000 videos found on the man's computer, some featuring very young children.

W...T...F!
 
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smokeyeyes

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pedophilia and child abuse and how much it disturbs me has taken on a whole new level in the last 15 months.

no sentence can ever be long enough to make amends for the damage done to a child.
 
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basketballjones

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why is it too harsh, he has ruined a childs life, i hope they put him in gen pop with a target on his ass and lipstick tatoo'd to his lips and a long blonde wig grafted to his fuckin skull
 
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MissBlu

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Too harsh, no fuckin way.

Maybe they put him in segregation, even criminals dont like the scum of the earth.
 

SellyCat

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story said:
Cote cited the father of four's young age and lack of criminal record - other than the sexual assault of another child when he was 17 - in the ruling.

This type of story stresses me out like you have no idea. Some pople just cannot POSSIBLY imagine the affect that this can have on the rest of a person's life. It's with them forever! The fact that she has no conscious memory is totally irrelavent. Trauma comes from what the nervous system is exposed to and how it is conditioned to respond. At such a young age, having that kind of fear and brutality stamped onto its nervous system can mean that the person will develop far more slowly and poorly than otherwise possible. In short, this person has permanently affected this tiny human being's future.

And he obviously has a predisposition to this behavior. In a civilised society, he would neutered. I'm aware of the seeming irony of this statement, but those judges have commited a crime as unspeakable as the one committed by the perpetrator. He will be able to go out and do this again.

In cases like these, I fully support vigilanteeism. The legal system tries to drain emotionality out of everything and reduce affairs to their most hyper-rational components. That is absolutely not acceptable in cases involving helpless children.

They should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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TrIbAlNuT

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WTF is wrong with these shit judges, not just in this case but everywhere. It’s like they’ve seen so much in the court room that they have lost touch with reality and have become desensitized to this kind of horrible acts.
 

Caz

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Silvershadow said:
Cote cited the father of four's young age and lack of criminal record - other than the sexual assault of another child when he was 17 - in the ruling.

oh yeah, there's that



WHAT THE FUCK
 
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basketballjones

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TrIbAlNuT said:
WTF is wrong with these shit judges, not just in this case but everywhere. It’s like they’ve seen so much in the court room that they have lost touch with reality and have become desensitized to this kind of horrible acts.
agreed
it seems like they are afraid of actually punishing anyone for doing anything, then want to blame it on everything but the fuckin criminal
 

judge wopner

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unfortunately we cant have our cake and eat it too,
we cant create a justice system that stresses rehabilitaiton and correction yet impose lenghtly sentences on child molestors ignoring the principles that all other charges are to embody.

it would be easy to say child molestors get extra jail time becuase the seriousness of their crime, but what about murderes, are we goig to increase the sentences on those as well?

its tough to zero in on one area and decree it so bad that people should simply rot in jail while all others get the benefit of a system that as its mandate preaches rehabilitation. life in jail is only 25 years for that very reason in canada.

its a tricky issue, adn an emotional one at that. when a teen kills another with a gun, people dont seem as quick to say he should rot in jail forever, alot of folks bring up the socialization and background to temper the demands for life in prision, even though molestation and death have equally horrific effects on families.
 
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Crazlegs

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I don't think that's harsh at all! To me, people who prey on children, especially their own deserve to live out their life away from all of society. That child was raped at 22 months old for God's sake! Her life is never going to be normal! And for that, her father will only serve nine years!? Gotta love the justice system sometimes ..... way to deter people.
 

supakeli

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I just barfed.

Not only would i love to do brutally violent things to this monster who preys on children, but the judge could use a set of beats too.

His own 2 year old daughter!
I can't express how much this disgusts and disturbs me.
*shudder*
 
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SellyCat

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judge wopner said:
unfortunately we cant have our cake and eat it too,
we cant create a justice system that stresses rehabilitaiton and correction yet impose lenghtly sentences on child molestors ignoring the principles that all other charghes are to embody.

it would be easy to say child molestors get extra jail time becuase the seriousness of their crime, but what about murderes, adult-rape cases, kidnapping and the like, are we goig to increase the sentences on those as well?

its tough to zero in on one area and decree it so bad that peopel should rot in jail while others get the benefit of a system that as its mandate preaches rehabilitation. life in jail is only 25 years for that very reason in canada.

its a tricky issue, adn an emotional one at that.

I'm fairly certain these people cannot be rehabilitated!!!!!

Let's hug them and help them molest their OWN inner child. Fucking hell.
 

basketballjones

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judge wopner said:
unfortunately we cant have our cake and eat it too,
we cant create a justice system that stresses rehabilitaiton and correction yet impose lenghtly sentences on child molestors ignoring the principles that all other charges are to embody.

it would be easy to say child molestors get extra jail time becuase the seriousness of their crime, but what about murderes, are we goig to increase the sentences on those as well?

its tough to zero in on one area and decree it so bad that people should simply rot in jail while all others get the benefit of a system that as its mandate preaches rehabilitation. life in jail is only 25 years for that very reason in canada.

its a tricky issue, adn an emotional one at that. when a teen kills another with a gun, people dont seem as quick to say he should rot in jail forever, alot of folks bring up the socialization and background to temper the demands for life in prision, even though molestation and death have equally horrific effects on families.

the dude is a repeat offender, obviously hugging him and giving him a college degree isnt a strong enough deterrent
now if it is a crack head who is stealing food or something then yes rehabilitation might work
 
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ScottBentley

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hopefully other prisoners will hear about this and give him a death sentence...there are very few people that i would wish death upon and pedophiles are at the very top of the list!!!
 

judge wopner

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SellyCat said:
I'm fairly certain these people cannot be rehabilitated!!!!!

Let's hug them and help them molest their OWN inner child. Fucking hell.

you just posted this in the other thread 10 minutes ago, dont you see the difficulty in purporting to be compassionate for some and not for others?

SellyCat said:
Yup. She didn't kill anyone and she was a young human being who most likely could have been helped.

It's the "survival of the fittest; she got what she deserved" attitude that BREEDS these people. People say it helps prevent crime, but this attitude causes violence and crime to proliferate exponentially.

It also makes it easier to be uncaring and self-righteous about life situations that certain people could never imagine being in. And they allow themselves to feel that it's somehow their own talents that got them there, when really it's a million other factors...like where they were born in the US, what color their skin is, how much money their parents had....and so on. So I think it's merely self-deception to say that those people are the same as someone who makes 80K a year because they were able to afford an education and had a safe and relatively upbringing.

It's just a question of humanity and compassion.

im not syaing a person shouldnt get the long arm of the law,
i am questioning why people, especially on TRIBE are more open to question the social and poverty factors in a person who takes a gun and kills a person, yet none of this is entertain for a person who is a child molestor.

dot you think both are functions of a distrubed mind? why is the latter deserving of a black and white decree on their sentence but not a person who actually killed an other?

you see the bigger point im getting at?
 

Vincent Vega

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This is the most frightening part of the judges comments:

["There was no violence, such as gagging, threatening or hitting the child," wrote Judge Lise Cote.]

I'm speechless.
 

AgentSanchez

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SellyCat said:
The legal system tries to drain emotionality out of everything and reduce affairs to their most hyper-rational components. That is absolutely not acceptable in cases involving helpless children.

I disagree...

Yes... hearing this kind of stuff pisses me off. It generates a feeling of rage so primal that most rational people would want to cause great discomfort to this man with a blunt object.

Isn't that kind of the detrimental to the idea of having a system of laws in place? Justice based on how pissed off people are?

At any rate, this is a purely academic argument.... At the end of the day I'm rather certain that I wouldn't shed a tear if this man were gutted like a luau pig.
 

SellyCat

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judge wopner said:
you just posted this in the other thread 10 minutes ago, dont you see the difficulty in purporting to be compassionate for some and not for others?

It's not hypocritical at all! Mugging someone is NOWHERE NEAR is fucked up, sick and traumatic as raping an infant! You cannot apply the same standards of justice. It's absolutely a special circumstance!!! Holy christ.

Furthermore, I do know what you are getting at in terms of the broader picture of justice and all that. But I don't think it applies to crimes like these. Once you do that to a child, YOU DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE AT ANYTHING. That's how it works in my books.
 
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