deafplayer said:I realize this (the following) isn't an academic argument...
these are all pretty famous quotes.... note their agreement with the historical reality (ie they're not "just rhetoric")
[/SIZE][/FONT] "The mosque of al-Khalisa, a Palestinian village of 2,000 inhabitants that was ethnically cleansed by the Palmach on 11 May 1948. Today the mosque stands incongruously in the middle of the northern Jewish town of Kiryat Shemona converted into a public building with a plaque over the door declaring: “This building was renovated in memory of those Israelis who fell in battle to protect Israel’s independence”. (August 2004)"
edit: if thats not the systematic and planned elimination of a group of people...
i dont agree with the idea that defending against charges of genocide amounts to not caring about loss of arab life and/or supporting isreali actions.
you post some good points though these examples can be equally matched against quotes by prominent arab individuals and even groups (never mind entire nations) who say similar things about eliminating jews. and have tried at different points to inflict physical harm on the populace.
the issue is not the level of horror that these types of arguments evoke, but that the charge of genocide is barely been levied against arab states with the same ease its done against isreal.
because isreal is home to survivors and decendants of the holocaust, people seem to mistake the irony of the comparison for the validity of the comparison.
does that make sense, or have i fallen off the semantic cliff?