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Palestinian MIlitants Attack Israeli Position Behind Green Line, Kidnap A Soldier

SellyCat

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The attack happened here, on the Israeli side of the 1967 border. Militants dug a 300ft tunnel from Gaza

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They hit an empty APC and a tank, injuring 5 soldiers inside. 2 Israeli soldiers and 5 militants were killed in the exchange of fire.

A representative of the Hamas 'military wing' said that Israel cannot have information aabout the soldier's health "for free". The Hamas 'political wing' called for the soldier's safety and asked for information from its own organisation. The IDF Cheif of Staff, Dan Halutz, said Hamas is involved "from head to toe" Other groupss have also claimed participation as well: PIJ, PRC and the "Islamic Army," which is either Al Quaeda or some Hezbollah or PRC front. Hamas leaders have gone underground, "fearing for their lives," expecting Israeli retalliation. They plan to trade information on the soldier's condition for concessions, guarantees and direct negotiation for his release. They want to exchange him for Palestinian prisoners. Israel has given the Palestinians 24 hours to release the abducted soldier.

I wonder if the IDF will abduct high-ranking Hamas officials--like the Prime Minister--in exchange for the soldiers. They did this when Hezbollah captured IAF navigator Ron Arad in Lebanon. The Israelis abducted several very high ranking Hezbollah leaders, including Mustafa Dirani, who was released within the last 18 months after spending close to 20 years in Israeli prison.

Israeli armored units entered Gaza in the immediate aftermath of the attack, searching for the soldier. During the preliminary search, they also used bulldozers, backed by tanks, to demolish "Palestinian National Security Positions". This is presumably to weaken the Hamas security aparatus in Gaza, thus strengthening their rivals in the Fatah militias.

The search was called off, and the IDF returned to Israel, but there are surely Special Forces contingents streaming into Gaza.. In fact, just yesterday, Israeli special forces cconducted the first incursion in post-disengagement Gaza to arrest two high-ranking Hamas militants who they said were preparing an imminant attack inside Israel. The raid was completed without firing a single shot.

Assertions that this attack was planned in retalliation for the recent, unfortunate spate of Palestinian civillian deaths in Gaza is logically impossible. It took several MONTHS to dig the 300 meter tunnel into Israel. This attack was planned many mnths in advance.

If Israe's launched a broad military operation in Gaza, the militants will surely kill the soldier. It remains to be seen how the situation will unfold; Hamas may release the soldier through third-party channels and just brag about its coup, or they may hold out for negotiations. The Israeli Prime Minister has already forbidden anyone to negotiate for his release, for obvious reasons. The Defense Minister said that anyone who harms the soldier will be "marked for death." Palestinian "sources" say that the soldier is wounded, but in stable condition.


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Ditto Much

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Officially they were not at peace or in a state of cease fire. It was a military target that was hit. A prisoner of war was taken provided that they follow conventions I see it as a legitimate raid.
 

SellyCat

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Ditto Much said:
Officially they were not at peace or in a state of cease fire. It was a military target that was hit. A prisoner of war was taken provided that they follow conventions I see it as a legitimate raid.

Yup, me too. It's not terrorism if the intended target is a combatant.

I would like to see some Israeli special forces business though, like the arrests they made a day or two ago. Got their mark, no shots fired. That shit is really cool.

It seems as though the militants are tending to the soldier's health. If he dies on their hands, there'll be hell to pay--and there's already hell to pay. Apparantly the Egyptians are involved--for a change--and have been inside Gaza to help locate the captive. That should cut down on the chances of the soldier being taken out of Gaza, into Egypt and on to who-knows-where.
 
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SellyCat

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Ha, check this out:

PRC Spokesperson said:
Our fighters infiltrated the Israeli army military location near so-called Kerem Shalom. They succeeded in blowing up several Israeli vehicles and clashed with Israeli soldiers. The battle is still going on. The number of fighters is bigger than any time. We have some martyrs who fell during the battle.

It was a very complicated and well-studied operation. The details are going to shock the Zionists. There are many surprises that are going to be announced about planning and about the process and about the battle itself. [emphasis added]

IDF Spokesperson said:
They [the militants] divided into three cells. One attacked an armored personnel carrier. The APC was empty. Another group attacked a tank with grenades... causing two deaths and one serious injury. Another two attacked another position with gunfire.

Then they returned to Gaza... We have two dead, three wounded and a soldier that is missing.
 

SellyCat

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It's almost impossible not to notice the implciit bias...how we seem to be concerned for this one person's life, whereas I--for example--support extra-judicial killings of suicide-bombers and their masters.

How much time do we spend worrying about the safety and health of Palestinian prisoners? Well, for one thing, at least we know the IDF has some kind of process that involves lawyers, a tribunal, the Red Cross and so on, but some pretty bad shit goes on there sometimes, when the information is important enough. This soldier wouldn't know jack shit; he's not useful at all.

I think people compare the existence of that military process--however limited--to the chaotic, seemingly senseless beheading and drill-torture pattern in Iraq. It's that kinda stuff that makes me worried for this 19 year-old.
 
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Ditto Much

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Israel rules out prisoner release
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has refused to release any Palestinian prisoners in exchange for information about an abducted Israeli soldier.

He was responding to a demand from three militant groups that women and youths be freed from Israeli jails in return for news on Gilad Shalit.

Those making the demand included the armed wing of governing party Hamas.

Mr Olmert also threatened military action to free the soldier seized in clashes on the Gaza border on Sunday.

Hamas political leaders have denied any knowledge of the tank gunner's whereabouts - but they have called for him to be well treated.

'Time running out'

Mr Olmert has put the army on standby for an extensive military operation against Palestinian militants to free Cpl Shalit and Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles have been assembling on the Gaza border.

"The question of freeing [Palestinian] prisoners is in no way on the Israeli government agenda," Mr Olmert said during a speech in Jerusalem.

"There will be no negotiations, no bargaining, no agreements."

Mr Olmert said that Israel would not allow itself to become the victim of "Hamas-terrorist blackmail", warning that "a large-scale military operation is approaching".

"The time is approaching for a comprehensive, sharp and severe Israeli operation. We will not wait forever," Mr Olmert said.

Cpl Shalit is believed to have been taken captive by militants who tunnelled out of Gaza to attack the army post at Kerem Shalom.

Two Israeli troops and two militants were killed during the raid.

Diplomatic efforts

The faxed statement calling for the prisoners' release was signed by the Popular Resistance Committees umbrella group, Hamas's Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, and the previously unknown Army of Islam.

It said: "The Occupation [Israel] will not get any information about its missing soldier until it commits to the following:

"First, the immediate release of all women in prison. Second, the immediate release of all children in prison younger than 18."

Israel is believed to have incarcerated about 100 women and 300 under-18s among the 9,000 Palestinian prisoners it is holding in its jails.

Intense diplomatic efforts have been under way since the soldier's disappearance, including mediation by an Egyptian delegation in the Gaza Strip.

This was noted by the kidnappers themselves, who said their demands were "in response to various mediation efforts and other intervention".

The statement did not confirm whether the three groups were holding Cpl Shalit captive themselves.

Israeli officials say they hold Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, of Hamas, responsible for the 19-year-old Israeli's safety.

Correspondents say the crisis could spoil efforts to bind Hamas into a plan implicitly recognising Israel, and may expose divisions between hardline and more pragmatic Hamas elements.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/5119402.stm


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(due to the charged nature of the subject I think I'm going to post articles and not personal editorial comments beyond what I have already said.)
 
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Colm

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Am I the only one who sees this situation as strikingly dangerous?

Hamas, it appears, gave up trying to control its more militant members and has supported those who committed the raid - less out of a real lack of control over its factions, I think, than Hamas just doing what Hamas does best.

Israel on the other hand, now have ample 'justification' for launching a large-scale operation against Hamas. I don't imagine many critics of Israel will make too much noise if in fact some sort of military action is taken.

War looms.
 

Ditto Much

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US urges calm over Israeli gunner

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has urged Israel to "give diplomacy a chance" in the standoff over an Israeli soldier held by Palestinian militants.

Israeli tanks and troops are massing on the border of Gaza, where it is thought the soldier is being held.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has warned a large scale military operation is rapidly approaching.

"There really needs to be an effort now to try and calm the situation," Ms Rice told reporters en route to Pakistan.

Stark choices

Mr Olmert has refused to release any Palestinian prisoners in exchange for information about tank gunner Gilad Shalit.

He was responding to a demand by three militant groups that women and youths should be freed from Israeli jails.

Intense diplomatic efforts have been under way since the soldier's disappearance, including mediation by an Egyptian delegation in the Gaza Strip.

The BBC's Jon Leyne, in Jerusalem, says that if mediation efforts fail both Israel and the Palestinians face huge tests.

The Israeli leader must choose between going ahead with military action that would endanger the life of the captured soldier or risk being seen as weak, our correspondent says.

And the Hamas-led Palestinian government must decide whether they are really willing to go into a full-scale confrontation with the Israelis which could have disastrous consequences.

In other developments:

* The Israeli military says it has arrested 43 suspected Palestinian militants in overnight raids across the West Bank

* Egypt has deployed hundreds of riot police along its border with the Gaza Strip to stop any Palestinian attempts to cross illegally in the event of Israeli raids, Reuters news agency reports

* Israeli police says it is taking reports of the kidnapping of a West Bank settler "very seriously" - one of the groups said to be involved in the capture of Gila Shalit has said it abducted the settler

'Time running out'

Mr Olmert has put the army on standby for an extensive military operation against Palestinian militants to free Cpl Shalit and Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles have been assembling on the Gaza border.

"The question of freeing [Palestinian] prisoners is in no way on the Israeli government agenda," Mr Olmert said during a speech in Jerusalem.

"There will be no negotiations, no bargaining, no agreements."

Mr Olmert said that Israel would not allow itself to become the victim of "Hamas-terrorist blackmail", warning that "a large-scale military operation is approaching".

Cpl Shalit is believed to have been seized by militants who tunnelled out of Gaza to attack the army post at Kerem Shalom.

Two Israeli troops and two militants were killed during the raid.

Diplomatic efforts

Hamas political leaders have denied any knowledge of the tank gunner's whereabouts - but they have called for him to be well treated.

The faxed statement calling for the prisoners' release was signed by the Popular Resistance Committees umbrella group, Hamas's Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, and the previously unknown Army of Islam.

It said: "The Occupation [Israel] will not get any information about its missing soldier until it commits to the following:

"First, the immediate release of all women in prison. Second, the immediate release of all children in prison younger than 18."

Israel is believed to have incarcerated about 100 women and 300 under-18s among the 9,000 Palestinian prisoners it is holding in its jails.

Israeli officials say they hold Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, of Hamas, responsible for the 19-year-old Israeli's safety.

Correspondents say the crisis could spoil efforts to bind Hamas into a plan implicitly recognising Israel, and may expose divisions between hardline and more pragmatic Hamas elements.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/5119732.stm



The question of freeing [Palestinian] prisoners is in no way on the Israeli government agenda
Ehud Olmert
Israeli Prime Minister
 

SellyCat

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Israeli Tanks Roll Into Southern Gaza, aim to control all open areas between cities.

By Amos Harel said:
Israel Defense Forces tanks rolled into the southern Gaza Strip near Kerem Shalom before dawn on Wednesday, Palestinian sources said. The IDF intends to gain control of all open areas in the Strip east of the southern town of Rafah.

An Israel Air Force aircraft attacked three bridges in central Gaza on Tuesday night, in an effort to prevent miltants from transporting kidnapped IDF soldier Gilad Shalit within Gaza.

According to information gleaned by the Palestinian Authority, Shalit is being held in the Khan Yunis refugee camp and are trying to prevent his captors from moving him elsewhere, possibly to the Jabalya refugee camp.

Early Wednesday, IAF planes fired at least five missiles at a Gaza City power station, cutting power to much of the area, Palestinian security officials said.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert approved a limited ground incursion in southern Gaza Tuesday night, aimed at the "terrorist infrastructure."

Palestinian security forces said IDF tanks were on the move near the
Israeli village of Nahal Oz, a main Israeli staging area just outside Gaza, but they had not yet entered the territory.

In the Shajaiyeh neighborhood of Gaza City, not far from the border fence, armed militants took up positions. The militants told residents to leave the area.

Some 2,500 Egyptian border guards were deployed in the Rafah area on Monday - the former Philadelphi Route - due to fears that the people who abducted Shalit would try to smuggle him into Egypt, Palestinian sources said.

The sources told Haaretz that according to intelligence information that had reached Egypt, the leaders of Hamas' military wing who are holding Shalit considered smuggling him into the Egyptian part of Rafah through Palestinian tunnels in the area.

The idea is to increase the freedom of movement for the abductors who fear that Palestinians in Gaza might disclose information about his whereabouts.

A senior IDF Military Intelligence officer said Tuesday that the Israel Defense Forces is working on the assumption that the soldier kidnapped in an attack on an IDF position Sunday is being held in southern Gaza.

A member of one of the militant groups that claimed responsibility for Sunday's attack said Tuesday that the abducted soldier is being held in a "secure place."

"The soldier is in a secure place that the Zionists cannot reach," said Mohammed Abdel Al, spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees.

Speaking to the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, the Military Intelligence officer told lawmakers that the soldier sustained light wounds to his stomach and shoulder.

He said that there has been ongoing contact between exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, currently in Damascus, and the Gaza-based Ahmed Jabri, the Hamas military wing leader behind the attack.

The Military Intelligence officer said that the gunmen had tried to infiltrate the watchtower, and an explosion at the time took out the soldiers' electronic surveillance equipment. As a result, he said, the soldiers were unable to identify one of the groups of gunmen carrying out the three-pronged attack.
 
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docta seuss

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i posted this in another thread..

docta seuss said:
Israel launches air strike after talks for release of soldier fail

CBC News


Israeli planes attacked a bridge in northern Gaza late Tuesday following reports that negotiations have failed to secure the release of an Israeli soldier abducted by Palestinian gunmen in the Gaza Strip.

Israeli tanks were also reported to be on the move just outside Gaza but had not yet entered the territory.

Israel has been massing troops and armour around Gaza since Sunday and had been threatening a ground invasion of the Palestinian territory if militants refused to release Cpl. Gilad Shalit.

But officials with the Israeli Defense Force told CBC News that they are operating under the assumption that Shalit is still alive and that the attack on the bridge was to prevent him from being transported out of the Gaza Strip.

Earlier Tuesday, Israeli television Channel Two said that there is "zero chance" that the talks would secure the release of Shalit, increasing the chance of a major Israeli offensive against Gaza.

Israel has already sealed the borders of the long narrow strip that is home to more than one million Palestinians.

Shalit, 19, was abducted Sunday after Palestinian gunmen dug a 600-metre tunnel under the Gaza border and attacked a remote guard post. Two Israeli soldiers were also killed in the attack.

The military wing of the ruling Hamas party — Izzedine al-Qassam — as well as the Popular Resistance Committees and the Army of Islam all claimed responsibility for the attack.

Refused demand

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has refused a demand for the release of about 500 Palestinian women and children detained in Israel in exchange for information about the captured soldier.

Egyptian, Jordanian and French diplomats have been trying to negotiate Shalit's freedom. Shalit also holds French citizenship.
 

SellyCat

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docta seuss said:
...one would think that you'd have to have one heck of a valuable trophy to put a million Palestinians at risk in order to retain it.. but it's just one IDF soldier! what an aburdly awful strategy.

Agreed. Although there are many, many precedents where Israel has released hundreds of prisoners in exchange for just one Israeli...even a dead one. In contrast, when the IDF ambushed a Hezbollah raid this year and killed half-a-dozen or so militants, they returned the bodies to the Lebanese government without asking for anything in return. (Cynical because they're trying to strengthen the Lebanese government relative to Hezbollah, but anyway)

They know they can get a good price for him, except that now Israel is playing "crazy man" and threatening not to care whether he lives or dies as long as they fuck up those organisations but good.

I think the strategy is this: Israel will keep applying more and more pressure on the organisations, their leaders, and their infrastructure until they "squeal," so-to-speak, and hand over the soldier. They run the risk of the militants torturing him on video and putting it up on the internet to make the Israeli public demand an end to the operation. The question, from this perspective, is about what targets the IDF is looking to pursue in order to exert that kind of pressure. (They're gonna be addressing the Qassam problem as well, while they're at it.) This could get very violent, actually seeing as how Gaza is the most deense populated place on earth. The IDF has been loathe to launch a full-scale invasion of Gaza--similar to the 2002 invasion of the West Bank--for precisely that reason.

Sadly, I don't beleive that Corporal Shalit will be returning to Israel alive. The last time the Israelis launched a rescue operation to recover a kidnapped soldier, the guy died along with his captors.
 
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SellyCat

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Hamza said:
beat me to it...


Is there a reset button for the middle east?

:O :O :O :O

THAT. WOULD. BE. AWESOME!






I'm gonna fucking get on that shit, immediately!
*existential crisis resolved!*
 

SellyCat

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Update: 18 year-old settler youth kidnapped in the West Bank. This was suspected for a few days, PRC reps posted a copy of his ID card as proof. 30 IDF vehicles surround building in Ramallah.

Israeli Air strikes in Gaza operation target Hamas training camp and power station, leaving 700,000 without electricity.

PM Ehud Olmert: "We will not balk at extreme action."
 
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~atp~

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lol ... I'm actually at a point where this whole denouement is just amusing to me. Like watching the inevitable consequences of a kid swinging at a hornet's nest with a stick.

Action:

Palestinian militants kills 2 soldiers and holds one soldier hostage.

Reaction:

Israel launches missiles
Israel launches air strikes against bridges and a power station
Around 30 Israeli army jeeps have surrounded a building near the West Bank town of Ramallah
Israel's Public Security Minister, Avi Dichter, told Israeli radio that Hamas leaders based in Syria could be attacked

And of course the temperate Ehud Olmert (as SellyCat already noted):

Ehud Olmert said:
Israel's prime minister has warned of "extreme action" to free a soldier captured by Palestinian militants.

And more troop movements:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/world/middleeast/28mideast.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin said:
Witnesses said Israeli troops had taken over the old Gaza airport and were heading toward Rafah on the road that marks the border between Gaza and Egypt, as Egyptian troops watched.

lol.
 
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deafplayer

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Tensions escalated Wednesday evening as the military fired artillery near Gaza City — the first time Israel has targeted that area during the offensive. There were no reports of injuries or damage, and the army said it was testing artillery units and had not fired at a specific target.

Palestinians dug in behind walls and embankments, preparing for a major strike after Israel sent in troops and tanks and bombarded bridges and a power station. Warplanes fired missiles in northern and southern Gaza.

Residents of northern Gaza, preparing for what they feared could be a long military operation, stocked up on food, candles and batteries for radios as a minister warned of a "humanitarian crisis."

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Israeli tanks and soldiers began taking up positions east of Rafah overnight under cover of tank shells, witnesses and Palestinian security officials said. Captain Jacob Dallal, a military spokesman, said troops moved a mile inside the coastal strip.

Israeli warplanes fired at least nine missiles at Gaza's only power station, cutting electricity to 65 per cent of the Gaza Strip, engineers at the station said. The station's three functioning turbines and a gasoline reservoir were engulfed in flames.

Wasfi Kabha, the Palestinian minister of prisoner affairs, said the Israeli attacks were creating a "humanitarian crisis."

"They hit the bridges, they hit the power station, so there will be a problem in water supply and health services," he told the British Broadcasting Corp.

The Israeli military said in a statement that three bridges were attacked "to impair the ability of the terrorists to transfer the kidnapped soldier." Knocking down the bridges cut Gaza in two, Palestinian security officials said.

Witnesses reported heavy artillery shelling near the long-closed Gaza airport outside of Rafah, just over the border with Israel. Warplanes flew low over the strip, rocking it with sonic booms and shattering windows.

Fighter jets repeatedly fired missiles at open fields in northern and southern Gaza in a show of force, the military said. Two of the missiles hit empty Hamas training camps in the southern Gaza Strip, witnesses said. Separately, Israel attacked a rocket-making factory in southern Gaza.

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Israeli troops, backed by tanks, took over the Gaza airport. Dozens of people living near the airport left their homes, seeking sanctuary in nearby Rafah.

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A group spokesman also warned that the PRC had just begun its campaign to seize soldiers.

"The operation of kidnapping soldiers has started and is in a countdown," Mohammed Abdel Al said.

Israel keeps pressure on Palestinian millitants

IBRAHIM BARZAK
Associated Press
POSTED AT 12:04 PM EDT ON 28/06/06 - GlobeandMail.com

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060628.w2gaza0628/BNStory/International/home
 

Ditto Much

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A group spokesman also warned that the PRC had just begun its campaign to seize soldiers.

"The operation of kidnapping soldiers has started and is in a countdown," Mohammed Abdel Al said.

Alright not to be a negative nancy or anything but are you fucking nuts!!! One soldier captured and Israel has shut down water, electricity, border crossing, the airport, all major bridges and invaded the territory. Capture another and I think they'll start carpet bombing. If capturing the first one causes this level of response from Israel why would you even think of doing it again.
 

Lurker

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Ditto Much said:
Alright not to be a negative nancy or anything but are you fucking nuts!!! One soldier captured and Israel has shut down water, electricity, border crossing, the airport, all major bridges and invaded the territory. Capture another and I think they'll start carpet bombing. If capturing the first one causes this level of response from Israel why would you even think of doing it again.

lol my thoughts exactly
 

Ditto Much

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~atp~ said:


You actually skipped over the first part of the reaction, Israel first demanded the soldier be returned, then they repeated the demand along with the threat of military action, then they moved troupes up to the border and requested the soldier be handed over or they would attack.

Guess the message wasn't clear enough.
 
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