OPIATES

[TraNceAhoLic]

crack gets a threaed so I believe this cheeky fellas deserve one as well

tylenol 1,2,3
vicodin
demoral
percocet
dilaudid
oxycontin
talwin
morphine
heroin
etc,

most available at your local pharmacy!

In all honesty though they are relatively very safe and produce an overwellming sense of euphoria

any fans?

 

[TraNceAhoLic]

<<<<<<< does not use or condone any mind altering substance, legal or otherwise

 

[OTIS]

Choices always were a problem for you,
what you need is someone strong to guide you.

-OTIS

 

[Bumbaclat]

You forgot opium.... geez... are you high on crack?

Bumbaclat

 

[subuser]

I love em!

Although I stay away from them. They are definitely too addictive.

I had a bad experience with percocet once. I was taking them for days, and on the 4th day of my percocet binge, I kept having to remind myself to breathe. NOT FUN!!!
Moderation is the key to enjoying opiates.

<------- has not touched opiates since the July.

 

[kennyboy]

Are you fucking seious? Relatively safe?
Morphine....heroin. Not too addictive now are they.

 

[Sporty Dan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by kennyboy:
Are you fucking seious? Relatively safe?
Morphine....heroin. Not too addictive now are they.</font>

addictive != unsafe

dan.

 

[Tonedeff]

opiates are the safest, least toxic class of drugs (in fact they do absolutely ZERO damage to your brain...they simply bind to opiate receptors)...the dangers with opiates have more to do with impurities in street cuts and the potential for fatal overdose.

but they aren't for everybody...someone who gets fucked up to be "up" or amped will be unimpressed by opiates, although some of them do have their own energizing quality.

and like every other drug they are not evil or instantly addicting of themselves, but people will make them seem so when they introduce them into their already fucked up lives.

 

[BassInMyFace]

Over the counter drugs are the devils work.

Me and some friends ate 25 gravol each once. I saw and spoke to a group of old people at a party we were at. Also sat on a couch trying to count my huge wad of $2 bills. Both of which were complete hallucinations.

Drinking beers that didn't exist...."why do you keep tilting your empty hand up to your mouth?"

Then on the way home my one friend screams to the driver and almost grabbed the wheel cause he thought a lady was lying on the highway.

I don't think Platypus' are indigenous to Canada, but they were that night.

Gravol=bad

 

[t-boy]

^^^
wrd.

and extremely safe on liver and other organs (safe in the sense that they don't damage them - if you OD, your heart will stop, obviously... but if you OD on anything, you can die, so the OD conditions are irrelevant)

 

[Tonedeff]

gravol != opiate != OTC drug

gravol = something rural teenagers get fucked up on when their Moms are out of Easy-off oven spray

 

[t-boy]

the wrd was for tonedeff

bassinmyface, just cuase you're a bumbum and took 25 gravols, doesn't mean ALL OTC drugs are the work of the devil

gravol is safe in the recommended dosage, and so are most other over the counter / prescription drugs (obviously some side effects, and some adverse reactions in small percentage of population)...

if you drink javex and die, does it mean that its the work of the devil too?

anyhoo...

gravol != good and gravol !=bad

its a tool, and your usage is the only thing that can be bad or good.. anyhoo you have a good weekend, and don't do any large doses of gravol, aight dude?

 

[emiwee]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tonedeff:
opiates are the safest, least toxic class of drugs (in fact they do absolutely ZERO damage to your brain...they simply bind to opiate receptors)...the dangers with opiates have more to do with impurities in street cuts and the potential for fatal overdose.

but they aren't for everybody...someone who gets fucked up to be "up" or amped will be unimpressed by opiates, although some of them do have their own energizing quality.

and like every other drug they are not evil or instantly addicting of themselves, but people will make them seem so when they introduce them into their already fucked up lives.</font>

i don't know if any of you have ever met someone addicted to or recovering from opiate addiction, but if you had... you would not be saying that they are safe.

i would have to say that the main problems with opiate use and addiction are the social consequences and the reliance on criminal activity to fuel the habit...

it actually frightens me that you are all so nonchalant with opiate use

emma

 

[Tonedeff]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by emiwee:

i don't know if any of you have ever met someone addicted to or recovering from opiate addiction, but if you had... you would not be saying that they are safe.</font>

the answer to that question is a resounding yes...and I said they were the safest class of drugs FOR YOUR BRAIN AND BODY, I never said they were "safe," because that is a meaningless statement (much like saying opiates are unsafe) because that is completely dependent upon the user in question.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
i would have to say that the main problems with opiate use and addiction are the social consequences and the reliance on criminal activity to fuel the habit...</font>

so opiate addicts are mainly reliant on criminal activity? might I ask you if you know any opiate users who hold down a steady job or have significant others or families? because those people are out there too, they just aren't part of the casualty statistics the media or drug counsellors have access to.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">it actually frightens me that you are all so nonchalant with opiate use</font>

nonchalance is not part of my view on any drug, but being informed is

 

[t-boy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by emiwee:

i don't know if any of you have ever met someone addicted to or recovering from opiate addiction, but if you had... you would not be saying that they are safe.
</font>

Did you not see what he wrote? Addiction and safety of use are two different things. Do a search in medline for toxicity for any prescription opiates, and you will find that the toxicity is pretty much nonexistant.

Toxicity and addiction potential are two different things. Get it?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
i would have to say that the main problems with opiate use and addiction are the social consequences and the reliance on criminal activity to fuel the habit...
</font>

Ok, first off, majority of opiates used (illicit and prescription) are NOT heroin. Also, many heroin users are well off and have high-paying jobs (stock brockers, doctors, etc etc)... People can function just well when on a maintenance dose.

And, in case you didn't think of it, being in possession of a scheduled drug without a license/prescription is a criminal offence. So OF COURSE using drugs relies on a criminal activity, whether they be opiates or weed or whathefuckever.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
it actually frightens me that you are all so nonchalant with opiate use
</font>

He never said he was "nonchalant" or unconcerned. He said the drugs are safe (as in nontoxic), and their addiction potential doesn't equate to necessary addiction.

 

[t-boy]

whoa those posts are nearly identical

 

[Tonedeff]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by t-boy:
whoa those posts are nearly identical</font>

get outta my head t-boy...you're freaking me out

next topic: methamphetamine-induced psychosis

 

[OTIS]

If you want to get your soul to Heaven,
trust in me and don't you judge or question.

-OTIS

 

[emiwee]

i honestly don't have to do a search on MEDLINE to find out about opiate use and addiction... i am working on a project involving illicit opiate addicts (and yes, i do know that heroin is not the only opiate... never once did i say it was the only one)... i work personally with ex- and current opiate users... and i can definitely say that assuming opiates are the "safest" for your brain and body is a meaningless statement... they affect the individual in profound and irreversible ways, physically and mentally...

and by mentioning social consequences i do not mean to imply that all opiate users are criminals and don't have jobs... but if you look at empirical studies, for instance the SMACK study conducted in Toronto, you will find that legitimate employment is the least stated method of income by opiate users... and criminal behaviour is the activity that leads to the greatest amounts of money for regular opiate users

and yes, simply due to legislation, it is illegal to be in possession of illicit opiates or opiates that were not prescribed to you personally... but this is not the only involvement in criminal behaviour...

although some opiate users may hold down jobs and be successful... a regular opiate habit consumes a lot more income than the average person makes... which means that the individual must engage in alternate forms of income generation...

so do not accuse me of not being informed...

emma

 

[emiwee]

i mean... do not accuse me of being UNinformed

 

[OTIS]

You are broken now but faith can heal you,
just do everything I tell you to do.

-OTIS

 

[Rosey]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by emiwee:
i honestly don't have to do a search on MEDLINE to find out about opiate use and addiction... </font>

he said 'do a search on medline to find out about the toxicity'.

but then again, i think you've made it clear that reading comprehension is not your strong point.

 

[sugar]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by emiwee:
although some opiate users may hold down jobs and be successful... a regular opiate habit consumes a lot more income than the average person makes... which means that the individual must engage in alternate forms of income generation...</font>

There is a huge problem with your conclusion: how do you know how many opiate users are out there that just use the stuff with no problems?

Answer: you don't. What you do know about (as part of your work at CAMH [uninformed as they are, they do some good work]) is those opiate users that have problems. Ever heard of BIAS? It's inherent in your field...

What if I told you about the dozen or so people I know that use opiates moderately, and have been doing so for many, many years? Oh, didn't know about them, did you?

 

[emiwee]

i did mention that we dealt with REGULAR opiate users!!!!

and yes, i'm not a bloody idiot... i do know that people use opiates on a moderate basis

all research is biased... it's an inevitability... but you can't constantly bring that up as a reason to discount some conclusions... if that were true... why even bother with any research?? it's all flawed and biased anyhow, so it has no practical application, right?

the SMACK study involved regular opiate users who volunteered to provide information about their lives... these individuals provided the information... the SMACK study just presented it

it is mentioned in just about every study (i don't know about all of them, but let's rely again on the SMACK study) that because of the marginalization of the opiate using population, it is practically impossible to get a true picture of illicit opiate addicts... but we do admit that we cannot know everything about all opiate users... but that's the same remark you can make with regards to opiate users who seem to handle their habit... opiate use is not all harmful and it's not all harmless

emma

 

[Quirkz]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by emiwee:
i honestly don't have to do a search on MEDLINE to find out about opiate use and addiction... &lt;sic&gt;

so do not accuse me of not being informed...

emma</font>

Oh please. When nixon first came to power, the number of addicts multiplied by the amount of money the dea estimated they stole per day, worked out to something like 10 billion per year, at the time orders of magnitude more then all the theft in the country. Any study that draws primarly from street drug users is *obviously* severly flawed. Addictions research seems to have people wiht problems falling all over them so they never seem to notice or want to notice how many functioning people are out there without problems.

Opiate addiction is not as bad as people tend to think. There are two problems with opiates and there addiction. One, if there is little left in your life but drugs then the need for them is all consuming, but on the otherhand, if drugs aren't priority #1, the withdrawal is nothing more then a flu, sometimes a bad annoying flu, but it's no harder to deal with. Two, you can't use them for a period, quit for a period, and start back at square one. There is cumulative tolerance and effects.. But the addiction is mostly physical, it's not hard to get your head around, not like someone on a crack binge.

emma, the truth is, until you actually experience something yourself you will not be able to fully understand it. It is important to keep that in mind. But hey, it's nto that big of deal, take some painkillers every day for a month, see what you are like, see what quitting is like. Until then, you're only guessing.