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omgwtf has North Korea given birth to fusion?

Discussion in 'Politics (deprecated)' started by JamesM, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member


    Radiation detected near N Korea border
    Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:24:38 GMT

    Two days after North Korea announced it had conducted a nuclear fusion test, South Korea said that it detected abnormally high radiation in the air near the two countries' border.

    According to the Korea Institute of Nuclear Safety, located in Geojin, Gangwon Province, a gaseous radioactive matter known as xenon, a by-product of nuclear fusion, was detected, the South Korean Science Ministry announced on Monday.

    The institute said that the level of radiation measured was eight times higher than the normal level after a nuclear test.

    The seismic activity that would have accompanied a test of a nuclear weapon was not detected, but a South Korean expert said he still suspects that the nuclear fusion test may have involved a hydrogen bomb.

    The North claimed on May 12 that its scientists had succeeded in creating a nuclear fusion reaction and called it a "breakthrough toward the development of new energy."

    But experts in the South expressed doubt about the North's claim of a breakthrough, saying that scientists around the world have been experimenting for decades with fusion, but it has yet to be controlled into a viable alternative source of energy.

    A United Nations agency rejected the South's claim, saying that no signs of increased radioactivity were detected last month along the Korean border.


    North Korea claims nuclear fusion breakthrough
    Experts cast doubt on claims that scientists have succeeded in creating a nuclear fusion reaction

    It is the holy grail of clean energy: harnessing nuclear fusion to create unlimited power without also generating greenhouse gases and radioactive waste.

    For decades the dream has eluded the world's scientists, but today, North Korea claimed it had succeeded where many have failed, creating a successful nuclear fusion reaction.

    The official Korean Central News Agency said: "The successful nuclear fusion by our scientists has made a definite breakthrough towards the development of new energy and opened up a new phase in the nation's development of the latest science and technology."

    But the extraordinary assertion, which would put the regime well ahead of its nuclear rivals in the west, was dismissed by scientists in South Korea.

    "Nuclear fusion reaction is not something that can be done so simply," said Hyeon Park, a physics professor at Postech science and technology university.

    He said he believed North Korea had merely produced plasma, a preliminary step on the way to nuclear fusion.

    The KCNA said scientists had "solved a great many scientific and technological problems entirely by their own efforts … thus succeeding in nuclear fusion reaction at last." Rodong Sinmun newspaper said the "ingeniously" developed technology "represents a field of the latest science and technology for the development of new energy desired by humankind". The announcement came on the Day of the Sun, a holiday to mark the birthday of North Korea's founder, Kim Il-sung, who died in 1994. If true, the claim would represent a scientific breakthrough – one all the more remarkable for taking place in one of the world's poorest countries, which struggles to generate enough electricity for lighting and other basic needs.

    Kune Y Suh, a nuclear expert at Seoul National University, poured scorn on the claim, saying: "Maybe if two suns show up in the sky tomorrow, then people could believe the claim."

    A South Korean official said the North could not afford the facilities necessary to create nuclear fusion. "It is not easy to make such facilities secretly."

    Unlike fission, nuclear fusion produces little waste, but scientists in other countries have so far been unable to turn it into a viable energy alternative.

    North Korea's nuclear ambitions continue to generate concern: Pyongyang has tested two nuclear bombs, the most recent a year ago, and has vowed to build a light water nuclear fission plant.

    The communist country has come under pressure to return to nuclear talks following UN sanctions that have added to its economic problems.

    In its report the KCNA said: "In this course, Korean-style thermonuclear reaction devices were designed and manufactured, basic researches into nuclear fusion reaction completed and strong scientific and technological forces built to perfect thermonuclear technology by their own efforts." It pointed to "a definite breakthrough toward the development of new energy", adding that it had demonstrated the country's "rapidly developing cutting-edge science and technology".
  2. acheron

    acheron TRIBE Member

    heheheh wouldn't it be just so perfect if North Korea actually pulled off something like this? The whole rest of the world can suck a tit when NK's got unlimited energy.
  3. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

  4. derek

    derek TRIBE Member

    the good news is we could buy for the price of michael jordan, lebron james, and madonna. throw in some james dean & elvis arftifacts for good measure.
  5. Dialog

    Dialog TRIBE Member

    See, I'd kinda like to think this would be the point where the entire world's leaders would look at each other, shrug, decide the time was right and finally there was something worth unilaterally moving in and removing Kim Jong-Il over. Take that shit and share it around, bring a pair of Air Jordans for every North Korean citizen.

    I know, just a fantasy. Especially the 'share' part
  6. toney

    toney TRIBE Member

    I wonder if any totalitarian regime has ever used or would ever use propaganda?
  7. coleridge

    coleridge TRIBE Member

    On a related note. The travel show Departures just visited North Korea this past season.

    It's a really fascinating look at the country. Unlike the very negatively toned Vice Guide to North Korea, Departures instead choose to not point out the propaganda point blank. They keep an upbeat comical tone through the two one hour episodes. They subtly convey the shear lunacy of the country through the brilliant camera work and their upbeat humorous take on everything. "Oh boy! A trip to the water bottle factory! We're going to get to drink so much water today! This is almost as good as that cardboard box factory we visited in Canada!"

    Well worth a watch to get a true feeling of what life is like for the people of North Korea. I came away with a deeper understanding of how messed up the country is but at the same time how much amazing culture they are preserving.
  8. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

    When they allowed their public to watch the Portugal game (They were excited about the 2-1 against Brazil.)

    at any rate. Someone quoted like "seeing it live, is like really being there!"

    interesting commentary.
  9. JamesM

    JamesM TRIBE Member

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  10. atbell

    atbell TRIBE Member

    I just saw "Inglorious Bastards" - talk about some good vigilante anti-propoganda! Found it interesting that Terintino took a 'no sympathy' aproach, not one nazi gets pitty, no humanizing, nothin.


    On a fusion note, my roommate said he'd read about a joint Australian + Danish program which sounded promising. I haven't had a chance to check it out yet.

    Starts to bring up questions like 'what would you do with your fusion?'

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